All the clubs bar Barca and Real should release a joint statement. It would make real look as bad as Barca.
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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If it's Primera and Segunda there should be 40 clubs listed minus the ones who did not join the statement.
There are 14. Where are the other 26?
The statement does not justify that header.
I think there is a bit of confusion here.
The statement says that today, the Comisión Delegada (which is comprised of representatives from 14 clubs) makes this statement.
Then it says that yesterday, during the Juntas de División, all clubs from 1st and 2nd division except for two, agreed for the Comisión to make this statement.
Oh thanks, I get it now.
Yes, what the news said about the lawyer. I think it's a matter of time for Madrid to release the announcement now.
The irony.
@mods can we please get a tagline for @Niemans? he’s clearly the robert kardashian to the oj barcelona.
OkDiario] The head of ethics of Barça who must investigate the 'Negreira case' was vice president during the payments.
We have investigated ourselves and have found ourselves innocent of all charges
We have investigated ourselves and have found ourselves innocent of all charges
How many of them have played in the Primera Division and competed against and likely cheated by Barcelona in the last decade?
- Motta's action is obviously not a direct red card, but a yellow card.
- Motta received a yellow card in the 10th minute.
- Motta's play in the 28th minute is yellow without discussion.
- Therefore 2 yellow cards and to the changing rooms. Nothing changed in the course of the tie.
Uefa Act
In the 2011 tie against Arsenal, the second yellow card for Van Persie is a clear mistake by the referee.
But previously the referee forgave this entrance to Messi's ankle.
Ankle 0:35
And this attack by V. Persie on Dani Alves in minute 45, who doesn't even protest because he knows he did it.
1:43
Notice that I was going to give this tie as an example of how the referee hurt Barcelona and the media changed the narrative because of that play by Van Persie.
For that you have to go to the first leg.
- Goal annulled to Barcelona in the 39th minute. It was 0-2.
In addition, there was a hand that was a penalty.
Video
- Possible penalty for Pedro and expulsion of the defender.
Video
Second leg. Here I am going to paraphrase the newspaper Marca.
"The referee swallows a penalty against Barcelona. There was a play for controversy in the first half of Barça-Arsenal when Diaby's tackle on Messi on the same line of the large area went unpunished, in an action that should have been marked as a penalty by Busacca. The Swiss referee ordered to continue in a play in which he should have indicated the maximum penalty. The azulgranas barely made a claim in this action that occurred in the 32nd minute of the game".
Link
Video - attention to what the commentator says.
Commentator: "I cannot believe he's not given it there (referee)"
And here is a clear example of the enormous echo chamber that is the press in Spain without any counterweight. A tie where Barcelona were clearly harmed sells a narrative that they were benefited by a second rigorous yellow card to Van Persie.
And in the end people happily swallow a story because it's what they want to hear.
Today I don't have more time to answer anything else because it takes time for me to provide videos and evidence. And those who answer me do not contribute anything at all and when they do it is biased as in this example of the Arsenal tie.
The seventh Monty Python would have a different mood. What a disappointment.
Wtf are you arguing? Are you some Barca spam bot who doesnt care about the point but just post some random stuff?
No one said Barca didn't receive poor decisions against them, it's that they paid ref some x million. How does the decisions for and against Barca even help here? Are you say Barca weren't rich enough to buy every single ref?
I admire your terrific - almost inhumane - bot like resilience but you, of all people, accusing other of being biased is simply fecking too rich mate
P/s I'm not interested in discussion = won't reply.
This rabid Barcelona fan behavior reminds me of Porto fans during the Golden whistle corruption case. Two dispicable clubs. What it amuses me the most is that the clubs who got most benefits from referees are always crying about refs favoring Real Madrid/Benfica.
This just produces disenchantment towards football. I don't trust any football related organizations in Portugal or Spain. Both societies riddled with corruption top to bottom.
I always have a negative mindset towards any portuguese /spanish ref in any given match. Nowadays I mostly watch the English premier league and the occasional German Bundesliga match. If a ref is bad there is mostly due to incompetence.
This just produces disenchantment towards football. I don't trust any football related organizations in Portugal or Spain. Both societies riddled with corruption top to bottom.
I always have a negative mindset towards any portuguese /spanish ref in any given match. Nowadays I mostly watch the English premier league and the occasional German Bundesliga match. If a ref is bad there is mostly due to incompetence.
Best tv show ever. Season 2 is underrated.
Niemans talking about 'echo chambers' is extremely ironic. You are clearly in an echo chamber yourself if you think these arguments can persuade anyone who isn't 100% in the tank for Barcelona already.
I had checked out of this story on Thursday cos I was spending the weekend in Barcelona (ironically), I just caught up, it's all insane. Nice to see the Barça fans are staying true to themselves.
I completely forgot about the RVP game, was in utter shock when he was sent off, the most bizarre referee decision I have seen in a CL KO game. Barcelona ladies and gentleman, mes que un club, a fecking mafia.
Bang on mate. Couldn't think of anything would ironically fit them more than this
This sounds like when the Tories did an investigation into whether or not they had a bunch or parties during lockdown
This is going to be funny. They still have no clue what to say.
Took the whole country for a ride.
Maybe barca are the victims of extortion - the language they used is classic mafia shake down
Paying for neutrality - if you don't pay then bad things will happen
For the record I don't think this is the case but might be a good spin option - they've got to come up with some bollocks to get away with this
Paying for neutrality - if you don't pay then bad things will happen
For the record I don't think this is the case but might be a good spin option - they've got to come up with some bollocks to get away with this
Agree.
If I was them I'd play the blame game and turn political.
"Madrid bought the refs first. We only paid them so they could stay neutral. Anyone who says otherwise is one of their mouthpieces. Historically blah blah'
You haven't read the previous pages, you've gotten lost in the conversation. It's normal.
The only thing I have said about what is happening is that if Barcelona has broken the law to pay as it could not be otherwise. The harshest sanction there can be. This is the fourth time I have said so.
Nobody is defending what is happening now, that's why I tell you that you have lost.
What we are discussing is a different topic and if you are interested go back several pages and start reading the comments.
I admire your terrific - almost inhumane - bot like resilience but you, of all people, accusing other of being biased is simply fecking too rich mate
P/s I'm not interested in discussion = won't reply.
I am simply responding to the accusations made by some users here with videos and images.
He made some interesting statements today:
Laporta said:
Laporta even hinted that Tebas might be leaking this information to the press. And it wouldn't surprise me, after he got forced by the court to register Gavi, because they didn't accept the pathetic attempt to change the ffp rules in the last second to deny Gavi's registration. Tebas's agenda against barca is more than obvious and the press conference on this matter will be interesting.
My understanding of it:
Enriquez Negreira was a famous/controversial/colorful ref in the La Liga during 1975-91. After his active career, he became the VP of La Liga’s referee organ (CTA). Especially fairly early, there started to be talk about how Negreira appointed refs that favored Barca, plenty of old articles and even TV debate about it has come to light. Reading up on him, Neigreira comes across as a hustler. He was kicked out of the Catalan Referee Organization due to accusations of embezzlement etc.
A couple of years ago, the Tax Authorities started to investigate payments to Negreira’s company. Eventually it was discovered that the payments totaled no less than €7,000,000. Negreira could not produce any agreement for the payments nor produce any proof of any services provided. Negreira himself claimed that the payments had been made for him assuring that Barca got “neutral” treatments during 18 years when he was VP of the CTA.
Barca was contacted about the payments, and at first nobody seemed to have a clue what it was about, but eventually it was discovered that the 7m had been paid to through the same payment method used when they bribed journalists and socials media people to smear existing Barca players to get them to accept to leave the club even if it meant a pay cut as well as for smear campaigns against rivals to the club presidents in elections (this is the BarcaGate that made so much noise a couple of years ago and which led to many criminal charges). Some emails have leaked from internal Barca communications, discussing the topic “so do we play dumb or admit that we didn’t have a contract?”
When Neigreira retired from the CTA, Barca immediately terminated the services of his company. This really pissed of Negreira — this guy is obviously a real character — who started spamming the Barca president with faxes (haha, and this is just a few years ago), saying stuff like ‘if you don’t pay me, I will go public with all irregularities that I know of’, and stuff like that. Everything has become public.
There have been some lame statements, Barca claiming that everyone does it (which is false, nobody else have engaged an acting referee or official as consultant), today Barca have an ex ref who they pay 25k a year, Neigreda got 570k one season. Thebes — the La Liga president who seem desperate to save Barca — came up with the extremely dumb excuse that Neigreira had conned Barca, they thought they bribed him but it didn’t matter because he had no power. This seems to be Barcas best defense, sure we bribed the **** out of the CTA, but we are the victim since we were conned. OK. An attempt to bribe a ref is extremely bad, to have done it for 18 years is as bad as it gets.
It’s unlikely to happen because as long as Barcelona B don’t get relegated then Barcelona wouldn’t be able to get back to La Liga. Then again given have completely unethical Barcelona have proven themselves to be, they’d probably force their B team to get relegated so this would never happen.
Yes. Although missing some new info:
The payments happened to a company created by Negreira, his son was the administrator of the company. Negreira´s company main client was FC Barcelona, he barely made any money outside of them. The company was closed 2 years after Barca stopped paying them. The payments also happened to a company created by Negreira´s son.
Negreira´s son acted as a personal coach and a psychologist for Spanish referees. Pérez Burrull, an ex-referee active while Negreira was the VP of the ref comitee, has admitted that, given the competition between refs, privetaly hiring the son of the ref VP could help them in their careers. He specifically referred to being promoted or relegated to the second tier.
Thanks to Andújar Oliver, a ref of the same period, we also know that Negreira´s son would call the refs in charge of the important games that happened in Camp Nou. He would ask them at which hotel they were staying and then would drive them personally to the stadium. He admits that, he being the refs VP son, he could not turn him down. Video of Negreira's son accompanying refs to Camp Nou in 2015.
We also learnt how on one of this trips, where Negreira´s son was driving the 4 refs (referee, two assistant referees and the fourth referee) to the game at Camp Nou he told them:
“You know: here, calm down. Barcelona has a lot at stake and you can´t hesitate. You are more than prepared. You know exactly what you have to do."
One question is, if Barça were demoted, would they survive financially? What will happen to the financing agreements buying their CL rights? Sponsorships?
Is bankruptcy an option? Really start from scratch?
Is bankruptcy an option? Really start from scratch?
Wouldnt the entire club get demoted? Barca B and all?
I'm somewhat impressed by Barcelona's willingness and shamelessness to play the victim, no matter how dodgy they look. If that's not dedication and love for your club, I don't know what is
Spanish football is bent as feck
They’ll just pull another lever I’m sure. Or somehow they’ll get a miraculous “donation” from a local financial institution.
Is there any objective fan out there that thinks Barca aren’t shady? I always watched their games with suspicion, often seemed over the top how biased the officiating was for so long, nice to actually get evidence.
Just saw the dates, is it possible he decided to retire when VAR first came in over there it is that a coincidence?
So we’re getting Barca’s champions leagues as well as city’s domestic titles then? Sweet