Originally posted by Raoul:
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What exactly does this mean ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It means it's not something we can brag about.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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What exactly does this mean ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It means it's not something we can brag about.
Originally posted by Murt:
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He is embaressed that Forlan is a Utd player.
Personally im delighted we have him, hes not an out & out striker and seems to be very creative. Had we tried to buy him after the WC hed have cost 12 mill. Hell score a couple of goals soon enough and hell be god, ill remember his knockers though and i presume they'll be too ashamed of him to celenrate.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought you mentioned in your earlier post that forlan not scoring means "fuch all" and now you are waiting for him to score a couple of goals?
I hope he does well too but I'm not holding my breath...
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Don't worry about Ichk. He probably wouldn't wanted Ole out during his first year with us as well. </strong><hr></blockquote>
FYI, Ole did the business immediately upon his arrival at OT
Forlan has not.
Originally posted by lchk:
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So you are insinuating I am a sunshine supporter? Prove it bigmouth
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Im insuniating that your cluesless too, the fact that your embaressed by some of our players is astonishing. Weve had some real piss poor players playing for us down the yrs but none of them embaressed me.
How long have you been a utd fan? 3, 4 yrs?
Originally posted by lchk:
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Now it's 9 players, you're just making things up along in trying to insult me. Pathetic. Try harder.
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so how many players was it? You changed your mind after every game, remember derby away? You were wanting a new city to be based in after that.
Originally posted by lchk:
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Correction. I saw that things needed to be changed and my wish came true when Fergie did the necessary changes. You OTOH just assumed everything was fine and dandy and INSISTED that nothing needed to be tampered with.
The facts proved that I am correct and you are wrong. Live with it.
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facts? You insisted that we'd have to sign 4 defenders, keepers, strikers, wingers, coaches etc. You basically insisted we needed new everything and some of it was right.
Its like doing the lotto and choosing all the numbers, pretty high chances of a couple of em coming out.
Originally posted by lchk:
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So now it's ten and five? What's next? Twenty?
It's getting very tiresome to see you making all sorts of FALSE accusations at me. Prove that I mentioned ten, 15 or any such numbers in any of my posts otherwise I suggest you drop this thread until you know how to carry a sensible and objective debate.
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False accusations! Did you not want at least 4 new defenders, a new keeper, new wingers, a new striker, assistent managers & coaches?
Im exagerating when i say that you wanted a new tea lady.
How much was it? Remember you wanted Blanc, Barthez & P Neville out as well as O'Shea & Brown in the reserves. Your also ashamed of Forlan which means youd like 2 strikers.
Originally posted by lchk:
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I thought you mentioned in your earlier post that forlan not scoring means "fuch all" and now you are waiting for him to score a couple of goals?
I hope he does well too but I'm not holding my breath...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Im not waiting for him to score a couple of goals before ill be proud of him. Its the prawn sambo boys like yourself that are doing that.
Originally posted by Murt:
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Im not waiting for him to score a couple of goals before ill be proud of him. Its the prawn sambo boys like yourself that are doing that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Explain this pride of yours. I didn't see you expressing your so-called pride with Yorke and how about May?
Talking crap as always...
Originally posted by lchk:
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Explain this pride of yours. I didn't see you expressing your so-called pride with Yorke and how about May?
Talking crap as always...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yorke didnt make an effort and was obviously not a true red, hes gone the same way as Paul Ince. On saying that i was never ashamed of them, i loved Ince but he betrayed us.
David May is imo opinion a red and obviously loves Man Utd so ill allways remember him fondly, like i do Mark Hughes, Robson etc.
Im insuniating that your cluesless too, the fact that your embaressed by some of our players is astonishing. Weve had some real piss poor players playing for us down the yrs but none of them embaressed me.
How long have you been a utd fan? 3, 4 yrs?
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Who says I am embarrased? I accept the fact that we have some players who are not up to mark but you as usual are shoving YOUR OWN WORDS into my mouth so to speak. This is really getting quite tiresome…
You know the answer to that – since ’83 so don’t pretend like you don’t know. How long have YOU been a Utd fan or even a football fan in general?
<strong>so how many players was it? You changed your mind after every game, remember derby away? You were wanting a new city to be based in after that.
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Just to keep you from spouting half-truths, I initially made a “4 defenders” replacement outburst after a dire performance by our defence. I admitted that it was a knee jerk reaction and subsequently stated that I would be happy with the inclusion of a full-back and a centre-half as well as a striker. I also mentioned that if we could get a keeper and a left winger to give Barthez and Giggs a bit of a push in competition it would be good but NOT essential imo.
Sorry to disappoint you but it was nowhere near the 10 or 15 or whatever number you pulled out of your addled mind <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
<strong>facts? You insisted that we'd have to sign 4 defenders, keepers, strikers, wingers, coaches etc. You basically insisted we needed new everything and some of it was right.
Its like doing the lotto and choosing all the numbers, pretty high chances of a couple of em coming out.
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I see you added plurals to keepers, strikers and wingers.
Typical bullshite from you. Stop spreading lies about me, you ignoramus
I CLEARLY stated that we needed some changes at the youth level since we weren’t very productive in that area for some time and it turns out that it has been the case with the sacking of two youth coaches and the appointment of a new south American. Same goes for the vacant AM post then.
Why don’t you just accept the fact that I was right and you were wrong? Too much pride is it?
<strong>False accusations! Did you not want at least 4 new defenders, a new keeper, new wingers, a new striker, assistent managers & coaches?
Im exagerating when i say that you wanted a new tea lady.
How much was it? Remember you wanted Blanc, Barthez & P Neville out as well as O'Shea & Brown in the reserves. Your also ashamed of Forlan which means youd like 2 strikers.
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See my answer above, ignoramus. So now it’s keepers and all sorts of plurals eh? I challenge you now – PROVE THAT I SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU POSTED ABOVE CONCERNING THE ADDITION OF NEW PERSONEL OTHERWISE SHUT YOUR TRAP!! How old are you ignoramus, you have NO intellectual capacity to carry on a debate whatsoever which leads me to believe that you are some pimply teen.
Blanc out? Yes
P Neville out? No, just not in the first team.
Barthez out? Never said it
Brown? On the bench
O’Shea? First team
Ashamed of Forlan? Where’s the statement?
Two strikers? More made-up stuff from you
A whole rigmarole of LIES and HALF-TRUTHS from you. Disgusting to say the least.
Originally posted by Murt:
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Yorke didnt make an effort and was obviously not a true red, hes gone the same way as Paul Ince. On saying that i was never ashamed of them, i loved Ince but he betrayed us.
David May is imo opinion a red and obviously loves Man Utd so ill allways remember him fondly, like i do Mark Hughes, Robson etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So where did you come up with "ashamed" stuff?
What do you mean by that exactly?
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Ichk, youre making an arse out of yourself. You may not remember, but last season you made the most hilarious comments on United. It sounded like it was one of your first seasons supporting United - not saying that it was, mind. You should always support your players, like Barthez, who last season you wanted gone. Now its Forlan. Get a grip.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I admit that I did make some knee-jerk reactionary comments after some embarassing moments from our performances. But let's not confuse that with the fact that I recognize there are some areas in the squad which can be improved and I don't hesitate in speaking my mind on that. Of course I am supportive of the team, FYI I NEVER stated that I wanted Barthez to be sold nor Forlan.
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>No, I never explicitly stated that I am embarrased with Forlan.
Merely mentioned that he hasn't produced the goods up to this point of time.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe not out front, but you said this
"If you are talking about current, Forlan hasn't exactly has you strutting around have you?"
Sounds to me like you wish we never signed him. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Originally posted by Gazza:
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Maybe not out front, but you said this
"If you are talking about current, Forlan hasn't exactly has you strutting around have you?"
Sounds to me like you wish we never signed him. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Let's put it this way, I do have doubts about him performing for us but I'm willing to see him be given a chance to prove himself this season.
In short, I hope he proves me wrong come end of the season.
Originally posted by lchk:
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So where did you come up with "ashamed" stuff?
What do you mean by that exactly?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I asked you which of our signings embaress you, you replied "Forlan", embaressed, ashamed, shame thing.
Originally posted by lchk:
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I admit that I did make some knee-jerk reactionary comments after some embarassing moments from our performances. But let's not confuse that with the fact that I recognize there are some areas in the squad which can be improved and I don't hesitate in speaking my mind on that. Of course I am supportive of the team, FYI I NEVER stated that I wanted Barthez to be sold nor Forlan.</strong><hr></blockquote>
According to you, and im not exagerating we needed over half of the 1st replaced last season, its not on.
Originally posted by Murt:
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I asked you which of our signings embaress you, you replied "Forlan", embaressed, ashamed, shame thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
embarrass = ashamed?
You should check a dictionary <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Originally posted by Murt:
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According to you, and im not exagerating we needed over half of the 1st replaced last season, its not on.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No I did NOT make any such comments.
Please paste those comments that I made if there was such a thing otherwise it's just more bullshite from you.
For the last time, stop making up stories about my comments!
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>No I did NOT make any such comments.
Please paste those comments that I made if there was such a thing otherwise it's just more bullshite from you.
For the last time, stop making up stories about my comments!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Im not making up stories and im not going looking for your quotes on this.
Brown & O'Shea were to play maybe 6 games all season as they wernt to be trusted.
Blanc, Irwin, Johnsen & P Neville were to go.
You criticised Barthez all season and wanted h im out.
You didnt think Forlan was adequate and we are a striker short.
You wanted new wingers.
After every bad result you wanted so & so sacked & so & so brought in.
If your going to brag to the world that it was your idea that we get a new assistent (hardly a coup considering the situation was vacant) then you can accept that you were wrong in other areas.
Originally posted by Murt:
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Im not making up stories and im not going looking for your quotes on this. </strong><hr></blockquote>
So that means you can't prove what you claim I have been saying. I see.... <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
<strong>Brown & O'Shea were to play maybe 6 games all season as they wernt to be trusted. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Quote?
<strong>Blanc, Irwin, Johnsen & P Neville were to go.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Blanc yes. Irwin yes. Johnsen and P Neville no.
Anymore on that list, Mr Bullshiter?
<strong>You criticised Barthez all season and wanted h im out.</strong><hr></blockquote>
On the contrary, I hardly took shots at him and NEVER wanted him out. You are just making all this up as you go along aren't you?
<strong>You didnt think Forlan was adequate and we are a striker short.</strong><hr></blockquote>
True.
<strong>You wanted new wingers.
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A falsehood. All I stated was I wouldn't mind if we could buy a left winger to give Giggs a bit of a push in terms of competition but to me it wasn't essential. How did the plural creep in?
<strong>After every bad result you wanted so & so sacked & so & so brought in.
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After EVERY bad result? Prove it.
<strong>If your going to brag to the world that it was your idea that we get a new assistent (hardly a coup considering the situation was vacant) then you can accept that you were wrong in other areas.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I accept that I am wrong when I am.
And when I am correct I will state so.
Incidentally, you didn't pull up that example about the youth shake-up where I got it spot on.
Selective posting eh? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
I also accept responsibility for what I post, what I do NOT do is accept you adding and putting words into my mouth so to speak with all kinds of falsehoods and half-truths.
You are just making yourself go lower with every post that you make to me..... <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>blah, blah, blah, </strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course i cant prove anything, most ppl have memories and remember your moaning and complaing over the last year or so.
Whats worse is the fact that your denying it all,
actually just found a good one,, ill start a new topic
Originally posted by lchk:
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No I did NOT make any such comments.
Please paste those comments that I made if there was such a thing otherwise it's just more bullshite from you.
For the last time, stop making up stories about my comments!</strong><hr></blockquote>
the problem is that you did itchy boy
"if it were me, a whole new defence should be brought in but that's not going to happen.
"
ring any bells
Originally posted by Murt:
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Of course i cant prove anything, most ppl have memories and remember your moaning and complaing over the last year or so.
Whats worse is the fact that your denying it all,
actually just found a good one,, ill start a new topic </strong><hr></blockquote>
You can't prove anything because I made no such claims.
I do not deny it all, I deny only the SPECIFIC claims that you accuse me of making.
In other words, you are a lying twat. Period.
Originally posted by lchk:
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You can't prove anything because I made no such claims.
I do not deny it all, I deny only the SPECIFIC claims that you accuse me of making.
In other words, you are a lying twat. Period.</strong><hr></blockquote>
eh,, no,, your the lying twat,, check the other threads. Ill be expecting appologies in all the relevant threads, perhaps a whole new topic would be nice, seeing as im right and your wrong
<img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Originally posted by Murt:
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eh,, no,, your the lying twat,, check the other threads. Ill be expecting appologies in all the relevant threads, perhaps a whole new topic would be nice, seeing as im right and your wrong
<img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
And do all these old threads confirm anything?
Where are the wingers comments for instance? 10, 15 changes? Sackings after every match? I have yet to see them.
The "4 defenders" comment was explained earlier in this thread.
And you still want to dig up dirt about that.
Admit it, you just have a selective memory and resort to wild allegations
Two words for you - PISS OFF if you can't prove those claims of yours (and don't drag that 4 defenders nonsense thing up again, it's already explained long ago)
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>resort to wild allegations
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your just too much
Originally posted by Murt:
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Im not making up stories and im not going looking for your quotes on this.
Brown & O'Shea were to play maybe 6 games all season as they wernt to be trusted.
You criticised Barthez all season and wanted h im out.
You wanted new wingers.
After every bad result you wanted so & so sacked & so & so brought in.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Prove the four accusations above that you made about me.
I've already explained the other statements.
Lying git...
Originally posted by lchk:
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Prove the four accusations above that you made about me.
I've already explained the other statements.
Lying git...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Look in the other thread, "lchk in 4 defender sensation",
I quoted you calling for a defensive cull after a bad result,
Im working on the winger part but its there somewhere.2
I quoted you saying Barthez should be replaced
I quoted you saying Brown and O'Shea wernt up to the job
you also denied calling for 4 new defenders, proved wrong
you also denied wanting the nevilles out,, proved worng,
again, why are you calling me a liar? Its all there (apart from the winger bit) in black & white.
Originally posted by Murt:
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Look in the other thread, "lchk in 4 defender sensation",
I quoted you calling for a defensive cull after a bad result,
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Which I have admitted it was a knee-jerk reaction.
<strong>Im working on the winger part but its there somewhere.2
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wingers in your own words. Going on back on your own words again, liar?
<strong>I quoted you saying Barthez should be replaced
</strong><hr></blockquote>
You failed to note the “possibly”. And you also failed to back up your accusation about me taking pot shots at Barthez throughout the whole of last season.
<strong>I quoted you saying Brown and O'Shea wernt up to the job
</strong><hr></blockquote>
You said 6 games? Any quotes? You also failed to note that I have said O”Shea is a promising prospect so don’t make like I’m writing him off.
<strong>you also denied calling for 4 new defenders, proved wrong
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Feck off, I never denied any such thing. How many times do I have to repeat myself on this?
<strong>you also denied wanting the nevilles out,, proved worng,
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Quote?
<strong>again, why are you calling me a liar? Its all there (apart from the winger bit) in black & white.</strong><hr></blockquote>
On closer examination, it all falls apart. Try harder moron.
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>A whole rigmarole of LIES and HALF-TRUTHS from you. Disgusting to say the least.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
If its good enough for Keane's book !!
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by holyland red:
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We shouldn'y bother about Barca getting this pile of shite, but when considering that we paid 7.5m for Forlan and they got for that sort of money the likes of Saviola & D'Alessandro you start questioning our transfer policy</strong><hr></blockquote>
We seem to having to pay sometimes 3 times as much as other teams(big teams at that) to get players. It's very frustrating especially when you think of all the transfers we nearly complete but then collapse.
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>D'Allesandro has an Italian passport I think so he wouldnt be a non-EU. He hasnt signed for Barca anyway, hes still at River Plate.</strong><hr></blockquote>
He will play this year at River...but he'll be in Europe next year for sure. Riquelme, Saviola, D'Allessandro.?!?!?!? Look out Europe!!! And by the way, Saviola will not be outscored by anybody in Barca this year...not if he plays with Riquelme.
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Obviously Dallesandro will be off within eight-to-ten months. But I doubt to Barca. I think he wants to go to Italy when he does leave River. Probably Juve.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We could always try. Weather aside, the Argentinian media rate the EPL as the best League in the world (and I was quite surprised to see that). Italy is ranked third and miles apart.
D'Alessandro says his preferred position is in the hole, with a free role behind two strikers. Mmmmm... I just have the distinct feeling that it would go down to how Veron performs over the first half of the season and D'Alessandro coming IF he is leaving. I wonder how likely it would be for him to come replace Veron. He will be wary about taking up a challenge Seba couldn't live up to and we would be wary about replacing an Argie with another Argie...