Yeah, that's fair, I shouldn't have worded it like I did. The main point still stands though.
Athleticism regressed after joining Man Utd
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May have got the timings wrong, ta
They regress in everything after few weeks/months of joining not only athleticism.
This. A lot of things are assumed by angry fans.
While some things could be true (like with Lukaku which is still nuts to this day), our squad isn't good enough in general.
It's that simple, I doubt the likes of McT eating a better diet, would transform his passing and his football IQ
Compared to what other clubs may be doing you have a point but I don't think that we have heard anything particularly bad or strange regarding United's players and their diets. The part that I can't accept is the rumours around the lack of intensity during Mourinho's tenure, I don't remember hearing anything on that topic under Ole but we didn't see any improvements on the field, so I assume that nothing changed.
So my guess, is that United have had poor training standards, Martial's words a few weeks ago implied that Sevilla trained at a higher intensity. Also I really struggle with United's training session videos, they almost always display low intensity and subpar technical level.
A story about Ronaldo not eating dessert means the clubs doesn’t have any nutritionists?
I guess Mark Ellison is imaginary and hasn’t worked with United for a decade along with GB Olympics, professional rugby sides and boxing champions.
Here is talking about how eating sweets can even be useful and about the typical diets of players.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.man...-nutrition-to-mirror-professional-footballers
Is that menu real? It can't be. You cannot feed elite sportspeople that diet and expect them to perform.
Maybe the in squad disharmony comes from Tom Heaton being the only one allowed thick cut chips.
If true we are a finished club. Rangnick will have a lot to consult about in the next two years.
I heard Luke Shaw went into a restaurant and ate everything in the restaurant and they had to close the restaurant
Athletes having their own trainers and nutritionists isn't uncommon, it doesn't tell you much about United. Ronaldo for example have had his own personal trainer, nutritionist and chef since at least his Madrid days, it's actually one of the perks that agents can provide to players.
It needs context, that could be the menu for the last team dinner before the summer break last season for all we know.
I think this menu has been posted on here before and it was for a special occasion. So that would be absolutely fine in my opinion.
Though I do believe there is a lack of professionalism in training and beyond that at United. But I wouldn’t base that criticism on this single menu.
I waiting for the day when United, especially in midfield or maybe out wide get a real 'Duracell bunny' type player, one who runs seemingly non stop, but certainly at a breakneck pace when they do move, such players 'fizz ' about, the energy they generate seems to transmit to others.
I am not talking about the Dan James type of speed merchant, who can cover the ground, but mainly in a straight line, but someone who can 'fizz' about in any direction and with purpose (with or without the ball) and this sort of movement activates those around them, especially when its linked to 'pass and move' type playing patterns.
I do agree that most of our new players, look sharp and on the ball when they arrive, but within sometimes only half a season they fall under the spell of our hidden 'OT cryptonite,' which must be deposited somewhere in the dressing rooms, or in the boot room and they lose those 'super powers' which attracted our interest in the first place, and for which we paid handsomely, not to say OTT on many occasions.
I am not talking about the Dan James type of speed merchant, who can cover the ground, but mainly in a straight line, but someone who can 'fizz' about in any direction and with purpose (with or without the ball) and this sort of movement activates those around them, especially when its linked to 'pass and move' type playing patterns.
I do agree that most of our new players, look sharp and on the ball when they arrive, but within sometimes only half a season they fall under the spell of our hidden 'OT cryptonite,' which must be deposited somewhere in the dressing rooms, or in the boot room and they lose those 'super powers' which attracted our interest in the first place, and for which we paid handsomely, not to say OTT on many occasions.
It's all down to quantity. If the desert is a small portion, it really doesn't harm a professional athlete. If it's a regular restaurant portion, it might affect a small amount.
Stephen Howson spouts more shit than my arsehole
I'd believe it based on those pictures of shirtless Luke Shaw that were posted on here after a match in last summers Euros. He physique for PL footballer is shocking.
OP raises a valid concern. Hard to understand why three or four managers have allowed this.
I don't quite agree Maguire was always painfully slow. You can check up this video for his time at Leicester; Surely he was not fast like Mane, but he actually was quite fast and agile for his size, definitely better than the like of Gary Cahill , Craig Dawson, Eric Dier or Michael Keane . He was such a good dribbler back then as well. Besides, Leicester was playing high press tactics. He was just doing well and not exposed to those speedy forwards. At one time Pep also mentioned he like to recruit Maguire and in his mind Maguire should be no problem adapting to Pep's game plan.
Maguire just turn 29 year old and should be still prime , but regressed much on pace, agility and jump height compared with his time before joining Man Utd.
Comparing Bale with Shaw is not that absurd ; back in the day like the below article, Shaw was compared with Bale as they both starting career as LB and shined for their explosive speed and winger potential. Before joining Man Utd, you can also see Shaw was slim-fit. You may say the injury regressed his career massively, but he is still in his prime age and could turn into much fitter shape with proper training and diet.
Chelsea Transfer News: Luke Shaw Would Emulate Gareth Bale at Stamford Bridge
It's got to be something like that. It's a simple metric, if calories eaten is greater than workload, then you get fatter.
Cycle teams have ridiculous oversight on their riders (arguably to an unhealthy extent) but I would guess we don't have an integrated nutrition and monitoring programme.
Which is pretty shocking considering there are players worth tens of millions.
Jesus Christ, a cheeseburger for these blokes probably doesn’t mean running down to your local McDonald’s…
when you actually think about it’s a balance meal If made correctly. It’s just that take away style meals have lead us to believe all burgers are unhealthy when in fact, you can add low carb buns, lean meat without additives, low sodium chips and reduced fat and sugar sauces.
Yeah massive pinch of salt with that theory. If anyone thinks numerous our managers would have missed that, then they’re gullible as feck. I’m amazed at these people ‘in the ‘know on YouTube are so scattershot with comments and retract from what they stated when called out on it.
Ronaldo has his own people, maybe that’s where he’s exaggerating it from?
Something is wrong with us since Fergie left. There is no authority at the club anymore to keep the players accountable. I remember Fergie literary hunting players and publicly embarrassed them for lack of discipline and partying. Van Persie once said that Fergie called out two players for partying and said something like - If we lose the title it is because of these two assholes... It was never revelied who these guys were but supposedly they were pictured partying till early hours somewhere.
Yeah, proper regiment is hard and has to be followed even when playing amateur sh1t these days. Everyone is more educated about nutrition and fitness.
Yeah, proper regiment is hard and has to be followed even when playing amateur sh1t these days. Everyone is more educated about nutrition and fitness.
It's what happens when you get taken over by venture capitalists looking to exploit your business rather than grow/improve it. The Glazers have let us rot.
I was reading that article with Mick Clegg revealing details on what Roy Keane was physically at his best.
The figure that caught my eye the most was Keane's body fat % estimated at 5.5% at the most. To me, that should be a hint of what we should aspire for a player's fitness at United. You don't reach and maintain 5.5% body fat unless you have solid workout habits and strong discipline, and we need those.
The figure that caught my eye the most was Keane's body fat % estimated at 5.5% at the most. To me, that should be a hint of what we should aspire for a player's fitness at United. You don't reach and maintain 5.5% body fat unless you have solid workout habits and strong discipline, and we need those.
5.5% is skeletal. You're almost not alive.
There's no way that's a player at his best. Not sure I believe that figure.
Aside from that a club isn't and can't be responsible for a players weight and conditioning. If a player can't be bothered staying in shape there's nothing anybody can do. That player has to be sold.
Luke Shaw has a personal chef who cooks all his meals for him so no he isn’t.
Howson also consistently makes up shit about him to try make Brandon Williams look better, I don’t know why anyone would believed his fat xenophobic scamming ass about anything.
I never said that it was but look at the diets of the very elite athletes in other sports and I can 100% guarantee you that they are not eating burgers of any kind of a regular basis. Nutrition is a massive part of fuelling and recovery and that menu would be a horror show to anyone doing the nutrition of someone like Roger Federer etc.
Belly full of money
Does this mean that Sancho is going to get slower soon??
That would be my concern. Sancho might be instructed to bulk up to strengthen his aerial duel , then he would be losing his pace, quick feet and agility, which are his most important competitive edge and foundation of his game.
Last game against Leicester Sancho also looked quite worrisome. He could dribble pass no one, did not take on their full backs and looked tired after 60 mins . That was really a 34-year old Mata's performance. For me his stamina has regressed slightly which makes him not able to maintain 90 mins high-intensity games.
Keane has spoke about this, said along the lines he went overkill and felt better after a good steak
He does not have pace to start with!
Whilst the menu probably is related to some special occasion, I think it's hinting towards what the players eat a bit more regularly than they should.
Eating poorly for an athlete is to guarantee failure, if you put the wrong fuel into your Ferrari, then performance will suffer.
Even between players being relegated and the league winners, there's only a fine margin at the individual player level. The manager, coaches and so on are the key to making the team greater than the sum of its parts.
Healthy food is good for mental wellness and retaining better fitness and stamina should lead to fewer injuries or help recovery from injuries quicker.
I don't doubt it. You're right with everything you've said.
I just said that's assuming a lot when it comes to the nutrition of our players and some of them are just not good enough that no amount healthy lifestyle changes is gonna help them
5.5% is low, very low, but not unheard of. Chris Froome's was 4% at one point. Cycling is much more 'engine dependent' than football which requires of skill.
Modern football style is demanding greater fitness from its players so we should expect to see that kind of stamina and fitness training become more influential.
Cheers, yeah you're spot on I fear. You could tie some of them to a treadmill but they'd still be lacklustre.
And they shouldn't be touching alcohol due to its lack of nutrition. Perhaps a glass of wine but not drinking in clubs.
I remember back in the day, we were amongst the worst offenders but hopefully that's one part of our DNA that didn't survive!
Our players simply lack the will to consistently work hard. Their next boss needs to be a drill sergeant, yet a supreme motivator. Yet this with power to bin ANYONE who doesn't fall in line.
Remember a few short months ago people thought most of barca "physically finished". See what an apt coaching and fitness regime change produced physically and mentally.
Remember a few short months ago people thought most of barca "physically finished". See what an apt coaching and fitness regime change produced physically and mentally.
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Sure it's not unheard of but it's not something you'd want to see a human mantain all year round. Nor is it preferable for a sport like football.
Imagine being built like Chris Froome and playing top level football.