Who'd be happy with that?
I know I would.
I know I would.
Barthez out, Sorensen in
- Thread starter Roy
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Barthez is here to stay Roy - get behind the shirts!
So just because there's a good possibility he might be staying I shouldn't voice my negative opinion re his performances?
IMHO Barthez gives us no stability, he doesn't seem to have any confidence in the defence and they don't seem to have any confidence in him and the way I see it, he's one of the main reasons for our short-comings this season.
A lot of the goals we conceded this season have been down to poor defending by this or that player but a lot of others were just bad collective defending and lack of condifence in one another and I think Barthez has had a big part in that.
I think he's hard a poor, poor year and I'm not even talking about his blunders. I disagree with those who say he's been good during the 2nd half of the season, he was ok, but hardly at his best, his kicking was awful and he still made quite a few mistakes, only luckily for him, he wasn't punished for them.
I do hope we bring in a couple of defenders this summer but I'm afraid we'll never have a solid, stable defence until we cut him loose.
Just an opinion mate and if Fab is still there when the new season begins, be sure I'll support him and every other player who wears the shirt.
IMHO Barthez gives us no stability, he doesn't seem to have any confidence in the defence and they don't seem to have any confidence in him and the way I see it, he's one of the main reasons for our short-comings this season.
A lot of the goals we conceded this season have been down to poor defending by this or that player but a lot of others were just bad collective defending and lack of condifence in one another and I think Barthez has had a big part in that.
I think he's hard a poor, poor year and I'm not even talking about his blunders. I disagree with those who say he's been good during the 2nd half of the season, he was ok, but hardly at his best, his kicking was awful and he still made quite a few mistakes, only luckily for him, he wasn't punished for them.
I do hope we bring in a couple of defenders this summer but I'm afraid we'll never have a solid, stable defence until we cut him loose.
Just an opinion mate and if Fab is still there when the new season begins, be sure I'll support him and every other player who wears the shirt.
Who plays in the nets for Preston?
Would Bobo get in?
Would Bobo get in?
I'll take my chances with Barthez. If he's concentrated and at his best he's one of the best in the world, which Sorensen simply isn't.
And if Fab screws up, I'll try to forget I'm a United fan for 5 seconds, laugh my life away, remember I'm a United fan again and get depressed.
Always a roller coaster with this club...
And if Fab screws up, I'll try to forget I'm a United fan for 5 seconds, laugh my life away, remember I'm a United fan again and get depressed.
Always a roller coaster with this club...
Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>I'll take my chances with Barthez. If he's concentrated and at his best he's one of the best in the world, which Sorensen simply isn't.
And if Fab screws up, I'll try to forget I'm a United fan for 5 seconds, laugh my life away, remember I'm a United fan again and get depressed.
Always a roller coaster with this club...
Of course Sørensen is! He's pure class IMO. If Barthez should leave (which I do not hope), I think Sørensen is the right man for us. He's tall, has great vision and is used to the Premiership...
Go Barthez, go
Spot on Roy, for once
I agree with Roy. Just watched the Deportivo match at OT (the first one) yesterday again. - Though I'd prefer Rustu.
- Though I'd prefer Rustu.Originally posted by Norwegian Red:
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Are U comparing Sørensen with Bozzie ??? Well well, what should I say?
Say 'Barthez is here to stay' so I don't see logical people bother talking about things that aren't gonna happen.
Originally posted by Amir:
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Say 'Barthez is here to stay' so I don't see logical people bother talking about things that aren't gonna happen.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So, if U read my post, U'd see that I didn't think Barthez will leave, right? I thought things like this was meant for the forum? But we can just stop posting opinions here ok?
Originally posted by Norwegian Red:
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But we can just stop posting opinions here ok?
Good idea.
Originally posted by Norwegian Red:
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U're word is the law master. Hereafter I'll never give out my opinion here....(and hopefully noone else will do?) Is that ok for U?
Yeah I suppose.
Can you do my laundry too?
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Though I'd prefer Rustu.</strong><hr></blockquote>
same here <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
Elfie?
I bet France are happy they had Barthez in goal in the 92nd minute today
Originally posted by Amir:
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Yeah I suppose.
Can you do my laundry too?
Nope... I hate stinky.......Socks....
Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>So just because there's a good possibility he might be staying I shouldn't voice my negative opinion re his performances?
IMHO Barthez gives us no stability, he doesn't seem to have any confidence in the defence and they don't seem to have any confidence in him and the way I see it, he's one of the main reasons for our short-comings this season.
A lot of the goals we conceded this season have been down to poor defending by this or that player but a lot of others were just bad collective defending and lack of condifence in one another and I think Barthez has had a big part in that.
I think he's hard a poor, poor year and I'm not even talking about his blunders. I disagree with those who say he's been good during the 2nd half of the season, he was ok, but hardly at his best, his kicking was awful and he still made quite a few mistakes, only luckily for him, he wasn't punished for them.
I do hope we bring in a couple of defenders this summer but I'm afraid we'll never have a solid, stable defence until we cut him loose.
Just an opinion mate and if Fab is still there when the new season begins, be sure I'll support him and every other player who wears the shirt.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We'll never have a solid defence with him ??? How can you say that, although he was exellent during his first year.
OK, he did make some bad mistakes, but Fab wasn't himself last autumn. First, he had personal problems (including the illness of his mother he has often visited in France). His ability was not in cause, as he could be fantastic and awful during one game.
Anyway, I still think that as long we'll play with only one defensive midfielder, the defence will struggle. Too simple to blame the defence and the keeper when Arsenal has 17 shots on goal, and us only 3 !
I've read a report about the best keeper of all times, the only one to get the ballon d'or. He played three world cups, but the second was a nightmare, when he made several blunders. 4 years after, he had come back at his best level and was incredible.
To say a defence can only be unsetteled with him is stupid, because he has 10 years behind him, has often been excellent and it was the first time he made so many mistakes.
I maintain he has been very good in some games during the second part of the season, particularly in Europe .
Originally posted by Amir:
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Say 'Barthez is here to stay' so I don't see logical people bother talking about things that aren't gonna happen.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly. Thanks Amir
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>I bet France are happy they had Barthez in goal in the 92nd minute today
And yes we are !
Fab is staying,lets see where we are at the end of the oncoming season.
I have to agree with Roy...Barthez is full of blunders when he doesn;t concentrate...a lot of the time nowadays.. he almost gifted Uruguay a goal today..and although he is a class keeper, he does not seem to be enjoying himself at Utd. esp. after the Deportivo game. We'd be better off with Sorensen or some other keeper like Rustu Recber. What about Frey of Parma?
Originally posted by cd:
<strong>I have to agree with Roy...Barthez is full of blunders when he doesn;t concentrate...a lot of the time nowadays.. he almost gifted Uruguay a goal today..and although he is a class keeper, he does not seem to be enjoying himself at Utd. esp. after the Deportivo game. We'd be better off with Sorensen or some other keeper like Rustu Recber. What about Frey of Parma?</strong><hr></blockquote>
HAHA ! At the moment I read your message, I hear journalists saying that Fab was our best player today on the pitch.
feck off, Fergie has said he will stay.
Who lied to you Barthez is not happy at OT?
Uraguay could have had 5 goals had it not benn for Barthez. Thuram is a rap centerback imo!
Uraguay could have had 5 goals had it not benn for Barthez. Thuram is a rap centerback imo!
I admit that I haven't seen Sorensen too many times for Sunderland but I follow the match reports in the serious media - and what I've read tells me that he's done very well for an exceedingly poor Black Cats side.
What I know from my own experience, however, is that he's been fantastic for Denmark in all of his 16 games so far. And that Schmeichel and anybody else who's worked with him rate him as a world class talent with a fantastic attitude.
I feel that we'll have to sell Barthez now if we want to get anything for him. And if we want to build a defence for the future it seems to me that a young but already experienced keeper such as Sorensen presents an excellent opportunity.
What I know from my own experience, however, is that he's been fantastic for Denmark in all of his 16 games so far. And that Schmeichel and anybody else who's worked with him rate him as a world class talent with a fantastic attitude.
I feel that we'll have to sell Barthez now if we want to get anything for him. And if we want to build a defence for the future it seems to me that a young but already experienced keeper such as Sorensen presents an excellent opportunity.
Originally posted by Elfie:
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HAHA ! At the moment I read your message, I hear journalists saying that Fab was our best player today on the pitch.
feck off, Fergie has said he will stay.
Well, he did come rushing of his line and proceeded to run halfway down the pitch
Must agree.
IMO Barthez
1)Is too short(susceptible to shots in top corners)
2)Makes too many unnecessary errors
3)Does not command his defence or the penalty area.
We cannot have a consistant defence when we have an inconsistant keeper.
IMO Barthez
1)Is too short(susceptible to shots in top corners)
2)Makes too many unnecessary errors
3)Does not command his defence or the penalty area.
We cannot have a consistant defence when we have an inconsistant keeper.
Originally posted by Lawman:
<strong>Must agree.
IMO Barthez
1)Is too short(susceptible to shots in top corners)
2)Makes too many unnecessary errors
3)Does not command his defence or the penalty area.
We cannot have a consistant defence when we have an inconsistant keeper.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Mexican keeper is 10 cm shorter than Fab, and he's good. Barthez is a good jumper anyway.
Originally posted by Elfie:
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The Mexican keeper is 10 cm shorter than Fab, and he's good. Barthez is a good jumper anyway.
When Hedman conceded the goal to Nigeria a very smart commentator said 'It isn't the height that matters, it's what you have in your feet'.
Height, bla, bla, bla. The only question is how high can Barthez get. It's quite high...
I still think that Roy's right!
Thomas S is Ace. And he'll improve.
Thomas S is Ace. And he'll improve.
Originally posted by cd:
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You don't know how those keepers would behave behind the United defence. Barcelona and Manchester United are difficult clubs for keepers, because there is a lot of pression and the team plays an attacking style. After the game, the Uruguyan coach and players were admirative and said that Fab had made saves that no other keeper would have made.
He's not crazy when he runs out of his surface, he does that to cut the actions. He's not passive, he anticipates. When he cuts an action, nobody notices. Obviously, when he makes an error , everyone notices. The defence is not forced to make up his mistakes, it's him who's trying to make up errors made by his defence. This is what people can't understand.
In this game, an average keeper would have conceded 3 goals, and probably nobody would have said anything.
Even if this mistake had led to a goal, I don't think people in France would have hated him.The problem was we couldn't score any goals. In France he's one of the most rated French players.
After this game he had full pages in the press praising him and he got the best notes. I can't believe some criticize him after the game he has made.
barthez is still world class;let`s just bring in some serious competition for his place,Recber for instance just to keep him on his toes,just like during his first season at OT....
Originally posted by rosky1965:
<strong>barthez is still world class;let`s just bring in some serious competition for his place,Recber for instance just to keep him on his toes,just like during his first season at OT....
I'd prefer Sorensen to Rustu. Rustu was a bit shaky against Costa Rica. Sorensen has been solid as a rock every time I've seen him play.