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Describe to me how you are feeling about all thisBarcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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Describe to me how you are feeling about all thisBarcelona run their club like 13 year old Pexbo ran his clubs on Championship Manager 01/02.
Financial poetry in motionMy bro
I think that's the way football supporters of the future are headed, usually you fall for the player then marry their club.
I did with Beckham but I never left United for Madrid when he did.
That hardly seems like the oracle of truth. Just look at the numbers, every year since 2015 Griezmann's reported earnings are different. Was he signing a new contract every year?
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Erm ok...
Loving the meltdown enjoying the drama — hope you are too. This would make an awesome documentary on Netflix.My bro
I loved Becks back in the days as a youth but my team was always United. I remember some of the younger lads suggesting they would start following Madrid when he left but after a bit of shit they quickly changed their mind.
I think it ultimately depends on peer pressure. As long as the majority think it’s not okay it won’t become the norm
I was a year younger than you then but I’m sure we both still ran our respective clubs considerably better than this shit show.
Edit: I’m still a year younger than you now…
I really am too. A few weeks I was arguing with a Barca "fan" telling him that Messi not being registered yet was a proof of the financial struggles of his club. The guy was very deluded, impossible to talk to nor to reason with.
I wonder what he feels now
Yeah you were saying I think. I think it’s time you hit him up and and gloat.I really am too. A few weeks I was arguing with a Barca "fan" telling him that Messi not being registered yet was a proof of the financial struggles of his club. The guy was very deluded, impossible to talk to nor to reason with.
I wonder what he feels now
mismanagement absolutely. Catastrophically bad. But Neymar had a release clause which was activated, so nothing Barca could do about that. They then went and melted down with all their panic, pride and ego signings. And now we are seeing the extent of the financial catastrophe, moving on Suarez, who was making something like 800k a week, was probably financial necessity. The beginning of the implosion.
imagine thinking you were gonna team up with Messi and ending up with Memphis
We could help them out by signing Frenkie or Pedri.
You imply this is about Messi, which isn’t my point. My point is that La Liga is being marketed terribly in terms of selling it to broadcasters who minimise engagement.
If Bartomeu was still there I don't doubt that he would have done something alongside those lines. Laporta though? No chance of that.
Yeah... forgot about that. Barça actually tried to sign Neymar again in 2019 I guess but for some reason it didn't work out
The amount of managerial changes after Pep didn't help. Martino lasted just one season.
When Enrique decided to leave, Barça made a somewhat weird decision to appoint Ernesto. And not sure what their idea was with Koeman.
Ideally, Enrique was the perfect manager for years to come I think. When he left, they didn't go after someone more like him.
Barca really do come across like a 13 year old whose parents have never said no before.
The first bolded bit. The other clubs wanted the rules to be abided by? Boo hoo.
The second bolded bit. Messis wages knock 25% of their wage bill!!
More than a club.
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"The first offer was two years of salary to be paid in five," Laporta said. "When we thought that would be allowed in FFP, the criteria of cash came into play.
"It's not allowed here, while it is in other countries. La Liga had its pressures because other clubs want the regulations and rules to be abided by.
"Then we agreed a five-year contract. We thought that would be allowed by FFP regulations, and I had insinuated in a convincing way this would be allowed, but after a technical analysis by the La Liga commission, we found out it wouldn't be valid within those regulations."
Messi's exit has taken Barcelona's wage bill down from 110% of their income to 95%.
The first bolded bit. The other clubs wanted the rules to be abided by? Boo hoo.
The second bolded bit. Messis wages knock 25% of their wage bill!!
More than a club.
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"The first offer was two years of salary to be paid in five," Laporta said. "When we thought that would be allowed in FFP, the criteria of cash came into play.
"It's not allowed here, while it is in other countries. La Liga had its pressures because other clubs want the regulations and rules to be abided by.
"Then we agreed a five-year contract. We thought that would be allowed by FFP regulations, and I had insinuated in a convincing way this would be allowed, but after a technical analysis by the La Liga commission, we found out it wouldn't be valid within those regulations."
Messi's exit has taken Barcelona's wage bill down from 110% of their income to 95%.
Ah right, I missed your point, my bad.
15% not 25%, big difference
haha well played
Excellent point. I’d add to that Madrid’s three in a row CL’s. It drove the Barsa board mad. There were interviews with some of them where they literally asked out loud how they were allowing this to happen when they had the greatest player ever in their team. And then they went out on a spending and wage spree.
Is there a ELI5 guide on how such big organizations can run losses after losses, yet still in business without any lenders chasing them?
I mean as small business, losses have huge bearings, and banks don't give any leverage. It's completely unsustainable for small business while big business have it easy?
I mean as small business, losses have huge bearings, and banks don't give any leverage. It's completely unsustainable for small business while big business have it easy?
Yeah no worries!
Question.
Presumably Barca didn't fail La Liga FFP rules previously so what tipped them over?
Covid drop income, new players, both, something else?
What were they (income : wages) pre Covid?
Just the fact that their talisman, Messi, pre-season with a packed Camp Nou, had to almost promise the fans they would win CL that season(he played out of his mind that season tbf) was telling.
I doubt very much that would have happened if RM didnt do the 3-peat.
If there's ever a time to slide in De Jong's Dms...
I think it was COVID to be honest. They claim they lost 487 million last year alone after doing a full audit so that may have been the needle that broke the camel’s back.
Laporta is more sensible than Barto but this will take some time to clean up
Lenders can absorb defaults by small businesses. If a large enterprise looks like failing a lender faces more impact so they tend to support that client in the hope things get turned around and they can get all of their loans back instead of pennies on the dollar.
I think he actually supported Argentina at national level also... due to TevezSo who does he support when Brazil played Argentina?
Damn, how are they going so public about this? This is so strange.
And who is this executive and who does he talk with?
Wasn't that the one where you did a transfer and hit the back button and got all your money back plus player
Because, frankly, the Spanish (and Italian) governments don't go after them for tax in the same way that the UK Government, the French or German Government does their clubs. Ergo, players are excused huge portions of their wages (see Ronaldo at Juventus) and clubs basically do whatever they want.
The issue now? There's a pandemic on. Those governments need the money, and they simply don't care/can't afford to grant the same amount of leeway that they have in the past.
I guess he means Florentino(the superleague instead the deal with CVC)
if you owe the bank £10k and you can’t pay then that is a big problem for you.
If you owe the bank £1bn and can’t pay then that is a big problem for the bank.
Pretty much what they said about Ireland during the financial crisis.
Exactly. Talks a lot with who? WHO FFS? Or with what?
With the press? With his foot in his mouth?
Can't believe the La Liga president would leave me cliff hanging in a tweet like that.
Ornstein and Chapman need to do a podcast just explaining this Barcelona situation. Heck, this might be worth a 10 part Netflix docuseries on how they went from winning the champions league 5 years ago to basically having a yard sale in front of camp nou.