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Aurelien Tchouameni / Signs for Madrid
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So Nothing like Pogba at all .
He's not like Pogba, he's a versatile midfielder with a strong defensive game. I see him as a DM long-term, depending on he's partnered with.
Similar to Pogba in stature, body build. Not playing style.
I'd actually say he's most like Fred in playing style. He's a work horse with great tackling and pressing ability.
If we get ten Haag as manager then it’s most likely that VDB will get a lot more playing time, we will still obviously target a dm but if we play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 next season then it could be, VDB DM and Bruno. Which would give us good balance I think.
Great way of saying that you've never actually watched him play...
Fair enough. So good acquisition but again would require us buying another midfielder to partner him if we do a double pivot.
Why would you think Ten Haag would rate VDB good enough for the new level he is managing at.
Also where in Ten Haag's football system does VDB and Bruno play in the same midfield? Just a general question. Obviously I believe VDB and Bruno cannot play together in a midfield 3 or that VDB is good enough for a top class Premier League pivot.
Hot take - what if he prefers VDB over Bruno in a midfield 3? There's no way of knowing who he opts for in his system if or when he arrives.
It's not a hot take he might very much well like him. But Bruno will be an expensive bench player club politics will prevent this.
Neves/Tchouameni would be a nice pairing if that's the plan, and a definite upgrade.
They can easily play together, especially in a 4-2-3-1, have a more defensive midfielder partnering VDB and then Bruno in front. There’s always a way to fit in your best players… them 2 can play together more then pogba and Bruno can i would say… if VDB is good enough for Ajax then he’s certainly good enough for us as they have been playing at a much higher level then us for the past few years. Why would the united board even buy VDB if he wasn’t good enough for this level?
I wish football worked like that but it doesn’t.
We’ve had two managers now who have refused to play him in a double pivot 8. He might very well be good enough there in the Dutch league but clearly there is an issue there in the Prem. I also believe it’s because his better position is as an advanced midfielder which is where he built his reputation in the Champions League.
Also there are many of examples of players being good in the Dutch league but not being transferable in the Prem.
Also West Ham away was a clear example of who he’s nowhere near Pogba’s level and will never be.
These double standards are infuriating, Pogba has more games where he was nowhere near his supposed level than he has games at this fictitious level, same with Scot and Fred but it's Donny that gets to pay the price for a few poor showings. You talk of VdB's poor game at West Ham, haven't we seen similarly poor games from Bruno, Pogba and Scot? But have they been exiled from the team for that?
VDB may not be Roy Keane incarnated but his level of disuse even when our midfield can't even do the basics well and is at this level points to something other then football.
Then you defer to Ole's opinion and RR's as if they are infallible when evidence on the ground points otherwise. There is a reason why RR was in the backwaters in Russia and Ole is back fishing in Norway. The boy played in a CL semi final just three years ago, something we last did almost ten years ago and we are supposed to believe that he is so bad that he can't even get one start in the PL, with respect that's nonsense.
I think RR is still deferring to those who were here before him and his selections reflect that. It's understandable because he has been here five minutes and COVID interrupted him so he is just starting to form his own opinions on players and the team.
Have a look at where and how he played for Ajax
It's not really going to help since he has played well and a lot in various positions for Ajax. As a B2B in a midfield two or midfield three, as an AM in a 4231 and even as the DM in a 433.
No, not really. He has done a good-ish job in a variety of roles in the Eredivisie. Actually excelled in only one, both in CL and at National Level. It's the same role Bruno Fernandes excels in
'Versatility' aside, at this point, everyone should remember how all the Eredivisie-watching posters were screaming out that DvB played in Bruno's position and we might be in for some trouble.
This is what I said too.
VDB's intelligent runs and finishes happen from CAM.
When he plays as a CM, he is also making those intelligent runs - but it leaves the other midfield partner by himself which can be horrible on counter attacks.
VDB is fine in a 3 man midfield with a proper anchorman type CDM that allows him to do his thing - but I don't see him "safe" in a double pivot.
VDB's intelligent runs and finishes happen from CAM.
When he plays as a CM, he is also making those intelligent runs - but it leaves the other midfield partner by himself which can be horrible on counter attacks.
VDB is fine in a 3 man midfield with a proper anchorman type CDM that allows him to do his thing - but I don't see him "safe" in a double pivot.
I like this comment but then you went back on yourself with your last paragraph. If Ralph doesn’t pick him as far as I’m concerned he don’t like him!!!
If he is in a double pivot with a 'proper anchorman type CDM that allows him to do his thing' then he is perfectly fine there just as he in a 'three' with said holding player behind him.
So he can’t fit into our midfield anywhere other then number 10? Ralf plays 2 of them and he still can’t start
he’d easily walk into our midfield if Fred and mctominay can start week in week Out.Spot on. Couldn’t agree with you more.
If he can, then why doesn't he? And of course he won't play as an AM when you have Bruno, Sancho and PogbaSo he can’t fit into our midfield anywhere other then number 10? Ralf plays 2 of them and he still can’t start
He's maybe a top level player as an AM. Everything else and he's average at best
Alright then, so what if Bruno, sancho and pogba are all playing awful? Do we just keep selecting them because of the name or do we actually give people chances who deserve it? There’s a reason them players are always playing bad it’s because they know no matter what they won’t be dropped.
Sure. If those guys play like shite and he still doesn't get chances, then he should get the hell out asap
Is he better than Zakaria. Can they play together.
It's just infuriating how people go to lengths to justify a wrong simply because it is being done by people in authority. We get it, he hasn't impressed when he got the chance to play but it surely isn't as bad as we have seen from the ones favored with stinking up the place in midfield week in, week out.
Hard to give a real answer on that as Zakaria isn’t the same player he was pre injury and is playing in that awful Monchengladbach team but in a better team with better players would obviously show his talent, as a free transfer at the end of the season he as well as Kamara are no brainers in my opinion.
I would say Tchouameni has a higher ceiling than Zakaria and Kamara and he would be my second choice after Rice for who we should sign for that defensive midfield problem we’ve had for years, no matter what though there’s no way even our incompetent board can mess up getting quality midfielders in as there’s going to be a lot available this summer.
Looks like time to start watching Monaco now. When tier 1 reported then we are definitely showing a high interest in the player and he could be in our top list.
I thought Chelski were favourites to sign him!
Yeah so did I
Don't Chelsie already have an overload of mid players? I don't think that's a priority for them . Their midfield as it it stands is world class controlling games against high class opponents like Liverpool and giving city a run for their money so I don't think they need another one.
It will be Barça or Real next week and maybe Juve the week after.....got to save something for mid and end of January
0-0 draw vs Nantes.
Was he the reason defensively they kept a clean sheet or the reason they couldn't score themselves?
How was he yesterday?
Was he the reason defensively they kept a clean sheet or the reason they couldn't score themselves?
How was he yesterday?
Did not watch the game, but no player alone has the sole responsibility for either. Reading a bit about the game, it seems he was very dominant (as he usually is).
Seems like a very good player and a special talent.
We'd be mad not to be in for him.
A ready made player for the premier league if I've ever seen one.
Does he have a release clause?
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