Perhaps you could point me to just one example of the opposite happening then, if it’s so easy.
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Perhaps you could point me to just one example of the opposite happening then, if it’s so easy.
But transfer window is not open yet 
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.Liverpool in 19-20.
Interestingly City finished 4th with the best attack in 15-16. It's one of the few seasons where they didn't have the best or second best defense.
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I don't need to. I never claimed either position was more important than the other. You did, and said anyone who didn't agree with you is wrong/doesn't understand football, and then gave one vague example from nearly a decade ago as "proof". You said it yourself, it's not easy, there are many factors at play that determine what position is currently most important for a team to address and how much money they think it's worth spending on a player in order to address it. You win titles with good teams, not by just building a great defense or great attack. I suggest before you categorically tell everyone they're wrong and don't understand the game in future that you consider the proof behind why you're saying that, and whether there is any or you just think your opinion is more valid.
So 80 to 100 million gets you good players in today’s game?
It's clearly been an auction between 3 of the best/richest teams in the world. Sometimes that drives up the price.
Is he worth that much? probably not. Do Madrid care? not in the slightest. They've stuck one back to PSG by stealing one of the biggest french talents away.
Depressing isn’t it. I’ve come to terms with the fact that they’d win the champions league with their reserve team. It’s just what they do.
There is high demand for this guy and PSG trying to get him surely increased the price but this is 'normal' (it's still a lot of money) when there's so much interest for a player.
Getting a deal like we did for Camavinga, or Kroos back on the day, are really nice but the price tag alone doesn't guarantee anything so I'm fine with getting him. Modric, Casemiro and Kroos are all above 30 we won the league rather comfortably but in he UCL we sufferd and whenever one of Casemiro or Modric is unavailable, or having a bad game, we would struggle a lot. So our midfield can do with one more player while giving more rest to the veteran players.
Think I'm the only one who feels it's not a crazy price, the kid is special and I'm jealous Real got him. Real have their midfield locked down for quite a while now.
Chelsea 04-05 scored 15 goals less than Arsenal but walked the league because of their defence. Lampard was their top scorer with13 goals. Drogba got 10 and nobody else got double figures. Almost 20 years ago but then your example is a decade old too.
2nd signing in 1 month
They are going to complete alla their summer transfer activity before 1st july
This how a club works
They are going to complete alla their summer transfer activity before 1st july
This how a club works
I would probably be wrong but I have a gut feeling that this kid won't work out for them.
We'll see.
We'll see.
This is how a club works when a huge % of the players in the world want to play there as their dream club. This has always been the case for RM. This has never been the case for United. Never. Even at the height of our powers under Fergie we still played second fiddle to the likes of RM.
It doesn’t excuse what our club should be doing, which is working to get at least one midfield signing in before the window opens.
Conte's Juve dominated in Italy with Matri and Vucinic as the main attackers. In midfield we had Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio and Pogba. In defence we had Chiellini, Bonucci, Barzagli and Lichtsteiner. In goal we had Buffon. Take a wild guess which position was the least important to our success.
Strange they signed him and not pogba ahahaha
Yes agreed. The cream goes to RM. But are there no players who fit our plans and would consider playing for us? Season after season we dither and delay and end up signing turds for big money. No big club operates like that.
Precisely why I’ve kept saying if United truly want half a squad then £300 million isn’t going to cut it. On top of that, English clubs sell for far less than a foreign club would, in addition to poor form and a need to sell - player sales will amount to about 1 extra player.
So if a “300 mil war chest” is accurate, you’ll get approximately 5 players at the level you should be aiming for.
Maybe some british and they're crap and expensive. No French player dreams to play at United. Less in our current form. We don't offer nothing.
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If the only way you can find a good player is by spending £60m, then you need a better scouting system.
Just in the last year, Liverpool bought Diaz for £38m+bonuses and Konate for £36m; Arsenal bought Odegaard for £30m, Ramsdale for £30m, and Tomiyasu for £18m; Spurs bought Romero for £40m + a loan fee and will end up spending around £38m for Kulusevski in total assuming they make his transfer permanent; City bought Julian Alvarez for £15m, etc. That's without even getting into clubs lower down the table who have bought excellent players like Cucurella, Guimaraes, Guehi, etc for reasonable fees in the last year.
There are a lot of good players out there.
I thought Real Madrid were in trouble financially. Clearly not the case. They have found a bottomless pit of money from somewhere.
Austerity during the pandemic keeping the club actually in profit will do that
And the club wasn't in financial trouble anyway, just investing its money on infrastructure.
Mourinho's title teams were based on their defence. United in 08/09 had great attacking players but was a team built off of a great defence and we went like 14 games in a row without conceding. Liverpool as the example you mention had the same attack in 17/18 and 18/19, but went from a top 4 team to title contenders and winners because they brought in world class CB, GK and DM. Hell, Ngolo Kante was the key reason that Leicester and then Chelsea won the league, and was key for France too. You don't win things if you aren't balanced defensively and don't have someone to hold it together in midfield. That DM position is one of the most important positions in world football these days, as it's the glue that holds the team together. Real Madrid under Zidane was struggling at first with Kroos and Modrić, until he decided to introduce Casemiro, make it a 3 and they turned into a dominant team and won 3 CL in the bounce.
I'm not saying it's more important. But it's all tactics dependent. And one thing you'll see across a variety of tactics... Is that one of the most vital players in any modern system is that defensive balance in midfield. It's the pivot that gives freedom and the base for the headline grabbing footballers to do their thing, they get the ball effectively to those players, they snuff out opposition attacks before they develop, they form a wall to protect the defence... It is much easier to build a team if your midfield is balanced. Your attackers then have a perfect setting to go into and do their thing. Salah at United wouldn't exactly be doing all that much, given how we've been the past few years. Balance that midfield out and then put him in, and sure! But there's a reason why all the great teams tend to have a great midfield balance.
I'll ask you again though. What would you pay for a Roy Keane? Or a prime Kante? Or a prime Makelele? Or a prime Vieira? It's over 100m, easily.
I understand that he is very good, there were other teams very interested and the clubs know that we have money, but paying 100 million for a defensive midfielder...
I'm a bitter but it's not a signing I'm particularly excited about, although I'm grateful he chose Madrid.
They have already bought Casemiro's replacement, now please, a creative midfielder.
I'm a bitter but it's not a signing I'm particularly excited about, although I'm grateful he chose Madrid.
They have already bought Casemiro's replacement, now please, a creative midfielder.
Not sure about the price.
Glad to get the player. Not 100% yet.
IF we get him I think we will become a physical monster of a team defensively. Camavinga, Casemiro, Tchouameni, Velverde in the midfield. Mendy, Rüdiger and Militao in backline. A bit worried about the creativity.
Glad to get the player. Not 100% yet.
IF we get him I think we will become a physical monster of a team defensively. Camavinga, Casemiro, Tchouameni, Velverde in the midfield. Mendy, Rüdiger and Militao in backline. A bit worried about the creativity.
High press baby
Also, Camavinga should definitely turn into more of a playmaker, and with Rudiger it's likely Alaba will slot back to the wing, that's another playmaker added to the attack - crucially without losing a deep playmaker thanks to Rudiger -
If Rodrygo explodes like Vini next season, we'll be fine in terms of creative players. Playmaking doesn't have to come from midfield. During our most successfull period since the 50s, it come from the wings
What an absolutely ridiculous response to what I said. How did you get what I say and then turn into race? Weird weird man.
Maybe it's just me but these graphs never "easily" explain anything to me because I have no idea what any of it means.
You can laugh but at least I have the balls to say what everyone thinks.
This is good news, but a lot can change in a year's time. At the moment in 22/23 we will be running a lot, and recovering balls, but creativity depends on a 37 year old player.
@giorno says Camavinga can fill that role(hopefully he is right), I personally doubt it, no disrespect to Camavinga.
Maybe also Hazard might actually show upHigh press baby
Also, Camavinga should definitely turn into more of a playmaker, and with Rudiger it's likely Alaba will slot back to the wing, that's another playmaker added to the attack - crucially without losing a deep playmaker thanks to Rudiger -
If Rodrygo explodes like Vini next season, we'll be fine in terms of creative players. Playmaking doesn't have to come from midfield. During our most successfull period since the 50s, it come from the wings
I do enough of that at work, though. I spend my days looking at graphs and spreadsheets before laughing and explaining why I won't give anyone the money they want for the shit that they need. Football should be simple. Just some fat bloke wearing a cap saying things like "the lad can kick the ball really well and he runs his socks off."
Read the words.
Should probably advise him not to be involved in sexual assaults then
To be honest people shouldn’t throw around such comments when there is no charge.
Too expensive for his actual value: he's still a work in progress.
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