Autumn Internationals

@ivaldo - Not that there were any posts, but this has kind of become the rugby union thread

Good start from England, I hope Jones is annoyed at them for that defence in the last 10-15 of the first half, not good enough, lacking intensity. I know the game was won, but hopefully he let's them know he was disappointed. I don't think they would switch off against better opposition

Ireland v NZ coming up now

Wales 33-3- Japan isn't a great result - anyone watch the game
 
EdWeatherall said:
@ivaldo - Not that there were any posts, but this has kind of become the rugby union thread

Good start from England, I hope Jones is annoyed at them for that defence in the last 10-15 of the first half, not good enough, lacking intensity. I know the game was won, but hopefully he let's them know he was disappointed. I don't think they would switch off against better opposition

Ireland v NZ coming up now

Wales 33-3- Japan isn't a great result - anyone watch the game
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Says it all about Wales that they had to rely on a last minute drop kick to win against Japan. They were so gash.

Japan are a cool team though, really positive team.
 
I don't know if you have any South African mates? It's brilliant to see..
 
Big, big game in Dublin tonight. If Australia's last two games are anything to go by, it'll be a close one.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Should have been. It's a bit like saying it's not deemed dangerous unless the tackled player breaks his neck!
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Exactly

If they want to stamp out dangerous tackles - which was the directive these AIs - then that needs yellow, as did a lot of the NZ tackles against Ireland
 
Penalty try and yellow card. Don't often see those given as penalty tries!
Game over at 16-0. Can't see Argentina beating England now
 
Ireland win.

Is the Northern hemisphere better than the South at the moment?? For the first time in my living memory.
 
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Phil said:
Ireland win.

Is the Northern hemisphere better than the South at the moment?? For the first time in my living memory.
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This is the worst Springbok team in history perhaps and Australia are woefully inconsistent.

I don't think the North are conclusively better though, although England are better than both SA and AUS.NZ are still ahead of of everyone else though.
 
K2K said:
This is the worst Springbok team in history perhaps and Australia are woefully inconsistent.

I don't think the North are conclusively better though, although England are better than both SA and AUS.NZ are still ahead of of everyone else though.
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Yeah it's probably not conclusive at all!

You'd have:
NZ by a country mile
England

Could you still say Australia are next? I'm not sure.
 
Phil said:
Yeah it's probably not conclusive at all!

You'd have:
NZ by a country mile
England

Could you still say Australia are next? I'm not sure.
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Same order as you

Australia ,France,Wales ,Ireland and Argentina make the next batch.Id still have the Aussies just ahead.They arent the vest away from home though .

Then the minnows:Scotland,Italy,SA,Japan.,
 
Ireland have beaten Australia in 3 of their last four meetings, including at the world cup in NZ.

We just beat their first team with our first choice 7, 10, 12 out and having lost our 13, 14 and 15 in the first half.

I think we're a better side than them now. I'd agree that NZ and England are ahead of us.
 
It's

NZ
Eng
Ire

I would think.

The 6 nations game in Dublin could be a cracker
 
Game was decided in the first half when Ireland were dominant and Australia couldn't get any possession of any significance, unlike Ireland. The Wallabies seem to get little sympathy nowadays from fans of other countries when it comes to officials but it did feel like one team was being refereed in this game. If the Wallabies had started better, played better and had more of the ball early on, things might have been different. No issue at all with the two yellow cards though. Ireland must be doing something right in the eye of refs at the moment and their opponents must be doing a lot wrong in comparison when you look at 27-7 penalty count in their favour in recent weeks.

Wallabies also need to look at themselves as well. You can't expect to win many games when you're so clearly outplayed for a half and when you waste try scoring opportunities through poor handling and a forward pass. Got away with it against Wales a few weeks back where they bombed 2-3 tries and it bit them on the arse vs Ireland. At least against England there's going to be no grand slam related pressure heading into the game, just the pressure to beat the old enemy for the first time since that World Cup flogging.

Allister Coetzee will be relieved of his duties as South African coach soon enough. Their biggest ever loss to Wales is yet another record of negative connotations that have come this year. Biggest ever loss to New Zealand, first ever home loss to Ireland, first loss in Argentina, biggest loss and losing margin at home suffered vs New Zealand in Durban and a first loss to England in a decade all managed in 2016. No coach will survive that you'd think.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Game was decided in the first half when Ireland were dominant and Australia couldn't get any possession of any significance, unlike Ireland. The Wallabies seem to get little sympathy nowadays from fans of other countries when it comes to officials but it did feel like one team was being refereed in this game. If the Wallabies had started better, played better and had more of the ball early on, things might have been different. No issue at all with the two yellow cards though. Ireland must be doing something right in the eye of refs at the moment and their opponents must be doing a lot wrong in comparison when you look at 27-7 penalty count in their favour in recent weeks.

Wallabies also need to look at themselves as well. You can't expect to win many games when you're so clearly outplayed for a half and when you waste try scoring opportunities through poor handling and a forward pass. Got away with it against Wales a few weeks back where they bombed 2-3 tries and it bit them on the arse vs Ireland. At least against England there's going to be no grand slam related pressure heading into the game, just the pressure to beat the old enemy for the first time since that World Cup flogging.

Allister Coetzee will be relieved of his duties as South African coach soon enough. Their biggest ever loss to Wales is yet another record of negative connotations that have come this year. Biggest ever loss to New Zealand, first ever home loss to Ireland, first loss in Argentina, biggest loss and losing margin at home suffered vs New Zealand in Durban and a first loss to England in a decade all managed in 2016. No coach will survive that you'd think.
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Coetzee has come up with the excuse that '' He only started in April and this needs more time''.Couple that with Adrian Strauss pulling a 'Vidic'as captain,and this has all the hallmarks of that Moyes season.
 
I want to add something from my earlier post. My rant about the ref was one eyed even though I stand by the belief that one side was refereed, I forgot to mention something the Irish have a right to be miffed at. In the first twenty minutes, Jerome Garces repeatedly penalised Australia and they were lucky not to be warned or have a player sin binned for repeated infringements. From my experience watching Garces referee test matches, he is keen deal with repeated infringements in a very strong and decisive manner.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I want to add something from my earlier post. My rant about the ref was one eyed even though I stand by the belief that one side was refereed, I forgot to mention something the Irish have a right to be miffed at. In the first twenty minutes, Jerome Garces repeatedly penalised Australia and they were lucky not to be warned or have a player sin binned for repeated infringements. From my experience watching Garces referee test matches, he is keen deal with repeated infringements in a very strong and decisive manner.
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Ye were also lucky to get away without a red card for the first tip tackle, when it's just about a month since he sent off earls for the same thing.
First team to beat the big 3 in the same year since the 2003 English team.
 
christy87 said:
Ye were also lucky to get away without a red card for the first tip tackle, when it's just about a month since he sent off earls for the same thing.
First team to beat the big 3 in the same year since the 2003 English team.
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I don't remember the tip tackle you're referring to, sorry.
 
The likes of Ireland, Wales, Scotland etc, have to prove their worth against SA and Australia in a World Cup. But these series will have done wonders for their confidence going into 2019, I just hope it's not too soon, similar to this run of form for England.
 
Zen said:
The likes of Ireland, Wales, Scotland etc, have to prove their worth against SA and Australia in a World Cup. But these series will have done wonders for their confidence going into 2019, I just hope it's not too soon, similar to this run of form for England.
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Yet again we've beaten Australia 3 of the last 4 times we've played them including in the last World Cup. We're clearly, currently, a better side than South Africa too. We've beaten NZ and given them their toughest test in 2 consecutive games. The second one we were decimated early by injuries. I think it's pretty clear Ireland arethe 3rd best team in the World. 6 nations against England will be a huge game.
 
Australia have bleated a lot about the referee yesterday but I thought they clearly went out there with the intention of slowing ball with very, very lazy rolling away on the wrong side of the tackle.

It was painfully obvious and had to have been a predetermined tactic. The problem for them was that Garces caught on to it early and they failed to react to him penalising it.

That, and the fact that for 2/3s of the match, Ireland dominated possession and territory resulted in the unbalanced penalty count. As against NZ the week before, the side with the lions share of the ball and territory in rugby, will always concede fewer penalties.

Ireland were fortunate with a couple of decisions, especially O'Mahony going in from the side near our line at the end. But there certainly wasn't only one side reffed and Oz could have come off far worse had repeated infringements been dealt with harder, or the letter of the law been followed with regards tipping.

As it was, I was glad the ref showed restraint and avoided the red card. We got to enjoy abothrt cracking test match against a fine side.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I don't remember the tip tackle you're referring to, sorry.
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Considering the stance they're meant to be taking on incidents involving the head head, if it had been an Irish player doing that to an Australian I don't think we could have had too many complaints if a red card had been given. It could have had a very, very serious outcome.

However, the refs seems to have rowed back on giving them out lately. I just hope that wherever the line-to-cross settles down to be, that the refs are consistent on it in the 6N, for example.
 
To be fair, I'm not really questioning whos the third best team in the world. I'm talking about Ireland and Wales stepping up when it matters in a World Cup, the only real reason one of them has made a semi recently is because they faced each other in the second round, the talent they've had has deserved and you can only say they've underperformed a fair whack when it comes to those crunch games, even Wales vs France in 2011, while the ref gets a ton of slack for it....the team underperformed. Need to get over that, they need to find a way to play these like they play England.
 
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Considering the stance they're meant to be taking on incidents involving the head head, if it had been an Irish player doing that to an Australian I don't think we could have had too many complaints if a red card had been given. However, the refs seems to have rowed back on giving them out lately. I just hope that wherever the line-to-cross settles down to be, that the refs are consistent on it in the 6N, for example.
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Actually, looking at it again, i would have fount it hard to argue with a red card. Tony Johnson has described Nigel Owens as a ''populist'' referee, claiming Owens isn't keen on making decisions/recommendations that could ''ruin'' a game. Mumm ought to cop a ban for the England game.
 
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