Arsenal Mania: Brace Yourselves

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I see their current malaise as karma for Le Invincibles. That team was a bunch of thunderc*nts. It's only appropriate that they now become a perpetual laughing stock after all that fawnings over 'beautiful football'.

In all honesty, they are in a catch-22 situation. Years of underachieving have turned them into somewhat of a second rate team in the eyes of the football world, they can't buy the very top players - unless there are circumstances that make it possible (Ozil, Sanchez), and without the very top players, they keep winning feck all, and the impression deepens.
 
The funniest thing is, there are people who seem to be genuinely surprised by Arsenals start to the season.

For some reason they thought signing a keeper who if anything was a direct side grade to the one they already had would:

Fix their error prone centre halves.
Make all their mid fielders want to tackle.
Give them a 20 goal a season striker.
Make Wenger give a feck about winning something.

For some people, Arsenal were favourites for a title challenge this year, when in fact, they are as far away as they have ever been.

Expect 72-75 points and a 3rd or 4th finish same as always.
 
Boycott said:
They're full of outcome-bias. Every time they lose it's Wenger out. Wenger can't hold his players' hands out there. No middle ground or perspective. I feel a fair proportion of their fans take pleasure from finding negatives.
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Sounds like the Caf!

Seriously though, i had a quick look at Arsenal Mania and they seem quite a lot better than RAWK or Bluemoon.
 
Archie Leach said:
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Raoul said:
Could be a massive year in the Prem in terms of management turnover, with the likes of Brentan, Wenger, and Mourinho moving on.
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I thought that to. Add Pellegrini if he fail to win major trophy this season. And this would be a great opportunity for LVG, we all saw wha happened when all three top clubs changed their managers - they were all stumbling and Liverpool did take advantage of that.
Saying that, it will be very difficult for Mourinho and Rodgers to keep their jobs till summer if they don't improve.

suheilsworld said:
Compared to the fans of Pool, City and Chelsea, fans of Arsenal are much better to be around :p
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As much as i know opposition fans Chelsea ones are usually the best. They always accept how good is their team and rarely hype their players (apart from Hazard). Liverpool ones i know from my country are often older guys who are great to hangout arround. They are usually a little deluded but most of them accept that their team is just not good enough, maybe because i never meet a true scouser i have a good opinion on their fans - saying that the ones on RAWK are as deluded as possible. I don't know any City fan in real life but as much as i read Bluemoon is not true benchmark to rate their fans. I often just don't give a shit about City or their fans.

But Arsenal - they are in total other group. I didn't meet as deluded fans as Arsenal ones are. Everytime they are doing great they hype their team to unreasonable level and have to explain everyone how good their payers are and about how they develop their players and so on. I really hate Arsenal fans, the ones i know in real life and the ones on the internet they are the worst. I just hope they get their wish granted and Arsenal sack Wenger because i think this could be a start of rapid decline of Arsenal.

InfiniteBoredom said:
I see their current malaise as karma for Le Invincibles. That team was a bunch of thunderc*nts. It's only appropriate that they now become a perpetual laughing stock after all that fawnings over 'beautiful football'.

In all honesty, they are in a catch-22 situation. Years of underachieving have turned them into somewhat of a second rate team in the eyes of the football world, they can't buy the very top players - unless there are circumstances that make it possible (Ozil, Sanchez), and without the very top players, they keep winning feck all, and the impression deepens.
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I do think Arsenal have the power and reputation to sign very best players. They still have pretty good squad, manager who is rated very highly and a reputation of the one of the best teams in England. They don't sign best players because 1) Wenger doesn't want to spend money and he overrate his players or 2) owners don't want to give to much money to Wenger. I wouldn't be suprised if the real reason is the second one.
 
Some great comments there tbf. Also, what's up with wearing that medal?

 
Its like the Hawthorne effect.. they realized they were getting attention and now they are just amping up their reaction to 11 for the cameras.
It has stopped being fun for me
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I see their current malaise as karma for Le Invincibles. That team was a bunch of thunderc*nts. It's only appropriate that they now become a perpetual laughing stock after all that fawnings over 'beautiful football'.

In all honesty, they are in a catch-22 situation. Years of underachieving have turned them into somewhat of a second rate team in the eyes of the football world, they can't buy the very top players - unless there are circumstances that make it possible (Ozil, Sanchez), and without the very top players, they keep winning feck all, and the impression deepens.
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This :lol:
 
That's the risk of having a manager at a club for a long long time irrespective on whether he wins honours or not. His ideology becomes more important for him than the success he's bound to bring
 
It's funny how Arsenal fans and the pundits in the media expected Arsenal to do well, when in reality they've just strengthened one area. Cech is a very good goalkeeper, but the influence of his signing was overrated. There are some Arsenal fans who genuinely believe that there wasn't an upgrade to Coquelin or Giroud in the market.
 
A gritty midfielder who grabs his teammates by the scruff of the neck when the chips are down is what they've been crying out for for years. Instead, he buys another tricky ponce, and the cycle of doing just enough to stay in the top 4 repeats.
 
A lot has been made of the decision to play Ospina but has Wenger given any real reason as to why he rested Monreal in a must win game?
 
prateik said:
Its like the Hawthorne effect.. they realized they were getting attention and now they are just amping up their reaction to 11 for the cameras.
It has stopped being fun for me
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You need to meet some of these guys. To me, they're simply a bit nuts.
 
Long way to go but if Arsenal lose both games to Bayern and Olympiacos manage to get to 7 points after 4 games I reckon Wenger will just throw the last 2 games to avoid going down to Europa
 
KM said:
It's funny how Arsenal fans and the pundits in the media expected Arsenal to do well, when in reality they've just strengthened one area. Cech is a very good goalkeeper, but the influence of his signing was overrated. There are some Arsenal fans who genuinely believe that there wasn't an upgrade to Coquelin or Giroud in the market.
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do you dare question the wisdom of our god and almighty paul merson? do you not remember his prophecy of arsenal having a better transfer window than us purely based on the fact they bought cech, even though we managed to re-sign a superior goalkeeper and strengthen in many other areas?
 
I'd say the most damning indication that Wenger has lost touch is Martial.

Of all managers in the World, the Wenger of old would've been all over Martial like a rash from a very early age - all the reports say that Martial has been head and shoulders above his peer groups. However, Wenger recently said that he effectively didn't go for him because he had other players in his position "like Joel Campbell".

1. Joel Campbell is a wide player and clearly nothing like Martial. Martial would have been perfect for Arsenal as a #9.

2. Joel Campbell is the reason Arsene decided not to look closer at one of the hottest prospects in the game?!?

He's become institutionalised at Arsenal and can't see beyond his own perception of quality on the training ground.
 
acrebo said:
He's become institutionalised at Arsenal and can't see beyond his own perception of quality on the training ground.
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Also, like SAF, he seems to have a different notion (maybe old-school!) of "value"! Yeah, he spent big on Sanchez and Ozil, but they were the finished products.

Wenger was afraid to spend that much on Martial, a 19 year old it seems. If Martial was available for 10-15m, I'm sure Arsene would have taken the gamble and tried to develop him into one of the world's best.

At 36m though, hell, that gamble on talent scared even me. Though I'm glad Woody and co did it. Martial's quality to succeed is evident. Let's hope he gets there! Wengers comments on him was a bit weird though. He's a wide player. Especially for someone who's supposedly been following Martial's progress for years.
 
Ducklegs said:
The funniest thing is, there are people who seem to be genuinely surprised by Arsenals start to the season.

For some reason they thought signing a keeper who if anything was a direct side grade to the one they already had would:

Fix their error prone centre halves.
Make all their mid fielders want to tackle.
Give them a 20 goal a season striker.
Make Wenger give a feck about winning something.

For some people, Arsenal were favourites for a title challenge this year, when in fact, they are as far away as they have ever been.

Expect 72-75 points and a 3rd or 4th finish same as always.
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Was saying exactly this on the summer when people were putting them as potential title challengers.

They are the same team as in the previous years, with their only good striker being in some bad form.
 
While we have some good Arsenal fans here, they are easily the most smugish fans right there. The meltdown or Arsenal fans is one of the best things right there. It is like Liverpool fans meltdown, but on steroids. While LFC fans are in most cases putting a straight face, Arsenal fans really believe each summer that it will be their year. They were convinced this summer that they'll be great, cause now they aren't forced to lose their best players and they play the sexiest football in Milky Way.

I genuinely don't know why Wenger is still rated here. If your ambitions start and end by getting a fourth place, then he is the perfect manager. But if you aspire more, then Wenger is one of the worst managers right there.
 
x42bn6 said:
Arsenal Mania is easily the most melodramatic forum out there. It's all the years of self-inflicted despair, all the false starts, the highs, and the many more lows.
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I hope by "self" you're talking about the club/manager rather than the fans? It must be an exquisitely frustrating club to support and they're paying through the fecking nose for the honour too.
 
The annual meltdown of Piers Morgan is brilliant. He never disappoints in this regards. It is already expected each season, the only question is when. :D
 
Revan said:
While we have some good Arsenal fans here, they are easily the most smugish fans right there. The meltdown or Arsenal fans is one of the best things right there. It is like Liverpool fans meltdown, but on steroids. While LFC fans are in most cases putting a straight face, Arsenal fans really believe each summer that it will be their year. They were convinced this summer that they'll be great, cause now they aren't forced to lose their best players and they play the sexiest football in Milky Way.

I genuinely don't know why Wenger is still rated here. If your ambitions start and end by getting a fourth place, then he is the perfect manager. But if you aspire more, then Wenger is one of the worst managers right there.
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They go into Peak Arsenal mode when somebody dares to criticise Mesut Ozil. Immediately you'll see hordes of Arsenal fans bringing out the "Key passes" and "dribbled past players" stat whilst also patronisingly explaining to you that us simple minds can't see the greatness of Mesut Ozil.
 
Giggsy PO said:
The annual meltdown of Piers Morgan is brilliant. He never disappoints in this regards. It is already expected each season, the only question is when. :D
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I hate to defend him, but I do think that his complaints are becoming genuine now.
 
How unlike Piers to place himself at the centre of attention...
 
KM said:
I hate to defend him, but I do think that his complaints are becoming genuine now.
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They always were. However, he gets the superiority complex in the end of the season (like all Arsenal fans) and makes peace with Wenger after their secure their fourth place. Then spends the summer posting how grand they are. And lies a lot by saying that he always rated certain players, despite that only a few months ago he was saying that those certain players were shit.

But yeah, the most important part that Wenger should be out, is genuinely right. There really shouldn't be excuses anymore. I hope that he continues to be their manager, cause they don't have a chance of winning an important trophy with him and the matches against them are some of the easiest matches we have all season.
 
Piers Morgan has legitimate complaints but he is incredibly fickle. I've seen at least a dozen instances where he praises Wenger and calls for his sacking during the same game.
 
On Martial.
United have replaced Henry before Arsenal have
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I can't blame their fans for being pissed off, he was supposed to have £150-200m to spend in the summer and he goes off and buys a cheap goal keeper. What's the deal? I'd like to think its the boards fault but my guess is he's lost the plot.

True there was no value in the market for great strikers even if they were available but he could've at least took a gamble on Lacazette.
 
How many times have we been through this ''Wenger out'' shite? He'll start consistently beating the cannon fodder soon enough, secure 4th, and everything will be rosy again.
 
Out of every manager in the PL at the moment I would suggest that Wenger is the one who most consistently effects his team in a negative way. It's like Arsenal have a ten point handicap every year. If he were managing any other club he would have gone a long, long time ago. His arrogance us ridiculous as is his ego and if I were an Arsenal fan I would be absolutely livid
 
They need a new manager, someone who's going to come in and invest £100m or so to freshen the place up. I can't believe they signed a goalkeeper in the summer when it was widely reported that around £200m was available for transfers.


He likes having an excuse, if Wenger would have spent the money he would have been expected to win the league, now he's spent feck all he will just point to City and ourselves spending the cash, I think he already commented on Martial being too expensive but who gives a feck if he helps us challenge for the title.
 
ants7 said:
Some great comments there tbf. Also, what's up with wearing that medal?

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It's nice to see an arsenal fan not be incredibly defeatist about there entire season already, however? Poor TY must have had magic mushroom tea in that water bottle.The level of delusion about how he seen Arsenal's performance was astounding,not sure you would even hear a Liverpool fan go that far .To almost suggest that an offside was the reason for the defeat is incredible.That medal he's wearing must give him special powers to hear what is going on Wengers mind.I doubt he told them that about Cech and koscielny.He couldn't have kept it on down low to the press after being grilled last night.I'd still take a draw at the Emirates on Sunday,I can't see us not scoring against Arsenal's shit defence on Sunday.
 
I'd be melting down if I was them. I think in so many ways Wenger is fantastic, and badly underrated, but the exact same thing is happening to them in Europe again and again and again. He had lots of money this summer, and basically just needed to make one big signing (other than the one he made, Cech, which was a perfect decision until he... didn't play him in an absolutely vital must-win game :wenger:.)

I know it probably wasn't an option, but if Schweinsteiger had gone to Arsenal instead of us, they could basically wave goodbye to this inability to keep their heads and stay defensively stable in Europe. Solving their problem is that simple. One world-class, experienced, match-running DM.

Cech
Bellerin Mertesacker Koscielny Gibbs
Schweinsteiger Coquelin
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I'm not sure that team would have conceded any of the goals they did against Olympiakos.

It's games like this that make me think there is no systematic issue affecting PL clubs in the CL. It's not got that much to do with the greater toll exacted by the PL's intensity. Each of the underperforming clubs just has it's own perennial problem:

-Under Wenger, Arsenal are incapable of matching their superb attacking football with some defensive nous, pragmatism and stability.

-Under Mourinho, Chelsea are just too good a side to effectively play shut-the-shop Mourinho-ball... but it's the only strategy he seems willing to use. Their various games against PSG in recent years have been the epitome of this - playing aggressively, they could have won comfortably. Instead they played some weird, nervous, half-defensive version of their game and ended up both attacking and defending poorly.

-United's case is more straightforward, we have genuinely declined in the late- and post-Fergie years. Fortunately we now seem to be slowly gaining ground again, but it will take a few seasons.

-City are maybe the one team who have mostly just struggled with the joint demands of league and CL. Also they have a very obvious mental hoodoo. Their best players at the moment are also their most experienced players, the leaders of the team: Hart, Kompany, Toure, Silva, Aguero. These are the ones who have seen them inexplicably lose to worse teams again and again to fail in the CL, so now you have an England-esque confidence complex, where the leading players, the senior players, have a problem which will lead to further failures and thus infect the younger, developing players, unless the cycle can be arrested.
 
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Remember when Sanchez turned down United because he wanted CL football?
Good times..
Always struck me how short sighted that was. It's like joining Aston Villa or Sunderland because you want to play in the Premier League.
 
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