Astronomy & Space Exploration

Yeah that's true, a lot of the stuff you see in sci-fi is becoming increasingly plausible. Prosthetics are becoming incredibly advanced, like all the fully functioning nerve-controlled arms that are appearing all over the place at the moment. If we don't kill ourselves, there's so much potential there. As to travel, that depends really. The distances involved in interstellar travel are well beyond anything we're even vaguely close to theorising about at the moment, I think the best hope is either wormholes (which exist according to our current theories) or something like the sci-fi hyperspace concept (which I think I remember reading does not exist).

I see it this way. What mankind achieved in a few thousand or so years was amazing. What mankind achieved from then up till the mid-to-late 1800s was more amazing. What mankind achieved from the late 1800s in the late 1900s was much more amazing. What mankind has achieved in the past 20-30 years is downright insane. What's next?

Has what mankind achieved during my generation exceed all of mankind combined?
 
I'm fairly certain there's a backdoor just past Pluto.
I'm certain too and I have even used it. mass effect

A thing that I've never understood, is if time changes when we use wormholes (assuming that they exist and we build them). If we go to a planet 10 light years away with speed that is near speed of light, times for us goes slowly. If we go to it with a speed as much as speed of light, then time for us doesn't change at all. And if we go there with a speed that is faster than speed of light, time goes backward so we go into the past (which is theoretically impossible and a reason why nothing can surpass speed of light). But wormholes (or even Star Trek-like travel) isn't a travelling on the true sense, so I don't have any idea if by travelling, you would also do time travelling.
 
I find the intelligence conversation interesting. That some things being explained to us is like explaining the Internet to chimps. I appreciate that there is obviously a theoretical level of intelligence way beyond humans but I think as a species we learn things we are taught quite well. It's the original thought or inspiration we struggle with.

I couldn't invent the internet but I can understand how it works. Similarly I can't invent a time machine but maybe could understand it if I was taught the theory. So as a species we struggle for inspiration but are good learners.

Make sense?
 
There may be a backdoor near Uranus.

Or maybe it's in Uranus.

Fecking great name for a planet.

When is this Mars mission planned? It damn well needs to hurry up. I want to be alive when they explore it.
 
There may be a backdoor near Uranus.

Or maybe it's in Uranus.

Fecking great name for a planet.

When is this Mars mission planned? It damn well needs to hurry up. I want to be alive when they explore it.
Ten years from now. Which according to some scientists (like the physic nobelist Gerard 't Hooft) have 0% chance of happening and a more realistic time for colonizing Mars would be next century. Saying that, I fully expect a human to walk in Mars within 2050, but making a colony there (especially a colony that is indpendent from Earth) in my opinion won't happen in my lifetime.
 
Yeah, there are all sorts of theories about it. I was just reading an article about it - this one - which was really good. Some of the potential arguments are ones I'd never thought of, for example that the reason we don't receive signals from other species is that there are predator species who go around homing in on worlds that reveal themselves via that kind of technology... makes movies like Independence Day seem a hell of a lot more plausible. :nervous:

Possibly the greatest article ever posted online. This bit:

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A Type III Civilization blows the other two away, accessing power comparable to that of the entire Milky Way galaxy.

If this level of advancement sounds hard to believe, remember Planet X above and their 3.4 billion years of further development. If a civilization on Planet X were similar to ours and were able to survive all the way to Type III level, the natural thought is that they’d probably have mastered inter-stellar travel by now, possibly even colonizing the entire galaxy.

One hypothesis as to how galactic colonization could happen is by creating machinery that can travel to other planets, spend 500 years or so self-replicating using the raw materials on their new planet, and then send two replicas off to do the same thing. Even without traveling anywhere near the speed of light, this process would colonize the whole galaxy in 3.75 million years, a relative blink of an eye when talking in the scale of billions of years:
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I've often considered we're a) a fluke in this particular solar system, or galaxy, or the entire universe, or b) we were created by an alien civilization, i.e. colonized.

b) stands out for me for many reasons. It's fascinating to think such. It's likely very possible. But also, what of all the ancient civilizations that seemingly claim to have witnessed aerials and other flying objects, or where does the folklore come from when ancient man surely hadn't developed the comprehension to consider flying machines and beings (or perhaps I'm selling ancient man short here).

I'm certainly no expert on archeology and other related studies, but the Hieroglyphics depicting what appears to represent flying objects and unknown beings - has this been translated?
 
I see it this way. What mankind achieved in a few thousand or so years was amazing. What mankind achieved from then up till the mid-to-late 1800s was more amazing. What mankind achieved from the late 1800s in the late 1900s was much more amazing. What mankind has achieved in the past 20-30 years is downright insane. What's next?

Has what mankind achieved during my generation exceed all of mankind combined?
Yep, that's the technological singularity. The rate of progress is (or at least appears to be) increasing at an exponential rate. We have a book about it, really interesting subject. There's a risk that our civilisation will destroy itself before it reaches the spike though, or at least runs out of resources. Plus there's also the question of whether our direction should really be considered "progress" at all :D

Possibly the greatest article ever posted online. This bit:

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A Type III Civilization blows the other two away, accessing power comparable to that of the entire Milky Way galaxy.

If this level of advancement sounds hard to believe, remember Planet X above and their 3.4 billion years of further development. If a civilization on Planet X were similar to ours and were able to survive all the way to Type III level, the natural thought is that they’d probably have mastered inter-stellar travel by now, possibly even colonizing the entire galaxy.

One hypothesis as to how galactic colonization could happen is by creating machinery that can travel to other planets, spend 500 years or so self-replicating using the raw materials on their new planet, and then send two replicas off to do the same thing. Even without traveling anywhere near the speed of light, this process would colonize the whole galaxy in 3.75 million years, a relative blink of an eye when talking in the scale of billions of years:
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I've often considered we're a) a fluke in this particular solar system, or galaxy, or the entire universe, or b) we were created by an alien civilization, i.e. colonized.

b) stands out for me for many reasons. It's fascinating to think such. It's likely very possible. But also, what of all the ancient civilizations that seemingly claim to have witnessed aerials and other flying objects, or where does the folklore come from when ancient man surely hadn't developed the comprehension to consider flying machines and beings (or perhaps I'm selling ancient man short here).

I'm certainly no expert on archeology and other related studies, but the Hieroglyphics depicting what appears to represent flying objects and unknown beings - has this been translated?
Yep, all of those possibilities are really interesting. Always think it's fertile ground for sci-fi which is often left untouched. The whole thing about Earth potentially being an alien experiment does sound utterly insane... but it's not outside the realms of possibility!
 
Dawn has now arrived in orbit, humankind's first satellite of a dwarf planet! No new pictures I think for another months or so yet though unfortunately.

I'm certain too and I have even used it. mass effect

A thing that I've never understood, is if time changes when we use wormholes (assuming that they exist and we build them). If we go to a planet 10 light years away with speed that is near speed of light, times for us goes slowly. If we go to it with a speed as much as speed of light, then time for us doesn't change at all. And if we go there with a speed that is faster than speed of light, time goes backward so we go into the past (which is theoretically impossible and a reason why nothing can surpass speed of light). But wormholes (or even Star Trek-like travel) isn't a travelling on the true sense, so I don't have any idea if by travelling, you would also do time travelling.
I'm pretty sure the wormhole itself is just our spatial dimensions cutting through the bulk as a shortcut, so I think there'd be standard relativistic dilation depending on the length of the wormhole. If wormholes exist and are able to be traversed, though, it does allow the possibility of backwards time travel due to the peculiarities of relativity. But you'd also need handy access to a black hole.
 
I've often considered we're a) a fluke in this particular solar system, or galaxy, or the entire universe, or b) we were created by an alien civilization, i.e. colonized.

I'm definitely in the "teeming with life" camp. If you look just at the diversity of life/habitat on earth it seems unreasonable to believe that it's not happening all over the galaxy, albeit maybe only in relatively small (by overall volume) pockets.

However I arrive today with far more mundane things in mind, and this thread is probably the best home for it. A nice link I ran into:
http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2015-march-20
Creates an animation for your location (or whatever location you choose) of what the eclipse should look like if its visible in your area, including the local time.

Disclaimer: don't blame me if it's wrong!
 
I'm definitely in the "teeming with life" camp. If you look just at the diversity of life/habitat on earth it seems unreasonable to believe that it's not happening all over the galaxy, albeit maybe only in relatively small (by overall volume) pockets.

However I arrive today with far more mundane things in mind, and this thread is probably the best home for it. A nice link I ran into:
http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2015-march-20
Creates an animation for your location (or whatever location you choose) of what the eclipse should look like if its visible in your area, including the local time.

Disclaimer: don't blame me if it's wrong!
Feck, just after I get into work! :( Cheers for the link though.
 
We'll find out soon. NASA aren't saying too much about it, but if they've stumbled onto creating a warp field it'll be one of the first steps to massive improvements in space travel.
To early to call it (if it is real) 'the biggest scientific discovery of all time'.

Also, the second comment on that page is 'Normandy (the space ship in Mass Effect) did it a long time ago' :lol:
 
A good and objective (and fairly sciencey) article on the developments so far, and potential future uses - http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/

Hidden right down the bottom in science talk is the part, I believe, where it mentions that positive tests for the warp effect have occurred :lol:
provide the necessary delta-V (change in velocity needed to perform an on-orbit maneuver)
Oh come on. Why would you call it 'delta-V' when you're not going to write up the mathematical expressions anyway? cnuts.
 
Looking forward to the launch of the James Webb space telescope. Should be the next level of amazing Hubble like discovery.
 
Looking forward to the launch of the James Webb space telescope. Should be the next level of amazing Hubble like discovery.

Definitely. Can't believe we've enjoyed 25 years of amazing stuff from the Hubble.
 
Yup, fascinating. I'm treating the "warp drive" stuff as highly unlikely to come to fruition, but the stuff about the EM drive enabling travel to Saturn in 9 months would be revolutionary and would open up the solar system for exploration by itself, and they seem to have genuine experimental evidence of it.
 
Largest galaxy in the known Universe - 6 million light years across and a mere 100 trillion stars inside.

 
Some amazing pictures of Ceres coming in:

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PIA19562_hires.jpg

More here: http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/
 
Are those reflective patches mineral deposits or a cryovolcano ?
 
Are those reflective patches mineral deposits or a cryovolcano ?
Could be either! Looking forward to seeing some pics of it that aren't massively over-exposed.
 
This week was the 10th anniversary of one of the greatest achievements in space exploration ever. The landing of the Huygens probe from the Cassini-Huygens mission on the surface of Titan. The farthest landing of a probe on the surface of another planet/moon. The mission was fully funded and developed by the European Space Agency. Unbelievable achievement if you think about it. Those scientists are a great bunch.
 
With 8.8 Billion estimated habitable planets in the Milky Way along and 10 to the 24th planets in the observable Universe, I'd say odds are pretty good that not only is there life, but the Universe is teeming with it.
 
With 8.8 Billion estimated habitable planets in the Milky Way along and 10 to the 24th planets in the observable Universe, I'd say odds are pretty good that not only is there life, but the Universe is teeming with it.
Intelligent life is the biggie though. The Fermi paradox does make you wonder.
 
Intelligent life is the biggie though. The Fermi paradox does make you wonder.

Its an interesting thought. Lisa Randall recently said she thinks there's plenty of life in the Universe although we may never come in contact with it

Another thought is we may be towards the upper echelon of life in our galaxy, which may explain why we haven't been contacted yet.
 
Another thought is we may be towards the upper echelon of life in our galaxy
I very much doubt that, a much more probably thought is that we are as insignificant to the actual intelligent life as an ant is to us. They see us all the time but have no interest whatsoever in finding out anything about our world.
 
Its an interesting thought. Lisa Randall recently said she thinks there's plenty of life in the Universe although we may never come in contact with it

Another thought is we may be towards the upper echelon of life in our galaxy, which may explain why we haven't been contacted yet.

The other train of thought is that if intergalactic travel is possible and there are intelligent species out there, it would be an incredibly dumb thing to announce your presence to the Universe because the chances are that there would be a race out there hunting resources and exoplanets to colonise. It's a basic trait for any form of life, to find resources and habitable areas to expand into.
 
I very much doubt that, a much more probably thought is that we are as insignificant to the actual intelligent life as an ant is to us. They see us all the time but have no interest whatsoever in finding out anything about our world.

The other train of thought is that if intergalactic travel is possible and there are intelligent species out there, it would be an incredibly dumb thing to announce your presence to the Universe because the chances are that there would be a race out there hunting resources and exoplanets to colonise. It's a basic trait for any form of life, to find resources and habitable areas to expand into.

IMO we have to be careful about applying anthropocentric logic to the behavior of hypothetical life from other planets.
 
I very much doubt that, a much more probably thought is that we are as insignificant to the actual intelligent life as an ant is to us. They see us all the time but have no interest whatsoever in finding out anything about our world.
I can't imagine that to be the case, if they were intelligent enough to have discovered us then they'd also clearly be highly developed scientifically, which wouldn't lend itself to such an apathetic way of viewing intelligent life from elsewhere.

I'm of a more pessimistic view that civilisations that are capable of discovering and potentially communicating with each other are so short lived in the grand scheme of things, that we may just not overlap with one another. Our Sun is 4.6bn years old in a galaxy several billion years older than that, we certainly weren't the first intelligent life form to evolve and if you think about how much we could evolve technologically in just 2,000 years, many of those that came before us will have long since fallen to their killer robot creations. So I guess more to the point, where are all the killer robots?