It's even funnier when you consider that the both of them found their rhythm during the last months of the year and were both excellent.
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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It's even funnier when you consider that the both of them found their rhythm during the last months of the year and were both excellent.
What do you expect your on a Manchester United forum ? Not that I have hate towards Barca myself personally but I couldn't care less for the club as it's not a team I follow. This whole site is not a standalone general football forum it's predominantly a United fan page and the overall sentiments of a multitude of opinions will come from that biased point of view.
There is no negative bias here, I generally like Barcelona but in this case and in the past 4 or 5 years, they have acted like idiots and shown dubious morality.
I bet there is massive scandal behind these levers. Wouldn't be surprised if the government or the city of Barcelona are involved in buying them in some way or another.
Paying a child's medical threatment is unethical now. He had shown some talent already but he could have ended being a nobody like thousands of Young players end. Even at La Masía there were kids who played along Messi who scored way more like Víctor Vázquez, and nobody ever knew who they were.
i hope you dont celebrate the europa league if you win it because in the 1st place you shouldnt have played EL as united should be part of the CL. 2nd position in the league would also be bad because united, the top earner of the league, should win it and anything else is a disaster.
so basically this season is already a disaster for united, as even if you win EPL you won't go far in CL. ETH is a bad coach because will not manage to win EPL and go deep in CL. does is sound stupid to you? well, it is stupid because ETH is not responsible from current united situation.
tasteless? what is tasteless about saving a life? one of my best friends had an accident caused by a drunk fool and he "only" lost his leg. we (and him of course) appreciate the amazing job its surgeon and doctors did to save his life. so yeah. people should not drive drunk on the 1st place but it has nothing to do with doctor's job being great.
would be a bad business to sell martial at 40M? or would you praise the negotiator??? this board is not responsible for the griezmann signing. they are responsible for his selling. they made a great operation. getting 40M from griezmann (at 30, after 2 shitty seasons) and saving 100M in salaries is great. period.
the rights of laliga has a long and turbulent history. it is not that easy and it is far from what you say.
so you think that spanish/barcelona government are shady investors of sixth street?
the most vicious attacks to barca come from chelsea (who by the way think they managament has been great and growth totally organic) and bayern (they don't like to remember that they sold 25% of the club itself to pay for the stadium)
he came to barcelona because nobody wanted to pay his treatment in argentina.
13yo are very risky investment and if i can choose i prefer to risk some money while i actually help a child with a treatment than just giving money to the parents to get a better home or a nicer car.
The generous Barcelona FC, in the business of paying for children's medical treatment. Are they opening the next clinic in Abuja, or was it Dakar?
Barcelona to return to the 1/1 needed to recover the losses of recent years. For that it was necessary to activate the sale of television rights. Then the club wanted to sell this 25% of BarcaStudios for signings.
And I wouldn't have bought Coutinho or Dembélé either. When Laporta arrived, Griezzman was already with that contract.
You haven't answered my question. What would you have done?
Barcelona and Real Madrid are not to blame for that. There was a vote among all the clubs and it came out to sell the television rights separately.
The economic situation was unsustainable.
It seemed right to me personally to sell Griezzman and not renew Messi.
We can look at Barcelona from two different angles, depending what we think is important.
1. How they handle their finances is from the outside questionable but as long as they follow the rules it‘s hard to argue they do something wrong. Maybe it’s more suitable to blame the governing body such as UEFA or FIFA who allow these type of creative accounting maneuvers without serious consequences.
1. Their transfer window summer 2022 has been a huge success, what else can you say? Nothing short of spectacular how much talent they have gathered. I envy them. Quality all over the pitch for reasonable fee’s and wages.
The pulling power Spanish clubs like Barca and Madrid have is for us hard to challenge without CL and paying astronomical wages. United must improve their scouting department and do their transfer businesses similar to Dortmund, but on a higher level. Buy high quality talents when they still is in their first or second contract and then develop them into stars, similar to how we did with Ronaldo. I’m all in on De Jong but from a economical standpoint it’s a risky deal. High fee, high wage, uncertainty about the players motivation to spend his best years with us. Not an ideal situation.
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1. How they handle their finances is from the outside questionable but as long as they follow the rules it‘s hard to argue they do something wrong. Maybe it’s more suitable to blame the governing body such as UEFA or FIFA who allow these type of creative accounting maneuvers without serious consequences.
1. Their transfer window summer 2022 has been a huge success, what else can you say? Nothing short of spectacular how much talent they have gathered. I envy them. Quality all over the pitch for reasonable fee’s and wages.
The pulling power Spanish clubs like Barca and Madrid have is for us hard to challenge without CL and paying astronomical wages. United must improve their scouting department and do their transfer businesses similar to Dortmund, but on a higher level. Buy high quality talents when they still is in their first or second contract and then develop them into stars, similar to how we did with Ronaldo. I’m all in on De Jong but from a economical standpoint it’s a risky deal. High fee, high wage, uncertainty about the players motivation to spend his best years with us. Not an ideal situation.
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everyone and their mums know that they economic situations was unsustainable, everyone knew it before you bought Griezmann. It was still funny.
FIFA and the UEFA are in no position to allow or not allow a thing, people seem to think that they have way more power than they actually have.
Ah, so presumably Barca and Real voted for a shared deal?!
Don't worry the answer is irrelevant anyway since who's to blame or not wasn't the point I was making and I'd thank you to not try and divert away from the fact that Barcelona and Real Madrid benefitted massively from a deal that further divided the wealth in La Liga.
Hey, still waiting for you to quote the people who apparently used a banned word in this forum. And, again, the history and causes are irrelevant to the outcome. Barcelona have no right to complain about financial doping.
They've got guaranteed Champions League football, dew to the low quality of their league. Wouldn't have that much pulling power if they weren't in the CL.
Having said that, they have both proved that a club doesn't need 4 years to rebuild, which has always been United's poor excuse. They both did it in one summer.
What is all this bullshit about the government bailing them out, the government isn't doing shit for them. Real on the other hand.
But Laporta arrived when he was there. And he is the one who has to make decisions.
Be careful because a team that didn't even qualify to the Champions League in La Liga like Villarreal still beat United in Europa League final last year and eliminated Bayern from the Champions League this year.
In the 21st century Madrid have won like 7 Champions Leagues and Barca 4. That's about the same than the rest of the leagues combined. But yeah, we do qualify to the Champions League because of the low level of La Liga.
In the 21st century Madrid have won like 7 Champions Leagues and Barca 4. That's about the same than the rest of the leagues combined. But yeah, we do qualify to the Champions League because of the low level of La Liga.
Yeah.. competition for top 4 in La Liga is pretty weak.. Barca will make it quite easily
Like everyone in here I think this transfer window has been insane, more so considering their not done yet while also trying to do everything they can to not honour Frenkie's contract. 
Then I must admit you can't criticize them for not being ambitious enough, they already have a better team than Manchester United and more depth than us. The big downside from all this heavy investment is that this will put a lot of pressure on Xavi and his team to deliver some major titles this very season, they're almost obliged to it now so there's that. They have the potential but not a lot of time.
Then I must admit you can't criticize them for not being ambitious enough, they already have a better team than Manchester United and more depth than us. The big downside from all this heavy investment is that this will put a lot of pressure on Xavi and his team to deliver some major titles this very season, they're almost obliged to it now so there's that. They have the potential but not a lot of time.
I am a big fan of limiting the number of daily posts from newbies. However, the multiple quoting option takes the whole thing a bit ad absurdum.
Exactly my feelings. And now even Messi isn’t there anymore.
They are leveraging their post count pretty well.
What are you trying to do here? Do I need your approval or Laporta's approval to find something funny?
The analysis I would like to see is what happens to Barca next year.
In order to pay some of the short term debt, sign and register players for this season they have activated 3 "levers" :
- Sold 10% of the domestic TV rights for a fee of €267 million.
- Sold another 15% of the domestic TV rights for a figure of around ̉€400 million.
- Sold 25% of Barça Studios for a fee of around €100 million.
These sales can be marked as profit straight away on the accounts, while player purchases are amortized over the period of the contracts. So this all makes sense for now.
How will they manage to deal with the extra amortization from Lewandowski, Raphina, Kounde and Torres. The wages of Kessie, Christensen and Aubameyang. Plus, the deferred salary of Pique, Busquets, Alba etc when they have lost 25% of domestic TV revenue and 25% of Barca studios revenue?
If someone could run those numbers I'm sure it would be a fascinating read!
In order to pay some of the short term debt, sign and register players for this season they have activated 3 "levers" :
- Sold 10% of the domestic TV rights for a fee of €267 million.
- Sold another 15% of the domestic TV rights for a figure of around ̉€400 million.
- Sold 25% of Barça Studios for a fee of around €100 million.
These sales can be marked as profit straight away on the accounts, while player purchases are amortized over the period of the contracts. So this all makes sense for now.
How will they manage to deal with the extra amortization from Lewandowski, Raphina, Kounde and Torres. The wages of Kessie, Christensen and Aubameyang. Plus, the deferred salary of Pique, Busquets, Alba etc when they have lost 25% of domestic TV revenue and 25% of Barca studios revenue?
If someone could run those numbers I'm sure it would be a fascinating read!
What is the problem with my answer? I need your approval to give you an answer where you imply that Barcelona in a sibylline way that it was a mistake to get rid of them?
I've put this in for weeks now, so some numbers won't be accurate. The amount put into the signings was approximate. The signings were not yet made.
Nothing was implied, I told you exactly what I thought which was that the situation was funny. And the issue with your answer is that you assume things that aren't there.
Ok, my fault. I understood what it wasn't. My apologies.
Sorry, what? This may surprise you, but I'm not privy to the internal situation to the extent that Laporta was. I'm also not a veteran club president, lawyer and politician, so am probably not best placed to advise on that. To reiterate, in not saying that he handled that badly. I'm saying how weird it is that Barcelona fans seem insistent on focusing on minor details like that as some kind of evidence that the club is now run well, when all other evidence points to the contrary.
You really are talking a tremendous amount of nonsense. I have no idea what United winning the Europea league or otherwise has to do with anything. Ditto coming second in the league. You make no sense.
Your analogy was tasteless and, again, nonsensical, whether or not you have a friend that suffered an amputation. Period.
What Barcelona are doing this summer is sustainable, as long as the next few years as the players with the highest salaries end their contracts and the club signs players with decent salaries.
Also with the FFP you can not get into debt, but the following year you can not register players.
I guess we'll see!
Is a part of Laporta's build back better plan unleashing a legion of barca apologists upon football forums?
Where the hell did they invade here from.
Where the hell did they invade here from.
Perhaps don’t try to buy alonso then mate
They got a lot of money from those levers tbf, they can do anything now... be anywhere
They legit could be doing that, the former guy paid journalists to run fluff pieces for him, paying bots to do pr stuff for them ain't beneath them.They got a lot of money from those levers tbf, they can do anything now... be anywhere
I have been visiting redcafe since the 07-08 season, in the champions league semifinal.
Since then I tried to register 3 times in different years and the page gave me error.
Until I was able last year.
Nah , you're a full member so you're fine but there just seems to be so many new barca fan newbies here suddenly.