Ashley Young | Transfer rumours

facund said:
We are battling on four fronts so I think it would be prudent to keep him around till the end of the season. He is solid if somewhat unspectacular and can do a job in a few positions which could be very handy if we suffer a couple of injuries. I don't see the rush in pushing him out of the door unless he is desperate to leave.
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I disagree. He cannot even 'do a job' on the wing anymore. Other than literally just be a human being in a red shirt, on the wing. I see him as no more threatening than your average PL full-back out wide. He won't score, won't beat a man. If given space, he may put in a decent cross, it in the PL, you need to earn that space to cross, and he doesn't have the tools for that.

I'd have him over Darmian at full-back though.
 
He'll be the Cristiano of CSL. We should be holding out for a big money transfer.

Luckily we have Mourinho who has started with his usual "Ashley is a player I would love to keep. I am not happy he is leaving" statements. I mean that's so untrue given Young hasn't featured at all this season, but us just having that stance for a player adds a few good millions to their price.
 
Not bothered if he goes, we are already overloaded in the "can't get a cross passed the 1st defender" department.
 
Rozay said:
I disagree. He cannot even 'do a job' on the wing anymore. Other than literally just be a human being in a red shirt, on the wing. I see him as no more threatening than your average PL full-back out wide. He won't score, won't beat a man. If given space, he may put in a decent cross, it in the PL, you need to earn that space to cross, and he doesn't have the tools for that.

I'd have him over Darmian at full-back though.
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When did he last get a chance to play as a winger for more than 20-30 mins here and there? The last run he got that I can remember was towards the end of LVG's first season. He actually did a pretty decent job on the left in what was one of our brighter periods under the philosophy. I'm not saying he would blow us away or be overly impressive but you know pretty much what you would get from him and whilst that reliability isn't enough to justify him being a starter it provides a solid option in an emergency. Young being an emergency option for potentially four positions makes him somewhat useful IMO.

I fully agree about Darmian.
 
facund said:
When did he last get a chance to play as a winger for more than 20-30 mins here and there? The last run he got that I can remember was towards the end of LVG's first season. He actually did a pretty decent job on the left in what was one of our brighter periods under the philosophy. I'm not saying he would blow us away or be overly impressive but you know pretty much what you would get from him and whilst that reliability isn't enough to justify him being a starter it provides a solid option in an emergency. Young being an emergency option for potentially four positions makes him somewhat useful IMO.

I fully agree about Darmian.
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He started out wide against Liverpool at Anfield, and predictably offered no attacking threat.
 
I honestly can't wait to see him sold.

Nothing against him personally but I never liked watching him.
 
NinjaFletch said:
Has he?

I mean I like Ashley Young well enough as a person, and he seems to like the club so good on him. Have no objections to him wanting to stay here and earn the money we were silly enough to give him.

But he's on first-teamer wages and since his first season, which was fine, he's scored 6 goals in about 100 appearances. For all the shit Lingard gets even as a squad player he's been nearly twice as productive than Young in his starts so far.

There's obviously more to football than goals, and Young has performed manfully in unfamiliar positions once better players kicked him out of his best positions, but aside from his first season, and the back end of the first Van Gaal season where he was probably our least bad attacker (although I never bought into the narrative he was playing particularly well; he was just better than Di Maria who had turned into a honking pile of shite).

I think the transfer has been a spectacular waste of money on the clubs part, and Young's contribution could easily (and more cheaply) have been covered by academy players.
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Pretty much, slightly embarrassed to have him playing for United tbf, he's been rubbish. If we can get some money for him, that would be great.
 
Sell and bring back Borthwick-Jackson from loan plus other lads like Axel, Riley, maybe even Poole or Williams could get some chances from time to time to the rest of the season because in summer there may be a huge window for Man United in terms of squad rearrangement.
 
Rozay said:
He started out wide against Liverpool at Anfield, and predictably offered no attacking threat.
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Did anyone provide a threat in that match? That's really beside the point, he played a part in a tactically proficient performance where the team got the desired result (we pretty much played to contain). He did a job as a winger, even if that was with a more defensive remit than usual, in what was his first or second start of the season.
 
I honestly think he's one of the worst big money signings the club has ever sanctioned. As is often the case with some of our poorer players, standards are lowered and the most average of performances are justified as a result.

This guy cost us the best part of £20 million and was signed to bolster the attack. He has since scored 14 goals, eight of which came during his first season here.

He's often praised for trying hard and putting in a shift at full back, yet that was never the intention. It's simply the product of his terrible contribution from the wing. Somebody like Nani was expected to tear apart the opposition when he played for us, meanwhile, Young merely runs around and over hits a few pointless crosses and somehow he's some sort of asset.

His last contract extension was ludicrous, he offers us nothing unique that isn't offered by somebody elsewhere and getting shot of him will be a welcome relief from mediocrity. We should have got rid years ago.
 
We really should sell Young. Even if it's for <10M. His weekly wages are just too much to justify being in the team and not playing at all.
 
Kag said:
I honestly think he's one of the worst big money signings the club has ever sanctioned. As is often the case with some of our poorer players, standards are lowered and the most average of performances are justified as a result.

This guy cost us the best part of £20 million and was signed to bolster the attack. He has since scored 14 goals, eight of which came during his first season here.

He's often praised for trying hard and putting in a shift at full back, yet that was never the intention. It's simply the product of his terrible contribution from the wing. Somebody like Nani was expected to tear apart the opposition when he played for us, meanwhile, Young merely runs around and over hits a few pointless crosses and somehow he's some sort of asset.

His last contract extension was ludicrous, he offers us nothing unique that isn't offered by somebody elsewhere and getting shot of him will be a welcome relief from mediocrity. We should have got rid years ago.
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Wow.
 
Its a shame considering the ridiculous price we payed for him compared to his efforts on the wings and his way too high salary on his contract to justify being left out of the squad at the moment.

I think he would have been far more useful at left back than Darmian and Rojo during this period where Shaw was out, I think he would have looked solid if given a stretch of games.

I've always thought he shows great attitude on the pitch and works hard without complaining about never being a regular starter. With that said, it can be hard to complain when you make the money you do.

Obviously Jose isn't keen on using him, so he just has to leave.
 
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Kag said:
I honestly think he's one of the worst big money signings the club has ever sanctioned. As is often the case with some of our poorer players, standards are lowered and the most average of performances are justified as a result.

This guy cost us the best part of £20 million and was signed to bolster the attack. He has since scored 14 goals, eight of which came during his first season here.

He's often praised for trying hard and putting in a shift at full back, yet that was never the intention. It's simply the product of his terrible contribution from the wing. Somebody like Nani was expected to tear apart the opposition when he played for us, meanwhile, Young merely runs around and over hits a few pointless crosses and somehow he's some sort of asset.

His last contract extension was ludicrous, he offers us nothing unique that isn't offered by somebody elsewhere and getting shot of him will be a welcome relief from mediocrity. We should have got rid years ago.
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:eek: I was going to post something pretty positive but your argument really puts things into perspective, good post. Let him go.
 
A good professional, but sadly, not a good player. Didn't understand why we went for him in the first place, and it is a joke how he has been here for 5 years.

We are extremely found of average players. Ando, Young, Fellaini...
 
I'm surprised Davey Moyes hasn't snapped him up, it seems his scouting only stretches to the north west!
 
Kag said:
I honestly think he's one of the worst big money signings the club has ever sanctioned. As is often the case with some of our poorer players, standards are lowered and the most average of performances are justified as a result.

This guy cost us the best part of £20 million and was signed to bolster the attack. He has since scored 14 goals, eight of which came during his first season here.

He's often praised for trying hard and putting in a shift at full back, yet that was never the intention. It's simply the product of his terrible contribution from the wing. Somebody like Nani was expected to tear apart the opposition when he played for us, meanwhile, Young merely runs around and over hits a few pointless crosses and somehow he's some sort of asset.

His last contract extension was ludicrous, he offers us nothing unique that isn't offered by somebody elsewhere and getting shot of him will be a welcome relief from mediocrity. We should have got rid years ago.
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Agree with this post entirely. I just can't fathom the "contract extension" - that was a ridiculous decision.



Strats said:
Its a shame considering the ridiculous price we payed for him compared to his efforts on the wings and his way too high salary on his contract to justify being left out of the squad at the moment.

I think he would have been far more useful at left back than Darmian and Rojo during this period where Shaw was out, I think he would have looked solid if given a stretch of games.

I've always thought he shows great attitude on the pitch and works hard without complaining about never being a regular starter. With that said, it can be hard to complain when you make the money you do.

Obviously Jose isn't keen on using him, so he just has to leave.
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coolredwine said:
We really should sell Young. Even if it's for <10M. His weekly wages are just too much to justify being in the team and not playing at all.
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Isn't there an idea floating around that Young took a "pay cut" recently?
Or is that all part of the Caf myth which, when propagated by enough posts/posters becomes the basis for arguing your case?

Also, I don't think we need to try to accommodate Young into the 11 - at left back or wherever. I see Lingard as Young's successor at the club - someone who isn't gonna set the league alight but can do a job as the hard working 2nd choice player. Young is 31 or 32 and I really don't see any sort of sentimental value in keeping him around - he isn't from the academy or anything..so might as well just cash in on him when we have a chance.
 
He's a good signing for any lower level premier league club who don't baulk at his huge wages. He's an average premier league player - but that's got to be good enough for any below average premier league team.
 
Kag said:
I honestly think he's one of the worst big money signings the club has ever sanctioned. As is often the case with some of our poorer players, standards are lowered and the most average of performances are justified as a result.

This guy cost us the best part of £20 million and was signed to bolster the attack. He has since scored 14 goals, eight of which came during his first season here.

He's often praised for trying hard and putting in a shift at full back, yet that was never the intention. It's simply the product of his terrible contribution from the wing. Somebody like Nani was expected to tear apart the opposition when he played for us, meanwhile, Young merely runs around and over hits a few pointless crosses and somehow he's some sort of asset.

His last contract extension was ludicrous, he offers us nothing unique that isn't offered by somebody elsewhere and getting shot of him will be a welcome relief from mediocrity. We should have got rid years ago.
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Not to mention that he's earned around £25-30m in wages over the past 5.5 years. If you add his salary and his wages you're looking at somewhere above the £3m - 3.5m mark per goal.
 
I used to absolutely detest him but it's clear he's an excellent pro. He's nowhere near the first team in any of the positions he covers, he's coming to the end of his career and he's on an enormous wage so it's best for all that he moves on now. Good luck to him.
 
As I said in the other thread, will be glad to see him leave. Not a good player.
 
Kag said:
I honestly think he's one of the worst big money signings the club has ever sanctioned. As is often the case with some of our poorer players, standards are lowered and the most average of performances are justified as a result.

This guy cost us the best part of £20 million and was signed to bolster the attack. He has since scored 14 goals, eight of which came during his first season here.

He's often praised for trying hard and putting in a shift at full back, yet that was never the intention. It's simply the product of his terrible contribution from the wing. Somebody like Nani was expected to tear apart the opposition when he played for us, meanwhile, Young merely runs around and over hits a few pointless crosses and somehow he's some sort of asset.

His last contract extension was ludicrous, he offers us nothing unique that isn't offered by somebody elsewhere and getting shot of him will be a welcome relief from mediocrity. We should have got rid years ago.
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nothing wrong with converting players, Milner is a decent leftback, so is Valencia isn't he because they couldn't continue to a decent standard in their prime positions, Young contributed better than Zaha, diMaria, Depay, Falcao and several others we paid big money for, think his price was around 16m and even at the time it wasnt bad price for an english player who could raise his game and be a good servant to the club. Yes he was pretty mediocre but than there were certainly worse players, so please stop exaggerating, he never moaned and was dedicated to the club, he's the club djay and good lad for the dressing room even though he was and disappointment in the end he was worth a punt..

I will defo not cry if he goes though
 
Kag said:
I honestly think he's one of the worst big money signings the club has ever sanctioned. As is often the case with some of our poorer players, standards are lowered and the most average of performances are justified as a result.

This guy cost us the best part of £20 million and was signed to bolster the attack. He has since scored 14 goals, eight of which came during his first season here.

He's often praised for trying hard and putting in a shift at full back, yet that was never the intention. It's simply the product of his terrible contribution from the wing. Somebody like Nani was expected to tear apart the opposition when he played for us, meanwhile, Young merely runs around and over hits a few pointless crosses and somehow he's some sort of asset.

His last contract extension was ludicrous, he offers us nothing unique that isn't offered by somebody elsewhere and getting shot of him will be a welcome relief from mediocrity. We should have got rid years ago.
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There were, and perhaps still are, some who supported that.

I remember starting this thread: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ashley-youngs-position-as-a-first-team-player.407137/

I'm still surprised at how many were happy to see him in the first team squad going into that season.
 
Brilliant pro and one of the few players who had my respect during the really bad bits in the last few years. Never plays though and really isn't good enough so happy enough to let him go and get some playing time elsewhere.
 
coolredwine said:
We really should sell Young. Even if it's for <10M. His weekly wages are just too much to justify being in the team and not playing at all.
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Indeed, just cut our losses, the squad needs trimming of this sort of 'talent'.
 
The sooner we get rid of wage thieves like Young the better, i will qualify that by saying its not his fault/or the others but jeez we are paying 1m a week to absolute dross.

Rooney-300k
Shweiny - 200k
Fellaini - 100k
Young - 100k

etc etc
 
I'm pretty sure Young's wage is a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of Uniteds finances.
 
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