Yeah, but this chap is already quite prominent being one of the young breakout stars in his league recently so I'd argue that it isn't even a hidden gem they need to unearth. With us being the only major major club with a gaping hole in CM, seems like a straightforward deal. Only thing is whether we want to play it extra safe and go domestic, or maybe we actually want a proper destroyer.
Aurelien Tchouameni / Signs for Madrid
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It says you support Real Madrid
I noticed you support Real Madrid so I just wondered why you posted it here.
Chill out!
We could've sold VDB and Lingard to fund an "up-coming cheaper" CM/DM, but hold out for more money or just refuse to sell. It's obvious Ole is looking another "extra safe" well known expensive player.
It just seems like Ole doesn't trust the scout system for this type of "less safe" player. He dodged the bullet with Longstaff. feck me, whoever recommended him.
Chelsea were also linked with Rice
True but their need for a DM/CM is much lesser than ours IMO, at least as things stand. Jorginho, Kovacic, Kante and Saul is quite a good set of midfielders.
I wouldn't mind Chelsea getting Rice tbh.
No trust yet signed Amad for a huge fee for a player of his experience, yeah ok then
Yeh sorry you're right. Look at how Ole used Amad and VDB (that summer buy) so frequently last season; when 5 subs allowed.
Oh how about this season? No.. one was set to be out on loan, the other is still picking up his nose on the bench. I bow to your reasoning.
He was the Ligue 1 young player of the season last season. He's been on the lips of every Chelsea and United fan I've come across on twitter. I'd hardly class him as a hidden gem. Maybe last summer, before his breakout season, but he's probably one of the most talked about young players in Europe right now.
If we signed every hidden gem that gets hyped up we have have a team of overrated 21 year olds and be in Arsenals position.
I've been saying it for a while, this guy is the perfect player for us. Will suit the english game also. I'm sure Pogba will be going back with glowing reports to Ole.
And all stuck on 5yr contacts
How do you or anyone know which players are recommended by scouts?
Also do you think scouts from one of the biggest club don't know a player who plays for Monaco and French national team? We will probably have scout reports of the young players who will be taking their mommy's to put on their kit.
I put quotes of hidden gem. As in, he's not as obvious player as Varane, Maguire, Sancho. I thought that was pretty obvious clue. He's in "less safe" category; the category that the scout system has, so far, not given Ole a good return.
Much as United have needed a DM. Not going after Saul probably means we'll go after Declan Rice. He's younger and would be EXACTLY what we need. Noone else will have the clout or the money to get him the next window.
People forget that there was no guarantee that Monaco would be willling to sell this summer unless for stupid money. They didn’t want to let go of Badiashile last year.
Didn't we sign Pellistri, Amady, Daniel James?
Also that monaco kid isn't obvious player just like AWB wasn't obvious player, both had very less experience at top level.
Do you think those three have given Ole a good return, as in they can be any good use by Ole? Ole has had no use for Pellistry and Amady last season and this season. And enough said about James.
AWB? hah.. he's one of the borderline obvious one. Then it's not really a raging success either.
So does he sign players which what what you’re on about, based on scouting? Or are you confusing not utilising then with not signing them? I don’t bow to your understanding as it’s confusing moving the goal posts around crap.
Ok, so how do you know which players were recommended by scouting team? Do you think all the players recommended by scouting team will be signed by the club or lets say all the hidden gems (not sure how he is a hidden gem) recommended by scouting team will be signed?
Also if that Monaco kid was signed, you would have said he was obvious signing as we lacked a proper CM.
But we didn't. That's the point. Even if we did, I want to see if Ole will use him frequently, and the player can be any good also.
Although credit to the scouts who found Bruno though.
A club not entertaining offers isn’t accepted on the Caf, we need to sign anyone and everyone
Monaco are shrewd dealers, they’ll sign his replacement before they look to sell him. I don’t believe he’s agitated to move yet, so they’re in no hurry as he’s getting better, so his value will only go up.
That's not the point. Based on action of the people who are in charge of transfers, you are commenting on which players were or were not recommended by scouts.
Even if we signed and Ole didn't play him then you would have said "returns was not good"
Short video but shows a good variety of his capabilities, speed, strength, comfortable on the ball, strong in the tackle, physical presence, and capable of a range of passes.
This is a player I wouldn't want us to miss out on.
If. But we don't.
And of course if Ole didn't play him, returns is no good. I'm confused here. It's even further strengthen the theory that's why Ole prefers a "safe" players, instead of "less safe" by the scout system.
You keep missing the point for some odd reason.
How do you know which player was recommended? Do you think all the players recommended by scouts will be signed?
Wut? I was commenting that Ole prefers the "safe" players , because the return of "less safe" players by scout system hasn't given Ole a good return. So far.
Hidden Gems these days are 14 years old, not playing for France and Monaco
Is it? Back to the first point, how do you or anyone know which players were recommended to come up with "their recommendations are not successful" or "Ole doesn't trust scout system to come up with hidden gem"
Also how is French International player playing for Monaco a hidden gem when casual viewer on caf knows that player.
sorry man. @roonster09 I've explained to the best i can. I have no energy going back and forth arguing the same point. It's 1 am here. Just say you're right and I'm wrong.
Is he a deep lying playmaker type?
No, he is closer to a box to box.
Do you feel like he is what we need in terms of a speciality? Or would you say we should get him to improve our box to box play/players?
I get what you're saying. Your point makes complete sense. Ole probably doesnt trust the recommendations from scouts that much, because the ones which were riskier like James, Amad, Pellistri havent really paid off...yet.
Its obvious what you meant. You dont need scouts to tell you about Maguire, Varane, Ronaldo, Bruno or Sancho. But its very very probable that scouts were the ones who unearthed Amad, Pellistri, James etc. Common sense, really.
I dont blame Ole for not taking huge risks/not trusting the less "proven" players at this stage. Its sink or swim time for Ole.
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I know you didn't ask me but I think we need a playmaker first and foremost however in the long term we need both as Fred and Mctominay are no great shakes. Ideally it would be DLP, B2B, Fred and Mctominay as our 4 options. So if this guy has huge potential as a box to box, and I'm liking what I see, then go for it, I say.
Our "problems" are tactical, so I don't know what we need, I don't know what Ole wants and expect from his midfield as a whole. Now Tchouaméni is a good prospect, I don't think that he is ready for a big move but in the right club(for example Bayern or Liverpool) he could do good things.
He was better than Camavinga last season this was said amoung many ligue 1 fans.
Sadly with us, only on the fan's lips.
Fair. Thanks.
For me personally I'm quite happy with Mctominay as our box to box, he has the ability to drive the ball forward, score a goal just as much as he is defensively able to influence the match.
I feel like what we need is 2 pure CDM; one being a deep lying playmaker to help us replace Carrick's era and give us some deep creativity. The other CDM we need is a more ball winning midfielder like Matic or a Makelele. Just as much as a Carrick or a scholes may need a ball winning midfielder next to him sometimes, the ball winning midfielder will likewise need that creativity next to them too.
If Tchouameni doesn't fit that bill then I'm not sure we would exactly be after him. I wonder if Pogba does leave and we do buy that creative player to play deeper instead then tchoumeni could join us as a more all rounded replacement for Pogba. However, it doesn't look the most likely to me.
Bissouma and this guy would be brilliant replacements for Matic and possibly Pogba. Giving us depth alongside McFred. We need to go all in before Chelsea get him in.
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