Thanks, I agree about MJJ Chance creation
Auction Draft QF : MJJ vs. Willhse/Himannv
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Thanks, I agree about MJJ Chance creation
Gone for MJJ as Kalle with Panucci vs Alana and maybe a bit of Hazard will be a very creative avenue especially with Matthaus that side too.
I don't think MJJ will do that much damage on the left due to Garrincha holding Demyanenko back but will do enough on the right. Also MJJ has a lot more goal threat - stop Romario (easier said than done) then there's not many goals in the side.
All that said it is pretty close. I looked hard for a long time. TBF what initially swung it was the disparity in keeper quality
I don't think MJJ will do that much damage on the left due to Garrincha holding Demyanenko back but will do enough on the right. Also MJJ has a lot more goal threat - stop Romario (easier said than done) then there's not many goals in the side.
All that said it is pretty close. I looked hard for a long time. TBF what initially swung it was the disparity in keeper quality
votes for willamv for now, I prefer a more attacking setup and think they will create more chances. It will be hard against such a strong midfield unit of MJJ but I’m looking at mjj and see a back 7 and front 3 with not much there to link the play.
Kalle is playing as a false 9?
He is still playing in midfield? I don't expect him to go forward but he is there to win balls, beat players and lay it off? Do you think matic never attacks in our side?
Explain how playing with one would have that impact?
I will look into him a little more.
Being bluntly honest, a lot of these players in drafts I haven’t watched for years or since they actually played.
Obviously I’ve looked into playetsnive chose but not every opponent player.
I rely a lot on the vids and info each manager posts and their tactics.
To be honest I didn’t see much tactics written by either in this draft, just highlighting individual players. That’s why I asked a few questions to get an idea.
Maybe it would be best I refrain from voting in future drafts until I’m more clued up on all the players.
Obviously I’ve looked into playetsnive chose but not every opponent player.
I rely a lot on the vids and info each manager posts and their tactics.
To be honest I didn’t see much tactics written by either in this draft, just highlighting individual players. That’s why I asked a few questions to get an idea.
Maybe it would be best I refrain from voting in future drafts until I’m more clued up on all the players.
Netto. With Netto and Matthaus there, I am really not seeing the criticism that I don't have enough creativity.
Honestly speaking hte best way to learn is to participate, this is my first time picking netto. I had the wrong idea about him and only learned his playing style last match after reading a comment from harms and then googling him. And the more people that vote the better.
Matthaus at Inter was a talismatic 8 who took on a lot of playmaking however it seems clear to me though that he was never a classic playmaker and would flourish even more next to one. Ideally you'd ship out Metro and replace him with Luis Suarez Miramontes. Then that would be some midfield.
Also it's clear you don't get peak Sammer but he could play DM no problem. It's not as if he was undisciplined like say David Luis is
Also it's clear you don't get peak Sammer but he could play DM no problem. It's not as if he was undisciplined like say David Luis is
With lerby I understand that criticism but not with netto next to him. I wish I can get luis suarez next to him but I have a limited budget and unless I sell somebody I think focusing on right back and CB is more important if I get through.
Also, @GodShaveTheQueen I am not playing pele as a false 9? He is playing as a complete forward in FM terms, i.e. a striker with license to drop deep. More rooney/ibra than messi.
Demyanenko is a far better left back than yours! Decent?
That's not how it works though. You compare the fullback to the winger he's up against, and he's up against probably the best RW of all time. Demyanenko is a decent LB but he's not going to stop Garrincha.
I reckon Wright will struggle more against Romario. That pairing of Romario and Laudrup for me is just excellent and I see them combining well to get through Wright more often than not.
I think this post really summed their pairing up brilliantly:
Laudrup – Romario partnership
The reason for this partnership to work so brilliantly, is, well quite simple. Both players were absolute geniuses on the pitch but in different aspects of their game which complimented the other player's qualities. While Romario was one of the world's best in putting the ball inside the net from any place or any position possible, Laudrup was one of the world's best in providing balls to his strikers from any place or any position on the pitch.
Romario was bought in 1992, while Laudrup was already there for 4 seasons. It was enough for Romario to say the following as they easily won their first La Liga title together:
"The best player I have ever played with and the 4th best in the history of the game.
However, it was an understandable sentence for anyone who has seen them play together as they struck up an immediate partnership, Laudrup supplying the ammunition for the Brazilian's unfaltering finishes and making Romario the top goalscorer of 1993/94 La Liga season.
Quite simply they were an unstoppable force, whether there was a need to unlock a deep-seated defence with all players behind the ball or to pull up a devastating counter-attack while the opponent wasn't fully settled.
I will still definitely participate in the convos but don’t want to swing decisions with an uninformed vote
Alaba against kalle is a bigger mismatch than Demyanenko against Garrincha. Alaba has had what? Two good seasons at full back? And he is here against a multi balon d'or winner. Kalle is going to destroy him during the course of the match and I would not be surprised if he is sent off.
Nwow I am not denying that Garrincha won't have an edge but Demynaneko can match him for pace and has the likes of Sammer to help out when Garrincha beats him. Who is helping out alaba? Is moore leaving pele to go help him?
Laudrup is not going to be seeing much of the ball here with what he is up against and both mcgarth and wright can combine to stifle romario.
Alaba is stopping this guy from either scoring or passing to pele?
How are you guys accounting for the lack of work-rate from your front four?
I think a lot of people underestimate Hazard. He's exceptional with the ball at his feet and he's been the best player in the league for ages actually.
Here are a few GIFs of his work on the ball.
The following two videos are also good resources to see what he brings to the table:
The above vid highlights how he uses his dribbling to devastating effect to score and assist. However, his dribbling has other uses as the next video illustrates.
This is an all touch video of his performance against Brazil in the recent WC. Now this is a game where his goals and assists were not really what was needed. This was when his team needed an outlet; a leader to take the ball and give the opposition defense a torrid time, while keeping them out of possession. He pretty much dragged Belgium over the line by the scruff of their necks.
In this game he was just immense, taking the opposition on, drawing fouls, helping out the team in all phases of play: defense, midfield, and attack. It was not just a showcase of skill, but grit, determination, and a never-say-die attitude to ride challenges and keep on dribbling like the pro that he is. This was on the biggest stage and served to kick Brazil out of a tournament where they were one of the favourites.
Here are a few GIFs of his work on the ball.
The following two videos are also good resources to see what he brings to the table:
The above vid highlights how he uses his dribbling to devastating effect to score and assist. However, his dribbling has other uses as the next video illustrates.
This is an all touch video of his performance against Brazil in the recent WC. Now this is a game where his goals and assists were not really what was needed. This was when his team needed an outlet; a leader to take the ball and give the opposition defense a torrid time, while keeping them out of possession. He pretty much dragged Belgium over the line by the scruff of their necks.
In this game he was just immense, taking the opposition on, drawing fouls, helping out the team in all phases of play: defense, midfield, and attack. It was not just a showcase of skill, but grit, determination, and a never-say-die attitude to ride challenges and keep on dribbling like the pro that he is. This was on the biggest stage and served to kick Brazil out of a tournament where they were one of the favourites.
Hazard helps Alaba out defensively to some extent in my view. That's something that neither of your wing forwards offer.
If Sammer moves wide to deal with Garrincha, you pretty much lose the midfield battle, which is already precariously balanced with Robson, Varela and Laudrup vs Sammer, Netto and Matthaus. We're a bit more attack minded so shifting over your main defensive resource leaves us with a bigger foothold in this game. This mean Laudrup gets the ball more and links midfield with attack.
That's my last legal post during game time so I'm out. Will just leave with this last bit of Romario + Laudrup magic:
Hazard helps Alaba out defensively to some extent in my view. That's something that neither of your wing forwards offer.
If Sammer moves wide to deal with Garrincha, you pretty much lose the midfield battle, which is already precariously balanced with Robson, Varela and Laudrup vs Sammer, Netto and Matthaus. We're a bit more attack minded so shifting over your main defensive resource leaves us with a bigger foothold in this game. This mean Laudrup gets the ball more and links midfield with attack.
That's my last legal post during game time so I'm out. Will just leave with this last bit of Romario + Laudrup magic:
I am sorry? Hazard is going to be helping out more than stoickhov and rummenigge who both were known for their work-rate? Are we talking about the same hazard?
Laudrup is not going to contribute much if anything to the midfield battle, its basically varela(who is keeping half an eye on pele) and robson vs sammer, matthuas and netto!
Why? He is the main playmaker on the pitch, has Robson and Varela behind him. It is not like he is playing with a bunch of bums. If anything, that midfield looks just a bit more balanced to me, although there is no clear winner on either side.
You have clear advantage in attack, they do on the wings and threaten to pin your FB back while ideally you want overlapping ones with Kalle and Hristo. Demyanenko might do that, but then you risk Garrincha on the counter with Romario, Laudrup and Robson as options inside.
You do have a point about the defensive work-rate of their front 4 though.
It is too close for me, probably won't vote. Just passing by...
Varela is keeping an eye out on pele and is picking him when he drops deep. That leaves just Robson who will be battling against sammer, netto and matthaus. I dont think laudrup will see enough off the ball to have an impact. He will be on the fringes off the game.
What about the situation that you mentioned when Sammer goes to help with Garrincha and they have the ball? The same can apply. Personally, can't see him on the fringes off the game and being cut off.
It looks like it would be more blow for blow kind of game as enigma already mentioned.
Sammer is only helping when demya is beat so in essence he is dropping into the defense to win the ball and them bring it back out. So he is still part of the midfield as netto will drop back as well.
Sammer seems to be an incredible midfielder, it sounds like you're planning to use him in every phase of the game! At the same time he's covering for left back whilst also overloading Robson and Varela? I'd like to see some evidence of him being able to do that
Sammer seems to be an incredible midfielder, it sounds like you're planning to use him in every phase of the game! At the same time he's covering for left back whilst also overloading Robson and Varela? I'd like to see some evidence of him being able to do that
He was, at his peak the successor to beckenbauer and somebody who can single-handedly change the fortunes of the game.
See how many of the goals are him running from deep, if there is one thing the man didn't lack it was acceleration and work rate.
Pay attention in particular to the 2:39 to 2:43 when the player he is marking passes to another to release him in "space".
To limit him to just one phase of the game would be a discredit to him and his skillset.
You're not playing him at his peak though? I was under the impression that his peak was when he played as a sweeper, in between two central defenders?
If he is playing as a sweeper and the formation graphic is wrong then he'll be so far away from the midfield battle to really participate.
@Jim Beam why do you think his attack is better than ours? It also depends on who they're up against.
Moore is clearly a better defender than McGrath and I think our 2 centre backs make a better pairing. Pele himself said Moore is the best defender that he's ever faced.
I think Romario becomes even better in this game as he has a proven, devastating partnership with Laudrup, let alone the best right winger of all time.
Moore is clearly a better defender than McGrath and I think our 2 centre backs make a better pairing. Pele himself said Moore is the best defender that he's ever faced.
I think Romario becomes even better in this game as he has a proven, devastating partnership with Laudrup, let alone the best right winger of all time.
He was originally going to play as DM in the euro but moved back to sweeper to cover for kohler, with the former being his more natural position. He is equally as good in a DM role or a sweeper role. He wasn't your typical libero who would stay behind the defense and sweep up.
Pele>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Romario
Stoickhov>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hazard
Matthaus>>>>>>>>>>>>>Laudrup
The only thing in your favour is rumme vs garrincha but the former is against alaba and the fraud you guys have in goal
Anyway, he'll have to be looking after Laudrup as you can't allow him to have space and time on the ball, which means Garrincha is pretty much 1 on 1 as Stoichkov won't offer much help.
Between matthaus(look up what he did to maradona), netto and sammer I think we will be fine. I would worry more what happens when pele drifts left and comes up against alaba or if moore is drawn to cover for kalle ripping him a new one.
I'd urge anyone that questions Hazard's ability in this game to have a look at Himannv's earlier post.
I think he's suffering from the fact that he's still playing, and in a few years time he'll be remembered in the 50/70m bracket.
He's easily top 10 players in the world, and at his peak probably top 5. He's unfortunate that he's playing in the same era as the two freaks (Ronaldo/Messi) and an era dominated by statistics.
He has practically dragged Chelsea to titles in the last few years, almost a one man team at times.
I think he's suffering from the fact that he's still playing, and in a few years time he'll be remembered in the 50/70m bracket.
He's easily top 10 players in the world, and at his peak probably top 5. He's unfortunate that he's playing in the same era as the two freaks (Ronaldo/Messi) and an era dominated by statistics.
He has practically dragged Chelsea to titles in the last few years, almost a one man team at times.
The match brazil won?
You do know who that was that controlled that ball before laying it on the plate for jairzinho?
You also don't have banks in goal who made one of the greatest saves in world cup history to deny pele, can't see that joker in goal doing the same.
And cooper was a better fullback than alaba but still got torn apart by jaizinho, expect the same to happen here.
Quite an apt game you chose to highlight the weaknesses of your side. Not to mention that pele was 30 there, not at his physical peak either.
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If you're going to be picky, then you'll notice that Pele only gets space because Moore is dealing with another phase of the attack. In my video you see Pele getting completely shut out in his 1 v 1 battles with Moore.
I also feel that 99% of that goal is down to Jairzinho, anyone could have made that pass (and you don't have Jairzinho).