In fact, what odds can you get, I might stick some cash on it if they're good!
Arsenal Mania: Brace Yourselves
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It's in Olympiakos hands. Who is to say they can't get a point against Bayern?
Well yes - you may not have noticed this before, but it being in one team's hands doesn't mean it's not also in another team's hands.
The most likely scenario is that we go into the final match day with it being a straight show-down between the two of them, albeit one where Olympiakos have a head-start. But Arsenal should be better than Olympiakos - take the match out of the context of their shit CL campaign so far, and you'd expect Arsenal to have a decent chance of winning there.
They'll draw to Dinamo and not even make it to the final group match.
nice convenient little draw Bayern v Olympiakos = 2 games rest for them innit?
Not if Bayern want the top spot.
Hope Arsenal smash Dinamo and Olympiacos get a point against Bayern.
Want the cnuts to go into the Europa League.
Want the cnuts to go into the Europa League.
This is the same Olympiakos that will have everything to play for and have already beaten Arsenal in London though.
It's november
I like this, but am seeing a tiny flaw in the overall thrust of the argument.
Erm what?
You see their home record? Never mind Arsenal having to win by two
OK. you're right. There is zero chance of Arsenal beating Olympiakos, it would be the freakiest result ever.
Don't be silly, I just don't think Arsenal should automatically enter the game as favorites."What" as in you don't understand the concept, or "what" as in you are asking why I'm pointing out something so obvious?
I enjoyed that. This lot needed a bit bringing down to earth. Even my mate who's a Gooner started picking on me - BFS is way too slow/you're not creating anything, etc. He was hoping a draw tonight. Too bad it didn't happen.
I didn't say they are. You'd be mad to call them favourites to qualify, but they have a decent fighting chance, whereas you'd think from the general reaction (and from glancing at the table) that they are dead and buried.
I think the injuries and availability of players will go a long way to determine how they do. Their defence for example looked well out of their depth tonight and with walcott and ox, they offered little up top either. I know it was against Bayern but Olympiakos with throw everything at them if they need a result to go through. i can actually see a reverse of the 1989 title decider against Liverpool, when they need to win by 2 but win it 0-1
I think he was questioning the fact you're using the concept for multiple teams at once. If one team gets the results they need, then it's not really in the other teams hands anymore is it?
It's not in Arsenal's hands though. Granted it's unlikely but if Olym draw or beat Bayern then they are through and Arsenal go out.
It can only be in both teams hands if the only game they have to play is against each other, that's not the case here.
He clearly said IF Arsenal win and IF Bayern win against Olympiakos in the next round (which are the most likely results in that round), THEN it's in Arsenal's hands in the last round.
Not sure if you're serious here... You really don't understand how a competition can be in two or more teams' hands?
There's a lot of ifs there. Its so far out of their hands they are struggling to touch it with their finger tips.
Sounds well interesting that does you should start a podcast.
Stop sounding so condescending for a moment. I just answered your question about what I thought he was questioning.
Team A and team B are going for the same thing. If it's in team B's hands, and they get a result, it doesn't matter what team A does. Make sense? I believe that's what he was questioning.
True, but it's in Olympiakos hands first, not Arsenals. Arsenal are relying on other results first before they hope to have it in their hands. Which doesn't typically lend itself to the phrase.
In their hands means that they don't need to rely on any other fixtures. Ergo the odd situation that it, potentially, is in both of their hands.
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A convenient draw for Bayern and Olympiakos next game, and Bayern smash Dynamo last game and they are all happy.
Le Arse is out.
Le Arse is out.
Arsenal do love their fourth spot, don't they.
You can say what you want, but they are on course to win another trophy by the end of the year!
Their game thread from page 26 onwards (when the goal was disallowed) is quite special tbh.
Bayern will pump Olympiakos in the next game and Arsenal will win by two in Greece, once they go over with a reasonably fit squad.
Yeah, sure. It's hypothetical.
His argument is clear enough, though.
* It's likely that both Bayern and Arsenal will win their next match.
* IF that happens Arsenal control their own fate in the last round.
* Thus, the idea that they're already fecked isn't well founded.
He doesn't say they're in control of their fate here and now - that only holds true IF the likeliest scenario for the next round actually plays out.
Extremely interesting as this debate is, however, it has very little to do with Arsenal Mania and its meltdowns.
Wait, are Arsenal hanging on by the skin of their teeth? Is there still a chance for them?
Watching that prick Piers Morgan meltdown is funny enough for me.
I think they need to win both their remaining games, and hope Olympiakos get nothing against Bayern. Tough task for them.
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