Top class players don't always do that. Sometimes they hit the bar and sometimes opposing keepers have very good performances. That's football.
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Top class players don't always do that. Sometimes they hit the bar and sometimes opposing keepers have very good performances. That's football.
Nailed it.
What a knee jerk thread!! Juve asked for it and we paid it. How is that Pogba's fault?
Also, he is not playing ahead of two midfielders as he generally did at Juve when he was at his best. If anything, he has been underwhelming because we used him wrong. If Pogba is the baby elephant then ROONEY is the fecking Hulk in the room. It's because of him we have had to shoehorn good players away from their natural positions and had to stick with some form or the other of 4-2-3-1. Rest of the logic is absolute bollocks.
Also, he is not playing ahead of two midfielders as he generally did at Juve when he was at his best. If anything, he has been underwhelming because we used him wrong. If Pogba is the baby elephant then ROONEY is the fecking Hulk in the room. It's because of him we have had to shoehorn good players away from their natural positions and had to stick with some form or the other of 4-2-3-1. Rest of the logic is absolute bollocks.
I agree! For 90 million we should be getting Messi, but in midfield! This is an outrage! What were we thinking?!
Seeing the word 'luck' an awful lot in this thread. Does Pogba's ability to finish easy chances really come down to luck? That seems a bit worrying but I suppose explains his pretty average scoring record at Juventus.
This... The talent is there for anyone to see..
I'd agree with this.
I am very disappointed with Pogba. And this is based on all the games he played for us, not just today.
Today for me, he was the worst outfield player for us [the blonde guy for Stoke was the worst
].
In his first game for us, he played like a Galactico class player, but since then, he's played similar to the level we expect of Fellaini or Herrera.
At present, for me, Herrera is our best CM and I'd have no issues having Pogba on the bench, with Carrick in his place.
There was an on-going joke regarding spurs and GlastonSpur, who said that Pogba would need to prove himself to get into the Spurs team. I now agree with his assessment.
For his and our stakes, I hope get gets better.
Today for me, he was the worst outfield player for us [the blonde guy for Stoke was the worst
].In his first game for us, he played like a Galactico class player, but since then, he's played similar to the level we expect of Fellaini or Herrera.
At present, for me, Herrera is our best CM and I'd have no issues having Pogba on the bench, with Carrick in his place.
There was an on-going joke regarding spurs and GlastonSpur, who said that Pogba would need to prove himself to get into the Spurs team. I now agree with his assessment.
For his and our stakes, I hope get gets better.
Well the Caf does love a knee-jerk.
If Madrid fans had gotten their way Modric would have been sold within his first 6 months.
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How long are people going to use the pre-season excuse?
He has played plenty of games for us now....those extra 3 pre-season games which some of our players played cannot be used as an excuse for him playing so badly.
He was man of the match in his last game.
This is a Pogba Thread and you managed to drag Rooney into it..Boringly
The talent is there, but at the same time he needs to tidy his game up and get back to basics ASAP.
He trying too hard and trying to force things.
He also isn't to be played in a midfield 2, he can't do it.
Needs to be played with Herrera and Carrick/Blind/Morgan.
He trying too hard and trying to force things.
He also isn't to be played in a midfield 2, he can't do it.
Needs to be played with Herrera and Carrick/Blind/Morgan.
The Problem with Pogba and Utd at the Moment is we need 2 CM and Pogba to play ahead of them,I don't think Pogba will ever dominate games in a midfield of 2.
I'll play Carrick and Hererra as CM and put Pogba/Mata/Rashford or Martial ahead of them.
I'll play Carrick and Hererra as CM and put Pogba/Mata/Rashford or Martial ahead of them.
You can't just drop Rooney and expect him to be great
At the moment we're just trying to force a squad Pog into a Roond hole:
At the moment we're just trying to force a squad Pog into a Roond hole:
I'd have to watch it again but I don't think it was unlucky either. I think he fluffed the header, might have come off his shoulder.
I'm kind of with you on this. He was really poor today and we can't have players underperforming on a regular basis. The league will be out of sight before we know it if this carries on.
Sorry, I don't make a habit of intervening during your postmortems, but I just couldn't let that one go.
Finishing tends to even out to the norm over a course of a season, even for the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Ibra, Neymar or Suarez. If you look at the stats and their expected goal contributions and all that, you'll find it matches pretty well to their actual contributions. The ability to finds yourself in goalscoring positions and get in those chances consistently is a much more important quality then finishing. Things like Rashfords finishing since he broke through is unsustainable and will inevitably die down eventually. The important thing is getting in the right positions which we did in abundance today, mainly through Pogba and Ibra.
What makes you think Pogba has no adjustements to make in terms of playing for a new team and a new league ? Just because he was there before, means absolutely feck all. Do we have the right to expect more ? Absolutely yes but you cannot change the reality. Pogba had zero PL experience and most of this team is different from the one he was last part of.
C'mon, show some damn respect! Even if rooney is getting fatter, its not fair to call him a baby elephant.
You sound like German talk about England WC winning goal.
How is it not relevant? Rooney is the reason we play a system that doesn't get the best out of the costliest player in the world. It may change eventually which will be refreshing. He is also the reason why Mata never got sustained opportunities at the number 10 position.
I'm not too worried. He does a lot of good work and creates chance and gets into good goal scoring positions. He is playing badly for him but there is a lot more to come. We have him on a 5+1 contract and he is 23. He will be one hell of a player for us.
I was just laughing at the use of never. If he's never a 90 million player, then it's not possible that he may be a 90 million player in the future.
Hasn't really found his place in the team and doesn't yet have the ability to boss a game like you would maybe expect. If we're saying the same thing towards the end of the season I'd be a bit worried, for now we just have to be patient and hope he can find his feet and improve with each performance.
We just need to play him with herrera
oh wait feck, need a new narrative
oh wait feck, need a new narrative
I'm not disappointed at all. He's not an intelligent player, never was, isn't now and never really will be. He might be an intelligent guy but that's a different thing, he hasn't got the football brain to be playmaker. Most players haven't one, so it doesn't need to be a problem, the problem is that United needed a midfielder with a great football brain and paid 90 million for him.
Sorry, I don't make a habit of intervening during your postmortems, but I just couldn't let that one go.
I don't get what is so funny. Its not like they were 50/50 chances, they were gilt edged chances which should have been buried. The Zlatan chance was a 9/10 chance in favour of Zlatan usually and Pogbas chances were very easy. If he keeps missing them even by next year, of course we should be worried but the positive is that he is showing that he could potentially be a match winner. He's being creative and getting in good positions.
The bigger worry for me is that tactically he is a liability and we can only get away with that if he is putting chance away but when he isn't winning us games, he is a liability. Again totally understand why people are thinking wtf have we paid £90m for a work in progress and they are totally justified in thinking that. My argument is that feck it, yes we did overpay and he is definitely not worth it but that doesn't mean we don't have a talented player on our hands. We do, so let him grow here and lets support him. Its not like he looks like an absolute donkey, he does look very very gifted we just need to mould that and make it into something effective.
Anyone who thought Pogba would come in and have a world class impact obviously didn't watch him before.
Mourinho knows his best position and how to get the best out of him yet doesn't seem to know who to play with him. I think Carrick needs to be in there as a DM as Herrera and mop head ain't up to the task!!!
He isn't a 90m plus player in value even in today's market. He isn't Messi, He isn't Ronaldo, he isn't even Bale or Neymar. He isn't even Modric for that matter. He is just a good strong midfielder who has the odd moment of magic. He doesn't dominate games on his own and I doubt he ever will. He will be a decent player for us but never a world beater.
Yep exactly. We need a strong play maker who can dominate and dictate play. Then you may see the best of Pogba if played in a 3 man midfield with someone controlling the game from behind him. He is never going to control a game and win it on his own, he isn't that sort of player.
You refused to listen to the right people.
"just a decent player" some ridiculous posts in this thread that ignore all context. And I'm a poster that didn't really fancy him in the first place.
On another day, he'd be having a brace and we all be saying how fantastic he is. Just look at his thread from this time last week?
On another day, he'd be having a brace and we all be saying how fantastic he is. Just look at his thread from this time last week?
Inches away from a hat trick today and now he is an elephant in the room..fecking beezer
He was fecking shit today. And has been fecking shit a few times already this season. The excuses are wearing thin. We can't blame Fellaini today, right? An individual "lowlights" showreel from today's game would be as bad as any of the clips of Rooney stinking the place out that some people find hilarious.
I think/hope he'll come good but his slow start is hurting us and is a crushing disappointment after all the hype and expectations that he'd settle quicker than most because he's "coming home".
I think/hope he'll come good but his slow start is hurting us and is a crushing disappointment after all the hype and expectations that he'd settle quicker than most because he's "coming home".
He simply wasn't.
This is embarrassing.
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