Messi is believed to be on €2m per week. Grizmann on over ,€700k
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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Bartomeu might still go to jail over the whole anti-own-player-pr-campaign that was payed for with club money but probably not for the financial disaster he plumeted Barca into.
then you’d be wrong. He took a paycut to join Barca, he made 791,000 a season at Atletico:
https://salarysport.com/football/player/antoine-griezmann/
Doesn't Barca have this thing where owners are personally liable for bad financial results?
Still think Messi will stay somehow. I think La Liga will soften their stance.
Messi would completely lose all credibility if he stayed again.
So what’s their attack next season? Old man Aguero, Memphis and Griezemann? With Dembele playing 8 games a season before another injury
Not really sure but I'm sometimes a bit confused why Barcas board didn't stop him from taking such massive financial risks. Surely the financial oversight shouldn't just be one person's responsibility?
Right, the old "player x took a paycut to join my club" fairytale.
A familiar PR trope to trigger fans who like to think their club is somehow spiritually or karmically superior, and so players don't play for it because of money but because they're so attracted by it.
Works especially well with Barca fans, but also has been gladly employed by my own club in the past, and recently by Man United (I also laughed at @TheReligion for propagating it..)
Players always take paycuts to join Barca, and then somehow you end up in violation of league regulation as your wage bill has exceeded revenue and is the highest in the world by far
And Messi loves Barca so much, yet you paid him 5-10 times the salary other clubs pay their top players..
No, Griezmann did NOT take a paycut when joining you. That doesn't happen. The notion is completely laughable.
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Mate, if he took a paycut it doesn't really matter at this point. Barca are giving him something like €800-€880k a week gross. That is simply insane and why they're in so much trouble as they did the classic huberistic rich man thing of believing their own hype and not putting any contingencies in place in case of unforeseen events. As a result, Covid has absolutely crippled the club.
There are Barca fans on here saying that the club will make the money back but it is just not realistic. For Barca to be self sufficient (this is to meet their debt and contract obligations) last year they needed to meet their projected income of €1bn, instead they have reportedly hit approx €660m. That is a shortfall of €440m, in one year. To make this back, they then need to make €1.44bn+ to make up for the shortfall and that is if they have had interest relief.
After this you come to the fact that this €1bn figure was projected to go up year by year, so next season they need to hit €1bn+whatever % they projected. That isn't going to happen, especially if all the rumours that Messi actually gave them a profit with the commercial revenue he brought in are true. Therefore, if Barca make €900m (another unrealistic figure) next year they'll have to add another €100m to their debt pile to keep the lights on.
Banging on about Greizmann taking a paycut is just a moot point. As whilst he may have done, by giving him that contract and signing him for such a fee Barca brought a €300m+ asset that has no real world value as he cannot be sold as no one else is insane enough to pay those wage let alone the amortisation of his fee (which is also rumoured to have been paid for with a loan, which means there is interest on top of that.)
At this point Barca really need to start getting realistic. They need to start facing up to the fact that they need to start bringing in some real income which will require either selling equity to private investors/a individual or sell their crown jewels. Going on about a paycut for a guy who is still on €800k+ a week with Barca's issues is just ridiculous.
1. No chance Atletico paid Griezmann north of 45 million euros per year. No chance at all.
2. Barca could have decided to NOT pay crazy wages and get a different player.
Right, the old "player x took a paycut to join my club" fairytale.
A familiar PR trope to trigger fans who like to think their club is somehow spiritually or karmically superior, and so players don't play for it because of money but because they're so attracted by it.
Works especially well with Barca fans, but also has been gladly employed by my own club in the past, and recently by Man United (I also laughed at @TheReligion for propagating it..)
Players always take paycuts to join Barca, and then somehow you end up in violation of league regulation as your wage bill has exceeded revenue and is the highest in the world by far
And Messi loves Barca so much, yet you paid him 5-10 times the salary other clubs pay their top players..
No, Griezmann did NOT take a paycut when joining you. That doesn't happen. The notion is completely laughable.
I'm not sure what you're on about here if I'm honest. To take a paycut you have to actually be already on said wage?
Varane was allegedly offered a bigger financial package to stay at Real but he'd already decided to go to United. That's not taking a paycut.
'took a paycut'/'could have earned more somewhere else', it's the same line.
I've heard it many times out of Rummenigge's and Hoeness' mouth too and I liked to think it's true, so don't think I'm trying to just point a finger.
Point is, there is no way a player like Griezmann, in his prime, moves to a bigger club in a high profile transfer while taking a paycut. And there's no way Varane in his prime is moving away from Real for a lesser offer. It just doesn't work like that.
That doesn't mean he's only coming for the money, I'm sure he isn't, but best believe he is getting that money.
I tagged you not to reignite the argument (this above is my point of view) but to use the opportunity to explain my laughter which you took as rude.
I don't see how La Liga would consider on making exception on Messi though. One, the other 19 clubs would veto it. Second, it would set a bad precedent going forward.
La Liga itself would be fine as a product. They may not have Messi anymore but it's still a fantastic league with good players
La Liga itself would be fine as a product. They may not have Messi anymore but it's still a fantastic league with good players
It's not the same line though. You can't take a pay cut if you never had the pay in the first place. They are different things. Varane is being paid more than he was currently getting at Real. Alot more. He's got a pay rise. It's alleged he could have got more if he'd stayed at Real. That's not a pay cut as he never had it in the first place.
Barcelona sinking into obscurity is delightful. I initially said it’ll take about 5 years to recover but now it’s probably going to be a decade. Messi gone, a lot of unhappy players, a dysfunctional board and that massive debt
Good. Horrible team, never liked them.
Can Barcelona fans be hopeful that Aguero will somehow manage to be peak Aguero again ? He isn't young but he also isn't old for football. Maybe he has one last great season in him.
Wijnaldum made the smart move going to PSG instead of Barcelona.
As a b-side, how insufferable is crisp salesman lineker whenever he gets the opportunity to talk about messi? Love the idea of him covering la Liga whilst messi earns £4m a week at PSG.
I think there's still something to come up, this statement must be an attempt to hold la Liga ransom and I wish the other clubs tell them to do one.
I just hope that the "Messi is soooo important for every club in the league" is just a meme distributed everywhere by Barca stans right now and not something the management in too many la Liga clubs actually believe. It certainly wasn't a topic when Ronaldo left (yes, Messi is greater than Ronaldo but their marketability is fairly similar) and even if it would hurt, you're just pushing a dilemma down a few years. When Messi decides to retire in 3 years they'd be just in the same spot regarding this apparent financial hit everyone would take.
I just hope that the "Messi is soooo important for every club in the league" is just a meme distributed everywhere by Barca stans right now and not something the management in too many la Liga clubs actually believe. It certainly wasn't a topic when Ronaldo left (yes, Messi is greater than Ronaldo but their marketability is fairly similar) and even if it would hurt, you're just pushing a dilemma down a few years. When Messi decides to retire in 3 years they'd be just in the same spot regarding this apparent financial hit everyone would take.
I pick "not" too
Not sure what hill you’re trying to die on friend but Griezmann was ALWAYS a terrible contract. People were just asking which club would be insane to pay him that much but he was already making just as much before. We have a ton of abomination of contracts Griezmann included
To me, Messi is the GOAT but Maradona is top 3. Cruyff has no business in this conversation, lets be real.
Replacing Elder Messi with Memphis is up there with replacing Prime Ronaldo with Obertan.
Frenkie and Pedri need to look at the way the waves are turning and jump ship to us before they sink.
Frenkie and Pedri need to look at the way the waves are turning and jump ship to us before they sink.
Wait why were Atletico paying him so much? I thought La Liga clubs were supposed to be skint? No one in England earns that much I don't think.
Atletico have had a huge influx of money this last decade. Simeone is the highest paid manager in the world for example.
I mean, would love to see that but you're taking a piss if you think that's what's going to happen to Barcelona.
Barca announcing Messi is leaving is their bluff to La Liga.
You think think they're going to finish 7th in Spain and spend I don't know how many years without challenging for the league?
Bsrca have a different ownership structure. They are owned by club members rather than some billionaire.
why not? Cruijff was much more successful at Barca than Maradona. Plus it was Cruijff who laid the foundation for the success of Barca from the academy to the first team.
No one sane thinks Cruyff is in the conversation for GOAT. With due respect, I don't think you understand what GOAT means if you think he is. Trophy count alone or coaching is not enough to get in that debate.
LaLiga position has been ridiculous. they just kept the exact same limitations. they only let inscriptions for this year because it was literally impossible to make changes for the last season. 0 help to fix the economic issues. exactly same rules applied as if covid never existed. they couldn't loose a little bit to give the clubs some extra time to adjust.
barça is obviously in the worst situation, because of the big salaries and because it had the biggest revenues and they fell dramatically due to covid. but it is not the only one.
- real madrid had saved money for a big signing this year (hopefully mbappe). this money and selling some players like varane will allow them to respect the FFP. but it wasn't the plan.
- atletico had an increase of capital (180 million euros) a few weeks ago. this is the reason they have signed somebody, but they will probably need to sell some players.
- sevilla cannot buy anybody and that is why they sold bryan gil and they want to sell kounde, so they can accommodate to the new salary limit.
these are the champions league teams and their situation is bad due to laliga rules, but i could continue with more teams...
basically all medium/top teams are screwed this season due to LaLiga FFP. around 90% of the revenues of small teams come from TV rights so it is not a problem for them (you can check it if you want). besides, it is easier for them to get rid of players.
Yes, but that is why we had some clearly "weird" swaps like arthur-pjanic, to cheat the financials. He didn't put a loss in a season, he just made the ball bigger and bigger until it exploded with covid.
anyway, he is a felon, there are other ways to try to put him in jail.
exactly, this has been looooong before his disaster management, if you can call it management
we are in the same boat then. nobody likes, quite the opposite, clubs with 0 history before an oil man bought it for pennies. fake team forever.
barça is obviously in the worst situation, because of the big salaries and because it had the biggest revenues and they fell dramatically due to covid. but it is not the only one.
- real madrid had saved money for a big signing this year (hopefully mbappe). this money and selling some players like varane will allow them to respect the FFP. but it wasn't the plan.
- atletico had an increase of capital (180 million euros) a few weeks ago. this is the reason they have signed somebody, but they will probably need to sell some players.
- sevilla cannot buy anybody and that is why they sold bryan gil and they want to sell kounde, so they can accommodate to the new salary limit.
these are the champions league teams and their situation is bad due to laliga rules, but i could continue with more teams...
basically all medium/top teams are screwed this season due to LaLiga FFP. around 90% of the revenues of small teams come from TV rights so it is not a problem for them (you can check it if you want). besides, it is easier for them to get rid of players.
Yes, but that is why we had some clearly "weird" swaps like arthur-pjanic, to cheat the financials. He didn't put a loss in a season, he just made the ball bigger and bigger until it exploded with covid.
anyway, he is a felon, there are other ways to try to put him in jail.
exactly, this has been looooong before his disaster management, if you can call it management
we are in the same boat then. nobody likes, quite the opposite, clubs with 0 history before an oil man bought it for pennies. fake team forever.
But he's happy to stay? Why would he lose credibility?
Nothing like a strawman for someone who's just been corrected and finds himself unable to articulate a cogent response.
Go debate Ronaldo vs Messi with some other 15 year old pal, I have zero interest.
That's precisely what you attempted to do. Everyone else was trying to teach you that their impacts aren't the same.
You can continue claiming you have no interest while regurgitating the same inane tripe, if you'd like. It won't make your original point any less wide of the mark.
Not really the thread for it, but I think @Foxbatt is talking about Cruyff and Maradona's impacts at Barcelona, specifically. By general consensus, he's in the 2nd tier, just half a step behind Maradona, Pelé, and Messi in the all time standings.