Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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You lot are weird.
Only 30% capacity allowed right now in Spain
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Ok thanks for the information!
You only quoted the line that says Messi was responsible for 90% of sales? That’s bound to get replies?
You only quoted the line that says Messi was responsible for 90% of sales? That’s bound to get replies?
oh for sure but while the 90% is an exaggeration they touch upon barca losing 137M as soon as he left and sponsorships panicking and wanting to restructure their deals with Barca.
also
“The party is over for the moment,” explains Charles Hamilton, who runs a company specialising in hospitality at major football clubs across Europe. “COVID-19 and Messi leaving is a disaster for us. Let’s see how the season develops but it’s not looking too good… and yet we sold out of our allocation for PSG for the entire season within five days of Messi moving there.”
“The professional kit worn by the players is over there,” explains a helpful assistant. “They’re €145 with no names or numbers on the back,” he adds, pointing to an official shirt without an embroidered badge. Behind, there’s a wall of shirts with names pre-printed. “Memphis, Memphis, Memphis, F De Jong, F De Jong”, they read.
“De Jong and Griezmann are the best sellers,” he says. “And Messi, until two weeks ago — 70 to 80 per cent of the shirts we sold had Messi’s name on the back…”
Becks certainly looks a lot bigger in those underwear shots.
Nothing against Messi but it’s either 90% or it’s not. It’s not?
And everyone knows the impact COVID has had (whether Messi stayed or not).
And the shirt sales point AGAIN? How many times is that going to be brought up and have to be put right?
I thought The Athletic were meant to be the dogs bollocks for modern writing but Barca would have lost a shedload regardless just from COVID and sponsors (also hit by COVID) renegotiating. How hard is it to say Barca have made a pigs ear of it and COVID and losing Messi has exacerbated it?
that is absolutely a fair assessment. And I really think the true numbers won’t be revealed till down the line as things open back up again. Spain is only allowing 30% stadium capacity anyway
Best summation of this entire forum website.
Should be the banner tagline for the site.
Finally someone looking at the important stuff.
It is literally the argument that is being had in this thread.
Loads of people who think that Beckham's fame in the 90 and 00s is as pristine today.
Beckham was staggeringly famous globally during his heyday, which means that all the people who lived through that time know him very well. It doesn't mean youngsters are going to know him, but there's a lot more older people around than there are youngsters. Beckham is going to be the guy who is instantly recognizable to multiple generations of families. I'd bet you could show a picture of Messi to most people's parents/grandparents and they wouldn't have the first clue who he was. As @elmo pointed out above, Messi the brand was a massively wasted opportunity in terms of catapulting him outside of just football awareness. Ronaldo did a much better job of selling himself.
You do realize that the entire world doesn't revolve around the UK right?
Beckham did sell his brand far better than Messi that's for sure but go to south America or Asia, I'm pretty sure young and middle age generations know Messi far more than Beckham, even outside of the football world.
Middle age generations? As in forty and fifty year olds. The same people who were twenty and thirty when Beckham was in his prime? Those are exactly the people who know Beckham as an icon.
Unless middle aged to you is people in their twenties?
I mean it’s not as if the EPL has, by far, the biggest reach and most watched league in world football?
Obviously you'll have some geographical and language considerations in there, but the main point is that Beckham stopped being just a guy who was appearing in the media as 'famous footballer' and reached the level of being a celebrity in his own right. Ronaldo has headed towards that direction (although still not there yet) but Messi as far as I'm aware just isn't close. As for young generation I'm sure you're right, but middle aged? Nah.
No one who actually even remotely cares about football thinks Beckham is bigger than Messi. Anyone who thinks that, doesn't know football and is irrelevant.
Besides, Becks is a western phenomena, ever been to south american or asia? Messi rules all.
Yep, Beckham is a nobody in Asia.
You've clearly never been to Asia if you think Messi is more popular than Beckham here.
Let's see how popular Messi is 10 years after he retires.
I must admit, Im getting confused with the argument. Is it that Messi is a bigger football brand than Beckham is now? Or is it that Messi is a bigger brand than Beckham ever was? Two very different arguments.
Clearly Messi is a bigger football brand right now... He is still playing and arguably the goat. Beckhams been retired for ages so not a fair comparison. But in the big scheme of things, Beckham was a bigger brand at his peak (married a Spice Girl, couldnt take a dump without the paparazzi taking photos etc) than Messi is now. Beckham also has longevity in his brand, that Im not sure Messi will have a decade or so after he retires. He just doesnt strike me as the guy who keep pumping his brand they way Beckham still does almost 10 years after he retired.
Clearly Messi is a bigger football brand right now... He is still playing and arguably the goat. Beckhams been retired for ages so not a fair comparison. But in the big scheme of things, Beckham was a bigger brand at his peak (married a Spice Girl, couldnt take a dump without the paparazzi taking photos etc) than Messi is now. Beckham also has longevity in his brand, that Im not sure Messi will have a decade or so after he retires. He just doesnt strike me as the guy who keep pumping his brand they way Beckham still does almost 10 years after he retired.
You speak in such certainty yet display such ignorance.
Beckham is still one of the most famous people in history. Not just sport. He is huge. Everywhere. To call him a western phenomena is hilarious, you need to get out more.
Maybe he thinks most people in Asia don't care about football? Bizarre post
Even for a United forum that is a bit much.
Even for a United forum that is a bit much.
Aye maybe if you take it too literally, which on this place of course it will be, as you've proven. But it's bizarre how well known he is. Obviously "history" might be a bit much. But in terms of famous people of the modern era, he's ridiculously well known.
This is frankly ridiculous.... Strangers arguing on the Internet for pages and pages about comparative level of fame between to millionaires (two millionaires who don't give a shit about your existence).
Get a grip.
Get a grip.
God, how tiresome that this gets turned into a pissing contest.
The point that is made is that Messi today is more famous than Beckham today. Who do you think takes home the most money in advertising and so forth?
Beckham today is famous for once being famous.
Wow some people really don't like being disagreed with do they?
They would have renamed instagram to his name. Nobody argues that Messi is better player but looking at popularity Beckham was megastar in every way.
Anyone who thinks Becks have anything on Messi in footballing terms, is a nobody and irrelevant. I get this is a united forum, but comparing the two is like comparing a F1 car to Ford Pinto.
Becks used to be big in Asia up until 10 years ago. Messi has far surpassed him here now.
PS: I live in Asia.
Good thing they're not compared on football terms, then.
Is Messi vs. Beckham the new Messi vs. Ronaldo?
Btw, both are tiresome and annoying
Btw, both are tiresome and annoying
You’re confusing popular with famous
Were the sponsors unaware that Messi is 34 years old and has little time left as a starter for a top club?
I get your point but in purely pragmatic terms in inch-perfect long crosses specifically I’d say they were as good.
they are aware he is still the best player in the word, the next ballon d’or winner and still had a minimum of two years at the top level.