I can understand the fans in Japan not being happy. After spending the money to get there and then our best player doesn't play,I'd be pissed off myself but all McCarthy has shown through all this is that he is not able to handle "star players" which is why he will never manage a big club when he leaves the Ireland job. He has found his niche with Ireland, he has the backing of an organisation that wouldn't spend christmas and only changed their own travel arrangements after they were shamed into it. He failed to qualify for the 3 previous tournaments and would have been sacked had we not qualified for the WC, and we qualified mainly through Keano's efforts both through his own displays and his relentless pushing of the team. Our problem is that the FAI are a team of amatures who think they are professional and thats all fine when you have a mediocre team/squad but none of the top brass could handle the fact that we had a genuine world talent who was actually bigger than the team. Typical Irish petty jealousies come into play, as always! It wont be so rough on Duffer/R Keane if they reach the same global heights as the FAI have now had a taste of dealing with a true world star so probably wont make the same mistakes agin(although I woun't bet on it)
I don't think you can argue that Roy storming out was the wisest thing he has ever done! But at the same time, if you put Roy Keane in front of the rest of the squad, and question his commitment, which apparently is what McCarthy did, what sort of reaction did he expect! How can McCarthy do that, and then expect the team to respect his captain? I think the incident says more about McCarthy's shortcomings as a man manager than anything else, and I think I am correct in saying that Roy is the first "big name" he has had to handle. It would have been interesting if he had got the Leeds job!
I think it is generally acknowledged that the FIA couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery! So was Roy wrong to criticise this? If nothing else, if a team goes to the World Cup, the are entitled to have the best, and if they don't get it, isn't it right that the captain, or the manager should speak out? It would seem to me that the FIA have very little to complain about if they can't do their job, and the fact that they don't appear bothered says more about their view of the team than any outburst of Roy Keane's can! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
I think it is generally acknowledged that the FIA couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery! So was Roy wrong to criticise this? If nothing else, if a team goes to the World Cup, the are entitled to have the best, and if they don't get it, isn't it right that the captain, or the manager should speak out? It would seem to me that the FIA have very little to complain about if they can't do their job, and the fact that they don't appear bothered says more about their view of the team than any outburst of Roy Keane's can! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Fiery bunch, you Irish.
I like the fact that Keane has caused such a fuss.
In a nutshell, Keane stood up for what he believed in and paid the price. That is to be admired, whether or not you think he let his country down. That is none of my concern. I'm not Irish and so couldn't give a flying feck about their team.
I WAS gutted that Keane didn't get to display his talents on the biggest stage. He deserved that. But he made his choice. It matters not one bit who agrees with what he did and who doesn't. He sure as hell won't care - why should anyone else?
Oh, and McCarthy is a wanker of the highest order, whether you have him on the right or wrong sode of this little melodrama.
I like the fact that Keane has caused such a fuss.
In a nutshell, Keane stood up for what he believed in and paid the price. That is to be admired, whether or not you think he let his country down. That is none of my concern. I'm not Irish and so couldn't give a flying feck about their team.
I WAS gutted that Keane didn't get to display his talents on the biggest stage. He deserved that. But he made his choice. It matters not one bit who agrees with what he did and who doesn't. He sure as hell won't care - why should anyone else?
Oh, and McCarthy is a wanker of the highest order, whether you have him on the right or wrong sode of this little melodrama.
I have no problem with Keane standing up for the squad but I do have a problem with Keane not putting his difficulties aside with the manager and just fecking stay with the squad. I have a problem that he put his own fecking stubbornish ahead of others.
Keane did walk out as Keane quit the squad first, then he decided to come back after a few heart to hearts. Then he goes to the Irish Times and blasts the manager putting him in a position which was intolerable. All he had to do was keep quiet hold his head up and within 1 fecking day he was out of there.
Then Keane's Solictor Michael Kennedy worked for 3 days to get him back in, all Keane had do do was speak to McCarthy, not apologise, just fecking speak to him. Instead he listened to the great Irishman himself Eamon Dunphy and probably will not play in another WC.
I find it hard to believe you do not know any Irish men who support Keane's view. Out of 10 in my immediate office none want to see Keane back in the Irish Jersey, The only ex-international football player to support him was Paul McGrath, even Dinny Irwin found it hard to understand why he gave up the opportunity to play in the WC. Players from Whelan to Houghton, and ex managers from Charlton to Eoin Hand would have done the same to any player who stood up to them in such away.
RTE Radio yesterday had a phone-in and not one person stood up for Keane.
My opinion is one of respect, and I would say the same if it was David Connelly, Ian Harte or Andy O'Brien, Nuff said on this.
Keane did walk out as Keane quit the squad first, then he decided to come back after a few heart to hearts. Then he goes to the Irish Times and blasts the manager putting him in a position which was intolerable. All he had to do was keep quiet hold his head up and within 1 fecking day he was out of there.
Then Keane's Solictor Michael Kennedy worked for 3 days to get him back in, all Keane had do do was speak to McCarthy, not apologise, just fecking speak to him. Instead he listened to the great Irishman himself Eamon Dunphy and probably will not play in another WC.
I find it hard to believe you do not know any Irish men who support Keane's view. Out of 10 in my immediate office none want to see Keane back in the Irish Jersey, The only ex-international football player to support him was Paul McGrath, even Dinny Irwin found it hard to understand why he gave up the opportunity to play in the WC. Players from Whelan to Houghton, and ex managers from Charlton to Eoin Hand would have done the same to any player who stood up to them in such away.
RTE Radio yesterday had a phone-in and not one person stood up for Keane.
My opinion is one of respect, and I would say the same if it was David Connelly, Ian Harte or Andy O'Brien, Nuff said on this.
As a foreigner living in Dublin I think I'd have to agree with baz...
Most people feel very strong about the issue, and besides the minority who wear shirts with "Michael Collins and Roy Keane - 2 great Corkmen stabbed in the back", I feel most people would take baz's view of the matter.
To say Keane was sent home is a joke. If you tell your boss he is "A fecking wanker who was a crap employee and now is a crap boss and that he is an English cnut", would your wife say you were sacked or that you had yourself sacked? No boss, in football or in business life could ever accept to be spoken to in that way. It was also very stressful for the many young players in the squad.
Face it: Keane lost it and the 6.000 Utdfans in Tolka Park just cannot change the fact that a vast majority of people would say Keane was wrong (or worse). The fact he now wants to start a witchhunt against McCarthy is just petty. It should be no surprise to see that Keane has lost it, looking at the people he calls friends... (ie Eamonn "I hope that Saoudi's beat us" Dunphy and Paul "Let's have another whiskey" McGrath")
As Baz said: opinionpolls and phone-ins may not be a reflection of what the majority of people think, but if they're that conclusive, you'd have to be a Tory in 1997 not to accept something was wrong...
TRM.
PS: Answer to the initial question: no booing from Utdfans, others will just use it as another stick...
Most people feel very strong about the issue, and besides the minority who wear shirts with "Michael Collins and Roy Keane - 2 great Corkmen stabbed in the back", I feel most people would take baz's view of the matter.
To say Keane was sent home is a joke. If you tell your boss he is "A fecking wanker who was a crap employee and now is a crap boss and that he is an English cnut", would your wife say you were sacked or that you had yourself sacked? No boss, in football or in business life could ever accept to be spoken to in that way. It was also very stressful for the many young players in the squad.
Face it: Keane lost it and the 6.000 Utdfans in Tolka Park just cannot change the fact that a vast majority of people would say Keane was wrong (or worse). The fact he now wants to start a witchhunt against McCarthy is just petty. It should be no surprise to see that Keane has lost it, looking at the people he calls friends... (ie Eamonn "I hope that Saoudi's beat us" Dunphy and Paul "Let's have another whiskey" McGrath")
As Baz said: opinionpolls and phone-ins may not be a reflection of what the majority of people think, but if they're that conclusive, you'd have to be a Tory in 1997 not to accept something was wrong...
TRM.
PS: Answer to the initial question: no booing from Utdfans, others will just use it as another stick...
And if any Irish Reds ARE daft enough to slate him at OT then they are unlikely to make it home in the condition in which they arrived.
Wonderfully predictable. Just stating a fact, nothing more.
good post by the red machine.
incidentally, eamonn dunphy is a steaming heap of shite. . .
incidentally, eamonn dunphy is a steaming heap of shite. . .
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>good post by the red machine.
incidentally, eamonn dunphy is a steaming heap of shite. . .</strong><hr></blockquote>
Agreed
BTW MOM you never got that question of mine.
isappointed:
Ah well, there goes the freedom of expression then!
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>Ah well, there goes the freedom of expression then!
Freedom of expression in a Republic? Nah...
Keane is not a pussy, he is a proud man, captain of the greatest football club in the world, he didn't get their by being the type of pussy to kowtow to a small man like McCarthy. If people don't get this, they should go fcuk off and support Barnsley.
Any Utd fan worth their salt would be behind Roy.
As for the begruders.......
small people, small minds , small hearts....small, small, small.............
Any Utd fan worth their salt would be behind Roy.
As for the begruders.......
small people, small minds , small hearts....small, small, small.............
Ah yes, I forgot the Stretford End is the republic of Mancunia. The last game I got to see was the Nantes match and the little oul'wan beside me kept giving out shite about Ruud and the way he never passed the ball. It was quite funny actually but looking back on it I really should have cracked her one in the jaw to shut her up.
The last game I got to see was the Nantes match and the little oul'wan beside me kept giving out shite about Ruud and the way he never passed the ball. It was quite funny actually but looking back on it I really should have cracked her one in the jaw to shut her up.