Ashes II - 2013/14 - In Australia

I agree. Not an easy pitch


Australia will absolutely stroll this. Absolutely no pressure on the batsmen, 3-0 up, England's bowlers confidence destroyed - i'd be surprised if they lose any mroe than 4 wickets chasing the total. Four games now that it hasn't even been taken to a competitive final innings.

Genuinely I think this will go down as England's worst ever performance. Australia have a good bowling attack but their batsmen are mainly poor (albeit their bowlers are all decent batsmen so they've a long tail), its just unbelievable how England can't even compete. Its not like a single game has even been close. Four games! And it'd take a foolish man to bet against Australia walking the fifth match. Previous England teams have been dirge but had the excuse of at least been outclassed (as with most away Ashes series) by genuinely world class teams, but this is just unprecedented.

What's worse is I don't really see exactly what they can change to improve the batting. Ballance I think could (and deserves to) come in and Stokes moves down to the 3rd seamers role, but aside from that I don't really see what's going to improve this terrible batting side. Cook definitely needs to go as captain as much as anything its destroyed him as a batsmen, and I'd say Gooch's position needs to be reviewed - the Aussie batsmen have clearly worked to improve their deficiencies from the previous series, England's batsmen repeatedly have got out time and time again the same ways.

8 innings and bowled out for <200 in 4 of them, high score of 353. Not a single score of 400+ in the Ashes combined.
 
Well it was Piers Morgan....

I'm not exactly sure what either of them were trying to prove mind you. Morgan just his usual media whore self, and Lee proved he can hit a 48 year old man who doesn't play cricket.
 
It's Piers Morgan. And Lee was going easy on him.

Are there any documented deaths when a batsman is wearing a helmet and proper padding?
 
Well it was Piers Morgan....

I'm not exactly sure what either of them were trying to prove mind you. Morgan just his usual media whore self, and Lee proved he can hit a 48 year old man who doesn't play cricket.


Morgan was mouthing off about the lack of bottle in the England team and Lee said 'its harder than you think to face 90+ pace bowling, I'll show you if you like' and Morgan took him up on it.

As for Morgan dying, I think its nonsense. Theoretically he could have, yes, but the likelihood is close to nothing and the arguments about it showing cricket to be a thugs game or something is stupid.
 
Pietersen again showing why he's England best batsman. The stick he takes from English fans and some of the pundits is quite unbelievable.
It's BECAUSE he's England's best batsman that he gets such stick when he bats like an arsehole.
 
Morgan was mouthing off about the lack of bottle in the England team and Lee said 'its harder than you think to face 90+ pace bowling, I'll show you if you like' and Morgan took him up on it.

As for Morgan dying, I think its nonsense. Theoretically he could have, yes, but the likelihood is close to nothing and the arguments about it showing cricket to be a thugs game or something is stupid.


As much as I dislike Morgan I still don't really see Lee's line of thought here, calling out England for lack of bottle seems pretty fair in this series given the amount of collapses. In the wrong game if you don't like facing up to fast bowling as a batsmen, like being a boxer who can't take getting punched.

Seem's the decent thing to do would have been to let up after hitting him once, its a bit sadistic to keep going after him...although it is Piers Morgan so its pretty understandable.
 
As much as I dislike Morgan I still don't really see Lee's line of thought here, calling out England for lack of bottle seems pretty fair in this series given the amount of collapses. In the wrong game if you don't like facing up to fast bowling as a batsmen, like being a boxer who can't take getting punched.

Seem's the decent thing to do would have been to let up after hitting him once, its a bit sadistic to keep going after him...although it is Piers Morgan so its pretty understandable.


I think it was more to prove a point that the reaction time is so short, so poor decision making isn't just down to cowardice.

I also think Lee got a bit carried away with Morgan goading him and the crowd baying him on.
 
England are just defeated now. Just give them the whitewash and let's forget all about it.
 
I think it was more to prove a point that the reaction time is so short, so poor decision making isn't just down to cowardice.

I also think Lee got a bit carried away with Morgan goading him and the crowd baying him on.

There's obviously more to it by the way the recording cuts every once in a while.
 
England look incapable of taking 20 wickets. Aside from a couple of good spells from Anderson and Broad the bowlers have been really shite. The third seamer and spinner have been a major issue this series.

TBF though the batters haven't given them much to play with either.
 
In the first innings they've started well each time then hit a wall away around 5 wickets in and had the tail pile on runs against them. Even then the only time they've truly failed in the first innings was the 2nd test, and you'd have to say if Carberry had taken the easiest of catches against Haddin and got them to 279/6, they'd have been out for a decent total there too. I have a lot of sympathy for the bowlers though in the 2nd innings, every single time they've been in situations were they need to either get Australia out very cheaply, or in a couple of cases even getting Australia out for 100 would have made very little difference to the game. They've just been left in an impossible situation by the batsmen a lot of the itme.

Coupled that with the fact the fielding has been atrocious and they're regularly having 3/4/5 easy catches put down an innings. This isn't to say the bowling has been anything like the standard it should be, its still often been poor, but if we had Australia's bowling attack I dare say we'd still be on the end of a thrashing such is the complete inability of our batsmen to put on even remotely acceptable scores.
 
It's a bowling attack whos spearhead in Anderson is a broken man and whos 3rd seamer is not a wicket taking threat and being picked on the basis of his batting.

Also, the way the Aussie's have played the spinner Cook hasn't been able to gum up one end and rotate the seamers from the other so they're having to bowl frequent long, draining spells. Look at Clarke's excellent use of Johnson, short, sharp crisp spells. Cook hasn't been able to do that even if he wanted to.

With the possible exception of Broad, they normally all need some assistance from the air, ball or pitch and it just hasn't been there.
 
Really feels like England threw away this game. Went from a good start in the first innings to basically nothing. 4-0, now we just have to see if it will be a series whitewash or not.
 
Brilliant from Australia. Their batters have contributed at some point or another in the series, great team effort.

I think this series will be the end for Flower. Cook also will be under great pressure, but there's no real alternative to him as captain.
 
Read that Bell captains well for Warwickshire..

Anyone can be better than Cook, surely? They're all professional cricketers who can read the game.

Cook consults 5 different people for opinions and does the most conservative thing possible.
 
Cook won't go due to one bad series, but Stuart Broad would be the person to take over if he did. The only chance is he himself doesn't want the captaincy anymore, but there's no way it'll be taken off him. The whole team needs a shake up really, only Broad has exceeded his bowling average this series, and not a single person in the team has exceeded their batting average.

The problem is the replacements are highly questionable themselves. There's a good player in Root if he plays lower down the order, but its painfully obvious he's not a opener or number 3 at test level yet. It's just destroying his confidence persisting with him there when he's so clearly woefully unsuited. Carberry I've seen little to suggest he's got much of a future, at 33, he's not a long term option. Cook needs to lose the captaincy for his batting as much as anything, Stokes we'll see, though I think he's destined if anything to move down to the 3rd seamers role if he can further improve his bowling. Then bowling wise there's only Broad out the 4 bowlers who I think will be around for the return series in 2 1/2 years.

Still as much as anything I think complacency and over confidence has hit the team hard. There's really no excuse for how bad the fieldings been, even yesterday 2 easy dropped catches very early on again. Misfields galore as well, it just suggests the team isn't focused anywhere near as much as even 2 years ago when largely the same team was arguably the best fielding side in the world. Likewise where Australia clearly have plans for the bowlers, and the batsmen have clearly worked hard to improve their faults, there's been really little to suggest England have worked anything like that on the same level. Time after time England have come unstuck bowling at a tail and persist every single match pitching it up and hoping to take a catch, where's the logic? They need only look as themselves to see how the England tail has been cleaned up with a lot of LBW's and bowled in the mix to see that aiming at the stumps now and again isn't a bad idea.

Whilst Flowers should go, Gooch is the main one for me. The batting has been abysmal since August 2011 and is getting worse. The players naturally need to take blame as well, but when the England batsmen every single match struggle against the same tactics you really have to question the coaching they're receving.
 
Does anyone actually look at Bell and think 'yeah, that's a man whose a natural leader I'd follow that guy to the death'? He's as dour as Cook, and you would imagine, the exact same sort of captain.

I think there's one natural leader in this team, but he's already had a go at the captaincy and he ballsed that up with his ego and divisiveness.
 
Read that Bell captains well for Warwickshire..

Anyone can be better than Cook, surely? They're all professional cricketers who can read the game.

Cook consults 5 different people for opinions and does the most conservative thing possible.

Australia get a boundary and he withdraws half the field to the boundary and wonders why the bastmen are under no pressure and score fast with 1s and 2s.
 
As an England fan, this has got to be one of the low points in English cricket history. The fight and desire from the team has been dreadful. The worst thing is, they are 4-0 down to a very mediocre Australian team who are being made to look like world beaters. To lose to quality opposition is one thing but this Australian team isn't a patch on previous teams. Lets not forget, before the start of the serious, England were unbeaten in 12 tests while Australia hasn't won in 9. That stat demonstrates just how dreadful England have been.

I'm not going to take anything away from Australia who have performed well but i don't think they will be troubling SA. England seem to have developed some sort of mental block against Johnson. This guy isn't new, he's been around a while and been dropped by this team before now he's being made to look like the world's number one bowler. The cockiness of this Australia team will be short lived I think but England have been their own worst enemies. This has been coming as they have struggled with their batting and only have just escaped defeat in some previous tests.

People go on about the duke and kookabura ball but the English batsmen have averages over 40 and some close to 50 gained from a number of test matches across the world so they should be used to different balls. There is no excuse to lose because of the ball. Losing Trott hasn't helped and the other batsmen just haven't performed.

The selections has been strange, picking people like Tremlett because he played well in a previous tour while leaving the person who's taken the most wickets in England County Cricket at home (Onions). Picking Rankin because he's tall. Prior should have been dropped earlier. Carberry while being great at County level, has been brought into the side too late. Stokes has been a pleasant surprise. There needs to be competition for places and there just isn't any at the moment.

Cook hasn't exactly been the most exciting or attacking captain and maybe he needs to work on that but deserves to continue. There needs to be some people given a shot in the side to bring some competition.
 
The Ashes urn
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Hold on to your hats, the Ashes roller coaster is about to begin.
But once England hit their straps, they can turn it into more of a cruise for them and their fans, taking in the sights of broken-hearted Aussies along the way.
Back-to-back Ashes series like this has never been done before so I think that makes it all the more special, and I for one am looking forward to it.
There has been some talk that back-to-back Ashes series being a bad thing, that it somehow devalues the concept of Ashes cricket. Do me a favour!
The people saying that must never have played in an Ashes series, because the first thing you want to do after playing against Australia, is play them again, especially if you’ve just won.

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And if you have been beaten, there is nothing you want to do more than play them again so you can win that urn back.
Ten Test matches against the old enemy in a row, lovely.
Ten chances to keep the Aussies down and in the dust. Bring it on.
And for those worried that a one-sided series might take the edge off things, don’t worry.
Australia will be trying to come at England just as hard when they are 1-0 down as when they are 4-0 down.
I haven’t seen anything to remotely make me feel as I though I need to change my initial prediction of a double 5-0.
There is simply no department in which I think Australia have got an edge over England.
Which Australian cricketer gets into a joint team between the two sides? Michael Clarke is the only one.
It is going to be like a Mini lining up in a drag race with a Ferrari five times. How is it going to win?
I cannot think of an Ashes series in which the better side has lost. Maybe over the course of a single match, but five matches? No way. The stronger team will prevail and that is why I am so confident. This is not bluster.

England have got every base covered and two or three guys waiting in the wings to step up if need be. For a long while now England’s bowlers have been their ace in the pack, and they should be the star turns again this summer.
Jimmy Anderson is a wonderful bowler and a man at the peak of his powers.
He will be itching to get going at Trent Bridge, a ground where he is almost guaranteed a hatful of wickets.
But I think Nottinghamshire pair Graeme Swann and Stuart Broad know a thing or two about bowling at their home ground too, and if the other pitches get much more of this sun on them, Swann will have a permanent grin on his face all summer.
What I would say is that Darren Lehmann is the best thing to have happened to Australian cricket recently.
They have gone for a coach who understands the game deeply, but perhaps more importantly understands the cogs of Australian cricket inside out and the players will respond to him.
He talks to players in a way they understand and having been at the sharp end himself out in the middle he can relate to what they are going through, but there is an important thing to remember.
Unless Lehmann is also Professor Albus Dumbledore in his spare time he cannot wave a magic wand and turn this Australian team into world beaters.
He cannot turn a 200 runs per series player into a 500 runs per series player overnight.
He cannot teach a batsman how to avoid nicking an Anderson outswinger, or a bowler how to sneak one through Jonathan Trott’s defence three times out of five, it just won’t happen.
Lehmann will get a bit more fight and grit perhaps from his players, but Ashes series are not won on fight and grit alone.
The series will be won by the better team, and on that score there is only one winner.

Lulz.
 
As an England fan, this has got to be one of the low points in English cricket history. The fight and desire from the team has been dreadful. The worst thing is, they are 4-0 down to a very mediocre Australian team who are being made to look like world beaters. To lose to quality opposition is one thing but this Australian team isn't a patch on previous teams. Lets not forget, before the start of the serious, England were unbeaten in 12 tests while Australia hasn't won in 9. That stat demonstrates just how dreadful England have been.

I think you underestimate the Aussie team even in England have been utterly woeful.

I'm not going to take anything away from Australia who have performed well but i don't think they will be troubling SA.

I wouldn't bet against Australia vs SA. SA aren't that great.

England seem to have developed some sort of mental block against Johnson. This guy isn't new, he's been around a while and been dropped by this team before now he's being made to look like the world's number one bowler.

Again I agree but you do underestimate Johnson. He was always a great bowler but very inconsistent. He is no longer inconsistent.

The cockiness of this Australia team will be short lived

Not a chance. Aussies are cocky buggers win lose or draw.

Cook hasn't exactly been the most exciting or attacking captain and maybe he needs to work on that but deserves to continue. There needs to be some people given a shot in the side to bring some competition.

Cook has been terrible as a Captain and should only be retained if the alternatives are even more rubbish.
 
I don't think Johnson was ever a great bowler. He had the tools to become a very good one though. I
Currently we're seeing a bowler who's tweaked his action and has a gained a better control of line and length. He's been the man of the series.
 
I don't think Johnson was ever a great bowler. He had the tools to become a very good one though. I
Currently we're seeing a bowler who's tweaked his action and has a gained a better control of line and length. He's been the man of the series.

I suppose it depends on your definition of great but he seems to have removed the biggest weakness from his game, namely inconsistency. Not up with the world's all time best fasts but pretty damn good compared to what is around at the moment.
 
Right... let's get a win in this one to at least avoid the whitewash.
 
Root dropped, Ballance in. (Harsh on Root, Ballance deserves his chance)
Borthwick in, international career going to be over if they get after him like they did Kerrigan.
Rankin in for some throw downs.

Not sure I agree with this.
 
Root may not have scored many runs but I don't like how they've handled him. Moving him from opener to #6 then to #3 and now dropped in the space of 6 months. Poor management IMO.
 
Root may not have scored many runs but I don't like how they've handled him. Moving him from opener to #6 then to #3 and now dropped in the space of 6 months. Poor management IMO.


Yep, should have just left him where he was making runs in the first place. Ridiculous management.