Auction-Trade Madness Draft - R1: Pat vs idmanager

With players at Career peaks, who will win this match?


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It's crazy how much your approach changes once you've won and realise nothing happens :lol:

:lol: Truer words never spoken.

Think of a more talented Savicevic with his dribbling probably of the same quality.

Top class player in all European campaigns Red star had at the time. He ran rings around players like Rijkaard and Baresi and led the team that almost knocked out prime Sacchi team if not for the Belgrade fog.

Excellent playmaker capable of operating wide. Top class dribbler with incredible vision and high work rate to boot. Could have reached the very top heights of the game if it weren’t for his injuries.

Even past his prime you can see him playing at top level against Germany in 98 WC.

Good post mate, cheers!
 
Think Idmanager has his team spot on. Meazza is a bit underrated in these things mainly because of the times he played in and being a pre war player.

In terms of tactics he has had his team well prepared for the job in hand and excellent midfield.

On both their hand it’s hard to vote against Pat here with the plethora of favorite players he has in his team, led bay Piksi in #10 role and given the centerpiece.
 
You know shit about Meazza mate. Based on whatever I have read from you sofar.read my older posts in the threadabout Meazza. Or dont.
:lol: Yeah, and you're a fountain of knowledge about the likes of Voronin and Giles. I almost hope you win one of these drafts soon just so you calm down a bit with the constant crying about everything.

:lol:
 
idmanager stop being a constant drama queen.
Normal day at the office mate. I don’t think @idmanager means harm and every once in a while these threads become feisty.

He has drafted a really good team across the board and naturally you feel aggravated if you lose your opening game.
 
Think of a more talented Savicevic with his dribbling probably of the same quality.

Top class player in all European campaigns Red star had at the time. He ran rings around players like Rijkaard and Baresi and led the team that almost knocked out prime Sacchi team if not for the Belgrade fog.

Excellent playmaker capable of operating wide. Top class dribbler with incredible vision and high work rate to boot. Could have reached the very top heights of the game if it weren’t for his injuries.

Even past his prime you can see him playing at top level against Germany in 98 WC.
Yeah fine summary, he was class. :drool:
 
:lol:
I just had a grade school flashback

"After school, behind the auditorium, on the grass, let's fight!"

And then we’ll both swing our little fists wildly at the air around each other’s faces as everyone else slowly loses interest, walks away, and then we become best friends since everyone else thinks we’re now losers.
 
And then we’ll both swing our little fists wildly at the air around each other’s faces as everyone else slowly loses interest, walks away, and then we become best friends since everyone else thinks we’re now losers.
:lol:

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As has the other match thread?

After reading some of the comments from the drafters, I' m too scared to vote in case any of them find out my real name/address! :nervous:

Nah, drafters might get heated in match threads but after the match its all hugs and "let me buy you a drink!"

We are probably the least grudge holding sub-group on any football message board :D

I hate all my opponents during the match (looking at you @Skizzo) but after the match you lot are still my favorite posters
 
Nah, drafters might get heated in match threads but after the match its all hugs and "let me buy you a drink!"

We are probably the least grudge holding sub-group on any football message board :D

I hate all my opponents during the match (looking at you @Skizzo) but after the match you lot are still my favorite posters
I have a permanent disclaimer of everything I say to be considered as banter.
 
:lol: it was only down to @Enigma_87
You always lose the plot once in a while but true regardless if you have won or not one of these things it becomes more casual in the argument POV. :lol:

Still every time we square off with @Gio and @Theon i expect a minimum 6 page discussion and some sparks going off, but still apart from match threads going wild at some point it’s still forgotten afterwards and agree more on the casual point outside the draft game in question.
 
As has the other match thread?

After reading some of the comments from the drafters, I' m too scared to vote in case any of them find out my real name/address! :nervous:
To be fair I’m still catching up there as I’m still a bit drunk over a full day wine tour, but seems a fair few handbags have gone out. :lol:
 
Near identical goal scoring records only prove they were both good going forward. Proves nothing defensively.

@BeforeKeanetherewasRobson , probably could throw some light on Giles' midfield role.
Why me? Because I'm so fecking old I watched a player born in 1940?! I'm in my 40s not my 80s!

From my Dad (and what I've watched - NOT live!), he was excellent and him and Bremner worked perfectly together. Similar (ish) players with both operating well defensively and offensively but you'd probably say Bremner was a tough midfielder who could play when needed, whereas Giles was a fluid playmaking midfielder who could play hard when needed.
 
Why me? Because I'm so fecking old I watched a player born in 1940?! I'm in my 40s not my 80s!

From my Dad (and what I've watched - NOT live!), he was excellent and him and Bremner worked perfectly together. Similar (ish) players with both operating well defensively and offensively but you'd probably say Bremner was a tough midfielder who could play when needed, whereas Giles was a fluid playmaking midfielder who could play hard when needed.
:lol: Yeah, I remember getting a similar call-out once, even though said player had hit his peak before I was even born.
 
@idmanager is a good lad and offers a lot of good input in draft games , sometimes we can all take things to heart. He drafted a great team just unlucky to get drawn against @Pat_Mustard with that frontline.
 
Why are you assuming that the only reason anyone voted for Pat was because we’re scan voting? To reduce my, or anyone else’s, observation of thinking pat’s team may win to just looking at his strikers just reeks of a smug and condescending attitude, and a POV which has been discussed plenty of times before. People bitched at Edgar for trying to have a 5 member panel of the draft junkie elite, and people complained saying it should be available for everyone because it wasn’t fair to limit the votes...and now you’re complaining that votes are going for the opposition. I also don’t see what tactical masterclass you’ve put on besides a 433 formation? You hardly mentioned any special tactics or plans to stop his team?

I see Pat’s team in a set up that’s there to get the best out of his front two. A basic diamond, with supporting players. Are they as flashy as yours in all positions? Not at all. I’d personally probably take your whole midfield on a player by player basis, but that’s not to say that Pat’s don’t do exactly what they need to do.

You have Rivaldo, who famously hated playing wide left. Rivera who would drop deep then move forward to the AM spot. Meazza who you said would constantly be cutting inside. That’s your three best players all wanting to move centrally. Personally I think with such a poor opinion of Pat’s full backs, you’d have wanted those players to exploit their weaknesses, rather than relying on overlaps from Zambrotta. Just my observation at least.

Its not where a player likes to play but where he plays best.I remember Theo Walcott always said he wanted to play CF and saw himself as CF but who cares. His best was always at right wing no matter where he personally liked to play. Same with Ox really. He might fancy himself a CM but that doesn't mean that was where his best performances ever came from yea?
 
Its not where a player likes to play but where he plays best.I remember Theo Walcott always said he wanted to play CF and saw himself as CF but who cares. His best was always at right wing no matter where he personally liked to play. Same with Ox really. He might fancy himself a CM but that doesn't mean that was where his best performances ever came from yea?

True, but when the player is causing some disharmony because of it, you have to consider what he’s saying. That’s also in a club season where it’s over a period and what’s best for the club and for the season. In an all time, one off context, would he be happy playing in a position where he himself didn’t want to play?

It’s jist a consideration anyway, and some people might not care at all. It’s just something I considered and has been discussed before.

My family has convinced to me to put the disagreement behind us and I do not want the problem to stay with us for a long time.

I want to stay and win the European Champions Cup for Barca. Van Gaal and I agreed to differ and I have apologised for not agreeing to play on the left. For the good of Barcelona I will play in this position though at 28 years old I know myself where I am most effective.
 
True, but when the player is causing some disharmony because of it, you have to consider what he’s saying. That’s also in a club season where it’s over a period and what’s best for the club and for the season. In an all time, one off context, would he be happy playing in a position where he himself didn’t want to play?

It’s jist a consideration anyway, and some people might not care at all. It’s just something I considered and has been discussed before.

My counter would be some players might not play their best when they are happy but when they are mad ;)
 
True, but when the player is causing some disharmony because of it, you have to consider what he’s saying. That’s also in a club season where it’s over a period and what’s best for the club and for the season. In an all time, one off context, would he be happy playing in a position where he himself didn’t want to play?

Iirc he was playing that left wing role since 1997 and it was only in 2000 when he fell out for supposedly not wanting to play in left wing. I don't think it was the position that caused the unhappiness but more due to LvG's insistence on passing more and instructions to dribble less. Rivaldo is not a total footballer and tbh shunting a peak Rivaldo after winning his Balon d'Or to accommodate Kluivert in the middle is just ridiculous. One more case of "philosophy" not matching with player dynamics in the team.
 
Iirc he was playing that left wing role since 1997 and it was only in 2000 when he fell out for supposedly not wanting to play in left wing. I don't think it was the position that caused the unhappiness but more due to LvG's insistence on passing more and instructions to dribble less. Rivaldo is not a total footballer and tbh shunting a peak Rivaldo after winning his Balon d'Or to accommodate Kluivert in the middle is just ridiculous. One more case of "philosophy" not matching with player dynamics in the team.

Oh now you want to have some tactical input for once eh?
 
:lol:

Harsh on @idmanager excellent team and leading till the end before Ro-Ro sneaked a goal in. Congrats @Pat_Mustard I remember in earlier auction draft Annah shelling out on Messi, Xavi and Iniesta and then filling others with base price players.

Congrats @Pat_Mustard easy work should have been a much bigger margin in the score.

Cheers lads! Thank feck enough clueless scan voters turned out to sneak me over the line ;)

Why me? Because I'm so fecking old I watched a player born in 1940?! I'm in my 40s not my 80s!

From my Dad (and what I've watched - NOT live!), he was excellent and him and Bremner worked perfectly together. Similar (ish) players with both operating well defensively and offensively but you'd probably say Bremner was a tough midfielder who could play when needed, whereas Giles was a fluid playmaking midfielder who could play hard when needed.

Good post mate, and tallies with what I've seen of them. For all their reputation, that Leeds team actually played some fantastic football. From a modern perspective some of the brutality from that era is like a parallel universe.



I mean why the feck are the Liverpool players going out of their way to console Giles? And poor old Keegan seemingly begging the ref not to book him :lol:
 
Cheers lads! Thank feck enough clueless scan voters turned out to sneak me over the line ;)



Good post mate, and tallies with what I've seen of them. For all their reputation, that Leeds team actually played some fantastic football. From a modern perspective some of the brutality from that era is like a parallel universe.
When men were men?

And even the hard men sometimes got smacked.