Are they able to match the likes of City, Chelsea, likely Newcastle, Liverpool, and us if we get our act together, over several seasons? I'm not sure if they can.
Awaiting Chelsea’s fire sale: who goes where?
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Are they able to match the likes of City, Chelsea, likely Newcastle, Liverpool, and us if we get our act together, over several seasons? I'm not sure if they can.
Well they've already shown you don't need to spend big, you just need to spend smartly.
Good coaching will beat wild spending every time too.
Arsenal have a billionaire owner, if they need cash they can get it - but clearly as we've seen with Mudryk they won't go 'all out'. It could be a mistake perhaps.
Funny how the club managed to successfully complete a financially complicated record transfer at the deadline, but failed to send some very simple docments to let Ziyech leave on a loan. Learning that the player was literally sitting in PSGs offices waiting for the thing to be completed, only to learn that his professional future just got sabotaged by clownshoe incompetence at his own club must have made for one very awkard conversation.
This isnt "one of those things that happen". They sent the wrong documentation several times. Someone at Chelsea should not be employed in their position this morning.
This isnt "one of those things that happen". They sent the wrong documentation several times. Someone at Chelsea should not be employed in their position this morning.
Let's be honest, it always comes down to money. Spending big doesn't automatically equal success, but the team that spends both big and smart will nearly always win out. We're prepared to spend big, as are Chelsea, City, and likely Newcastle in the near future. Unless Arsenal's pockets are deeper than they let on, they will fall away.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Kovačić in the summer, given that his contract is expiring in 2024 and now that Enzo signed for a big fat fee.
He is such an underrated player, a perfect alternative for FDJ and could be available for a reasonable fee. Good age, I don't consider a player at 28 as old, and he would start a lot of games for us.
He is such an underrated player, a perfect alternative for FDJ and could be available for a reasonable fee. Good age, I don't consider a player at 28 as old, and he would start a lot of games for us.
Their going to have to sell so many players this summer and they can't afford to a player of his calibre run down his contract, given he has one year left he'll generate a decent profit for them.
Yeah changed the game at Stamford Bridge in October when he came on but like you say it won't be cheap one
It's interesting how highly rated Kova is on here. Think he'll be one of the first ones the club sees as dispensable in the summer, and one we could get a decent fee for.
Scrolling this thread ready to verbally assault anyone who suggests Mason Mount
Mendy is the one I would take, as I believe United need a more modern GK to fight for titles under Ten Hag
Mendy is the one I would take, as I believe United need a more modern GK to fight for titles under Ten Hag
Who's going to partner Enzo? You need a runner.
Kovacic should be targeting Utd or a RM return but imagine they’ll fob him off back to Inter
In the short term Kante/Kova/Zakaria take your pick. All of them are injury prone though so probably whoevers fit.
On Kova, he's been really underwhelming this season. Has had a tonne of niggly injury problems for a good few years now and has clear limitations has a player. Has a great niche in being press resistant and good dribbler. But has a tendency to overdribble at times, his passing outside of short/safe is not good at all, can score the 1 banger per season but overall shooting wise non existent.
He's a player that can and has obviously caught the eye because he's an extremely classy operator, but I don't think one that can be relied upon at all. Considering his contract situation I think he'll be gone in the summer.
True, given that Kovačić signed for Chelsea on a five-year deal for £40.25m earning £7.8m per year, speaking in Chelsea's amortization language their accountants should consider everything above ~£16m as a profit - bargain fee for a player of his quality. Not saying that he shouldn't/wouldn't cost more but with Chelsea, you never know.
Against Mount but you'd take Mendy!
I would have taken Broja as a backup player if circumstances had allowed it but noone else. How's CHO doing in Germany?
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Everytime. United have the most players in that list of most expensive league stars but with consideration to who was managing them it's no surprise the team was not productive when it came to winning.
Yeah. Jose/Chelsea wanted rid of him, United were under huge pressure to “do something” as the Moyes season went from bad to worse, so Chelsea gave Woodward a call and the helicopter was chartered. At no point did anyone consider whether Mata would be a good fit for Moyes’ United.
Kovačić might actually suit ETH’s United though.
Correct answer is Reece James or Ben Chillwell (at least for cover). None of the other players are good enough or approaching the end of their career.
Against Mount but you'd take Mendy!
Yep.
Mount is a ridiculously poor footballer who won't even be PL standard in 4 years time
Mendy is good from what I've seen and it seems Chelsea have been missing him. Would prefer another GK, but I'd take Mendy
Over the past two years Kepa has been pretty significantly better than Mendy, which is mind-boggling to say after the latter's form during our CL run in 20/21. Mendy's made so many huge errors compared to Kepa, and his shot-stopping numbers have crashed back down to Earth. Also a far worse passer.
Here's a link to compare them so far this year - Kepa is better at just about everything besides cross collection (where oddly Mendy used to excel but has been poor of late too):
https://fbref.com/tiny/U4ieX
[The Guardian] Chelsea will listen to offers this summer for Hakim Ziyech, Christian Pulisic, Kalidou Koulibaly, Mateo Kovacic and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang. Callum Hudson-Odoi is unlikely to stay once he returns.
On cue with what I thought earlier
On cue with what I thought earlier
Enzo is the runner? What he needs next to him would be a sitter + a CAM
The hope is Santos is the real deal, but he is very young.
Which is he? The sitter or the CAM? I've never heard of him before
Kante, Ziyech, Loftus-Cheek, Zakaria (end of loan) I expect will leave in the summer
Cucurella to Brighton on loan 23/24
Maybe Chalobah leaving to make room for another new signing as well
Cucurella to Brighton on loan 23/24
Maybe Chalobah leaving to make room for another new signing as well
Yeah I'm curious about that. We were discussing it if we were to sign him and if Casemiro would be a good partner.
I thought he's been employed as a #6 more than an #8. Sort of like Rodri or Jorginho.
He'd of worked for us as a Fred upgrade
Can do both I think. People who have seen him more say he's better as an 8 though with freedom to go forward.
We should definitely make a move for Kovacic. Swapping McT for him would be an incredible upgrade.
He has played the number 6 and 8 role in the Brazil U20 and Vasco de Gama, but also has 4 goals in his last 4 games. Chelsea owns him and is getting his paperwork together with the hope to get him playing time this season and see if he is ready to play a bigger role next. He is 18 now.
https://www.footballtransfers.com/e...is-andrey-santos-barcelona-brazilian-busquets
I will offer them 20 quid and a half eaten bag of moinster munch for the lot. Wouldn't touch any of them with a bargepole and Boehly may be about to find out selling players is a heck of a lot harder than buying them. The whole world knows they won't be able to register a bunch of players next season because of their bloated squad so all of the leverage will be with the buying clubs.
I wouldn't mind having Chalobah and Kovacic.
"Will listen to offers" means desperately attempt to sell in this context.
I think clubs will offer loans or only poverty bids for all these players except Kovacic.
Nobody is taking Koulibaly and his contract at age 32, maybe a loan where Chelsea partially subsidizes the wages.
Ziyech and Pulisic both have the issue of failing in the PL and needing to be sold abroad, where nobody has money and the few clubs with money will want a higher ceiling solution. Loans or very cheap deals.
Auba will get no interest at all and you'll have to pay him off to leave via contract termination.
CHO is still young and English, so a club like Forest might buy him, but whether he'd be willing to take that kind of step down I don't know.
Never said we would sell them all just highlighted Kova because I had a feeling he'd be one we'll look to move on. With Ziyech and Pulisic I think it will 100% be a sale at a big loss due to their contract situations.
He’s a midfielder that can’t pass?
What makes you think Antony will be better than Saka?
Kovacic clearly divides opinion in this thread
Not sure what the relevance is there. Is the case for Arsenal solely dependent on Saka?
For me I think:
Zakaria Loan End
Felix Loan End
Kante. Contract End
Ziyech. £6m on the accounts so anymore than that is profit
RLC. Sell for £15-25m all profit
Broja. Sell for £20-30m all profit
CHO Sell for £20-30m all profit
Pulisic. Not sure it we’ll sell but wouldn’t be surprised
Gallagher. Maybe £40m but again not sure
Nkunku and Rice in
Zakaria Loan End
Felix Loan End
Kante. Contract End
Ziyech. £6m on the accounts so anymore than that is profit
RLC. Sell for £15-25m all profit
Broja. Sell for £20-30m all profit
CHO Sell for £20-30m all profit
Pulisic. Not sure it we’ll sell but wouldn’t be surprised
Gallagher. Maybe £40m but again not sure
Nkunku and Rice in
He was absolutely terrible before losing his place to Kepa. He's also definitely not a "modern" goalkeeper, he's absolutely dreadful with his feet.
Just find it curous why you think Arsenal cant be long term challengers when we are current challengers. and our squad is really young and therefore still has a natural progresison rate.
Your saying Newcastle would view Man United as more of a long-term threat than Arsenal. Im wondering on what basis