Argentina National Team | general thread

That's more like it., yet they must keep scoring and not be that casual like the chance after the last goal
 
This is embarrassing. Everyone currently employed by or associated with the CBF must be sacked first thing tomorrow. Clean house.
 
Nico with what I hope it's his first Clasico, I hope he has at least one chance
 
Just learned of Nico Paz a few moments ago. Now tuned into the match to see him come on as a sub. Look forward to see him.
 
Everyone wants his goal now, great strike by Paredes (great save by bento too) yet he could still keep the ball. Lots of subs by Scaloni now. Too many perhaps
 
Well, everyone trying their shot...

PD: I dunno why Raphina talked so much prior to the match out of nothing.
PD2: Already qualified and a great match to celebrated. Hope that Scaloni starts to try lots of new players
 
Best national team at the morment best midfield in internacional football.

If raphina didn’t talk this wouldve been a different match
 
Fobal said:
Well, everyone trying their shot...

PD: I dunno why Raphina talked so much prior to the match out of nothing.
PD2: Already qualified and a great match to celebrated. Hope that Scaloni starts to try lots of new players
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Because he's fecking shit

Seriously I'm so sick of him and Rodrygo
 
Given the venue Argentina has a good chance to defeat the curse and possibly win back to back World Cups, as long as they don't succumb to hubris? Brazil are so slow in comparison and their best players always go MIA; Vini doesn't deserve a Ballon until he actually does something significant in a Brazil kit.

Perhaps Cholo collecting Argentineans at Atleti e.g. Molina, Alvarez, Correa, De Paul, Guiliano helps, they currently play with more synergy and cohesiveness than most NTs and almost like a club side, like an international version of Atleti, and that's more than enough to win international tournaments.
 
lexisonfire said:
Given the venue Argentina has a good chance to defeat the curse and possibly win back to back World Cups, as long as they don't succumb to hubris? Brazil are so slow in comparison and their best players always go MIA; Vini doesn't deserve a Ballon until he actually does something significant in a Brazil kit.

Perhaps Cholo collecting Argentineans at Atleti e.g. Molina, Alvarez, Correa, De Paul, Guiliano helps, they currently play with more synergy and cohesiveness than most NTs and almost like a club side, like an international version of Atleti, and that's more than enough to win international tournaments.
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Nah, that was in the past, in the old days that always helped us, like it helped Spain and Germany (more in recent times).

Yet in our case, is Scaloni, he is a great coach, a very serious one that commands everyone ego, keeps them in check and around a global idea he prepares every game in detail, the staff coach BTW it's full of gems with Ayala, Samuel, Aimar, top top blokes.

PD: Cholo deserves the praise of giving Alvarez a prime role to get the best of him, he is in great great form.
 
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Big Ben Foster said:
Because he's fecking shit

Seriously I'm so sick of him and Rodrygo
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He is having a hell of a season, but I trully don't get why with his talent and the season he is having he can be so dumb to talk that much, less to an Scaloni team that it's like talking shyte against a Bianchi Boca side, you don't fecking do that.
BTW at one point in the match even his mates were tired of him complaining.
 
Fobal said:
He is having a hell of a season, but I trully don't get why with his talent and the season he is having he can be so dumb to talk that much, less to an Scaloni team that it's like talking shyte against a Bianchi Boca side, you don't fecking do that.
BTW at one point in the match even his mates were tired of him complaining.
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Yeah, for his club. Until he starts doing it consistently in a Brazil shirt, he should keep his mouth shut.
 
Fobal said:
PD: Cholo deserves the praise of giving Alvarez a prime role to get the best of him, he is in great great form.
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He's probably going to sign Romero from Spurs as well. Your midfielders are also really good such that the team is still creative despite Messi's soft retirement and absences which is impressive. As long as Enzo, Alexis, De Paul, Paredes avoid injury and stay fit you have a good chance.
 
Why did he even shit talk to begin with, is there some drama im unaware of ?

This is not the Brazil team of the yore, I don't think they'd have much of a chance in the next world cup.
 
Argentina has a lot of good players and all are fighters. McAllister, Enzo and De Paul work well together and Alvarez is on fire.

Brazil’s defense and midfield are subpar, that’s the problem, all those great forwards can’t do shit if they are outplayed constantly.
 
They don't even need Messi and his lack of work rate due to age will actually be a liability against the top teams.
 
Mb194dc said:
They don't even need Messi and his lack of work rate due to age will actually be a liability against the top teams.
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He'd be a heck of a super sub to bring on against a tired defense

Big Ben Foster said:
This is embarrassing. Everyone currently employed by or associated with the CBF must be sacked first thing tomorrow. Clean house.
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The coaching and player selection just seems haphazard on Brazil's end.
 
These Argies play for the team and always have the word ‘team’ in their minds. They are like warriors on the field — they are the true definition of the word ‘team’.
 
Fobal said:
I preffer him to go back to stay another year in Como if they stay in first division. I like Cesc being his mentor.
To go back to MAdrid with real chance to play and if it's not the case, that Inter buys him, I think he'll settle great with Lautaro in them pitch and Zanetti in the office.
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Yeah, going to Madrid is not in his best interest right now - a bit like Odegaard (plus Guler, Brahim etc.). Very competitive over there.
 
As well as really playing with proper togetherness, few teams are tied quite as deeply to their national identity. These guys are perhaps the biggest heroes in Argentina to the general public, for better or for worse. They literally fight and play for their fans and are an extension of them on the field. It is rare in international football. That is why a team that has never been excellent on paper (although with lots of good players) and with a manager who is not excellent on paper has managed to win the WC and continue to look dominant. Every time they are set to play and I see the defense and midfield, I think it is a decent but not overly impressive team. Then they go an win.
 
Said it at the end of the last WC that Argentina, even minus Messi, would still be a top contender come 2026.

They have too many quality young technical players coming through and the midfielders are all in their prime.
 
Semigoodlookin said:
As well as really playing with proper togetherness, few teams are tied quite as deeply to their national identity. These guys are perhaps the biggest heroes in Argentina to the general public, for better or for worse. They literally fight and play for their fans and are an extension of them on the field. It is rare in international football. That is why a team that has never been excellent on paper (although with lots of good players) and with a manager who is not excellent on paper has managed to win the WC and continue to look dominant. Every time they are set to play and I see the defense and midfield, I think it is a decent but not overly impressive team. Then they go an win.
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There it's quite a lot of true in your post, yet it's not entirely right in many aspects too, in fact we had to deal with harsh times before even if the players were comitted and felt the t-shirt, I don't think any of the Brazilians in the pitch yesterday didn't feel the t-shirt, it's just that when shyte it's all around, it just drowns everything.

Decent teams are not capable of doing what these lads are doing since time, nor simply play at the level this last match was played.
Neither Scaloni for that matter and his excellent many times overlooked staff are just ok, after 6 years of making a team play like a proper team, doesn't feel fair that we still talk on paper and he still cannot be considered excellent at his job, he was inexperienced of course, but time has pass, too many water under the bridge to not give the guy his credit.

I'll sound a bit cocky here perhaps, but we actually are a Nation that knows a thing or too about genius/phenom alike players since the first day anyone kicked a ball in the world till today, even if our NT or Federation was a mess, we were blessed with tose fellas since the first minute, so we are the first to know if there is some of those freaks or not there. Sometimes lots of fans around the world demeriting the quality of many of our players while naming world class almost every other fvcker around it's kind of annoying (BTW I'm not reffering to you, I'm reffering of how easily the new kid from Chelsea, Man Utd, etc instantly a world beater and such).
So what I imply it's that we know when we have proper one of those Genius/Phenom alike or not, we know them first hand. In fact we had players in the past that the world barely knows (because they never left the country or becasue they are far in the past of the game) that where equal or even better than so many other more recognized Legends in the world. To make it more plain, no one would have to explain us that Almada it's not Messi.

Yet, and big one YET, this is not a team of just decent to good players, it's way more than that and new fellas will come. Also the path for the majority of these fellas to even have a game in the bigger Leagues (the ones that give you a name, a status, even if it's not entirely fair), it's way harder than for any other homegrown player. This it's like that around the world at any big traditional League since always, this also contributes to sometimes demerit foreign players. Not giving them silly notions like world class and such as fast and easily as local boys, I've read here that even players of the Caliber of Tevez wasn't World Class, while he might be the freaking epithome of it, even if he of course wasn't freaking Maradona.
So I think that because Lautaro, Alvarez, Alexis and so many are too many times named as mere good or decent, might be time to wake up and smell the coffee. Them not being Kempes, Kun or Redondo doesn't take away from them being really good, excellent elite players, equall or sometimes even better than so many of the more famous local boys on any Euro Traditional League.



Now more in a real world analysis, leaving perceptions, opnions and general views aside.
I think Scaloni will have a hard time to renovate, given many of his already established players are still very young, yet he has to do it.
A big mistake from former Champions (on any competition) it's to stick too much with the usual suspects while not rattle those a bit with new incorporations. The thing it's that the core, it's still very young to open spaces for newcomers.
I think now Scaloni had created a mid (and a team in general) with the solidarity to defend of an army of Gatussos, yet at the same time with great feet, that also works having solidarity to offer themselves as options of pass. All of them with composure to hold the ball and a slick pass if needed, polivalent, not celarly as easy to tag as former players in one role. Many with a past of former 10's at least when young, it's a rare approach from Scaloni that created a great sinergy.

The thing for me it's that you also need our typical dinamic dribblers, magicians, to add the strawberry on the top of the cake with an already team that plays like that.
We can deal without a trully almost only focus on scoring sriker a la Crespo, Batistuta, with all rounders full comitted with goal like Alvarez (everyday closer to our very own great Villa) or Lautaro, but time will come when you'll need Di Marias, Messi's, Bertonis, Sivoris, to break walls and create sthg out of nothing.
Nico Paz looks promising, yet he is more in the mold of what we already have, with more dribbling and a more offensive approach, still I want him to be tried from now on.
Echeverri, Mastantuono, Subriare, Soule, etc etc all of them quite young, some very young and the majority a bit lightweight, time will tell, yet we need these type of fellas.
Almada it's the only one starting his mature stage, with such profile, yet with a bizarre carreer so far, let's hope he plays from now on like these two matches and he earns his place in Lyon. The kid has talent, has dribble, great control, helps all over the pitch and a mean strike in him, still not as intelligent (these last two matches he shout my mouth regarding this aspect) or powerfull or pacey as I would like him to be. He could be great in transition if some of the mentioend kids developes in some trully special lad. Well even him can become a lot better, he's still quite young.

We need also better fullbacks, Molina seems by now that would never be the player that his excellent physique and power could have provide, he is too dumb too many times, yet a decent bloke that on his day can unlock sthg and on his bad day fecked it up badly.
Tagliafico it's having a second youth, the guy it's really playing great in Lyon and with us, he just feels great it seems, yet he is no Zanetti. There are some kids like that Soler that looked great, yet when too soon to the EPL to Bournemouth, big chances that he ends in nothing. So more than probably will have to settle with whomever we play there to at least be competent and not fvcked up the sinergy of the team with its passing.

Scaloni will have toruble with his idea of Romero and Lisandro if both keep getting injured time and again, I don't want a WC with Pezzella there. Sadly I dunno what happens with Anselmino in Chelsea, he looked like a great prospect the very little he played in Boca, we'll see what he does there or if eh even ahs a chance.
We'll see what he does from now, who he tries, who grabs that opportunity to gain a place.

OK that was a very fecking long post, my bad.
 
BTW that Vintage look Argie T Shirt looks gorgeous, trully great kit, the best in many years.
 
Argentina look like the best team in the world today. But it's a team with few creative players apart from Messi. Let's not forget the World Cup in which Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia and depended on Messi's brilliance. Argentina will certainly face penalty shoot-outs at the World Cup.

Brazil, on the other hand, has a very poor midfield, both in terms of creation and destruction. Their forwards still have a lot of flair (vini jr, rodrigo, raphinha etc), but without a midfield they're going nowhere
 
On a side note, how has the mighty Brazil fallen. If you look at their team compared to their past teams, it is shocking how the quality has dropped

For Argentina, it will be interesting to see how the solve the Messi situation (similar to Portugal with Ronaldo)
 
Escobar said:
On a side note, how has the mighty Brazil fallen. If you look at their team compared to their past teams, it is shocking how the quality has dropped

For Argentina, it will be interesting to see how the solve the Messi situation (similar to Portugal with Ronaldo)
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Its because the current crop of Brazilians think they are better than they are. They talk too much and deliver not so much.

What a turnaround for the Argentine manager, from being under massive pressure to winning the WC and now looking quite good.
 
The Brazil team is horrible. How have they fallen so far?
 
lexisonfire said:
Given the venue Argentina has a good chance to defeat the curse and possibly win back to back World Cups, as long as they don't succumb to hubris? Brazil are so slow in comparison and their best players always go MIA; Vini doesn't deserve a Ballon until he actually does something significant in a Brazil kit.

Perhaps Cholo collecting Argentineans at Atleti e.g. Molina, Alvarez, Correa, De Paul, Guiliano helps, they currently play with more synergy and cohesiveness than most NTs and almost like a club side, like an international version of Atleti, and that's more than enough to win international tournaments.
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Very very unlikely, I'd say. If Argentina win in 2026, that would be four international tournament wins in a row, which is ridiculous.

It's hard enough going back to back in World Cups (hasn't been done since Pele and Garrincha, and has only been done twice overall: I don't even count the Mussolini Italy B2B), but going back to back in World Cups AND your continental tournament?!? I can't see it. That would make this the greatest international team of all time, and good as they are, it doesn't really feel like they are on that level. Certainly the individual players are not quite of that calibre.

By the way, the cohesiveness is nothing to do with overrated Simeone: it's purely because Scaloni turned out to be a freaking genius. Who could have predicted that?
 
al.gabiru said:
Argentina look like the best team in the world today. But it's a team with few creative players apart from Messi. Let's not forget the World Cup in which Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia and depended on Messi's brilliance. Argentina will certainly face penalty shoot-outs at the World Cup.

Brazil, on the other hand, has a very poor midfield, both in terms of creation and destruction. Their forwards still have a lot of flair (vini jr, rodrigo, raphinha etc), but without a midfield they're going nowhere
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I won't say per se creativity when you have so many technical mids and well rounded forwards.
Yet we need more dribblers, more young guns with such style, not to replace per se the likes of Di Maria and Messi, it doesn't exist such thing, specially with the later, yet with that dinamic profile.

I guess because of injuries, Scaloni never trusted too much Dybala, Almada is gaining his place, we'll see what happens with many promising youngsters with such profile or close to it.

The Saudi reference it's a bit off, that was a match that without that sudden new tech would have been won in a walking manner (maybe it even helped to loose that one) and suddenly it all went to shyte and the ghosts from the past appeared and the team sort of panic.
In fact it also killed Lautaro's condifence (even if he was more than probaly in his words not fully fit), he had a great game with till today one of his goals not seeing how on hell he was offisde and after that he started one of his missfiring periods.
Facing many penalties was more due to actually bad finishing, lowering the intensity and attacking ending shooting at our very own feet than nothing else, there was no match in the WC where we weren't for the major part the best team and at moments we had games in the bag that we open up due more to some that mentioned lack of intensity or individual mistakes (like recent last match Cuti's mistake) than actually being overrun.
 
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Lay said:
The Brazil team is horrible. How have they fallen so far?
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It happens to any team that doesn't play as such, no matter names. Trust me, both Brazilians and Argentinians know quite a lot about that.
 
Lay said:
The Brazil team is horrible. How have they fallen so far?
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If you look at the team, there is some talent there. Perhaps not of the level of previous Brazil teams, but a side with Vini, Rodrygo, Raphinha, Gabriel (usually), Marquinhos, Endrick etc. should not be this bad. Maybe it's a coaching issue.
 
Escobar said:
On a side note, how has the mighty Brazil fallen. If you look at their team compared to their past teams, it is shocking how the quality has dropped

For Argentina, it will be interesting to see how the solve the Messi situation (similar to Portugal with Ronaldo)
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It is not clear that there is a 'Messi problem' yet. The difference with Ronaldo is that Portugal have tried the last 2 tournaments with his old bones and it hasn't worked. That's not the case with Argentina. And good performances in qualifying can't really give us the answer either. I think they probably still need him. I've seen quite a few Argentina games without him where they've looked bad, so it's not as if they are automatically better without him.

The irony is that if Argentina don't win their fourth tournament in a row, there will be those who blame Messi, and assume that the team would have won it without him. Rather than just being logical, and realising that winning back to back World Cups is almost impossible.
 
Lay said:
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They're not above going through massive lulls like this. Reminds me of the post-Ronaldo/Rivaldo/Ronaldinho, pre-Neymar team that would rock up to tournaments with dossers like Fred (not our one) and Jo (Everton legend) as the main strikers.

Their midfield and forward options for the 2010 World Cup were Felipe Melo, Michel Bastos, Julio Baptista, Kaka (Real Madrid version), Gilberto Silva (past it and playing in the Greek league), Luis Fabiano, Nilmar, Robinho, Gilberto Melo, Ramires, Elano, Josue, Grafite and Kleberson (8 years after his glory days).
 
Escobar said:
On a side note, how has the mighty Brazil fallen. If you look at their team compared to their past teams, it is shocking how the quality has dropped

For Argentina, it will be interesting to see how the solve the Messi situation (similar to Portugal with Ronaldo)
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Like their beef, it's all about quantity and not quality.

Brazil doesn't develop players for Brazil anymore, it's all about selling them on to foreign markets.
 
Kwabs said:
It is not clear that there is a 'Messi problem' yet. The difference with Ronaldo is that Portugal have tried the last 2 tournaments with his old bones and it hasn't worked. That's not the case with Argentina. And good performances in qualifying can't really give us the answer either. I think they probably still need him. I've seen quite a few Argentina games without him where they've looked bad, so it's not as if they are automatically better without him.

The irony is that if Argentina don't win their fourth tournament in a row, there will be those who blame Messi, and assume that the team would have won it without him. Rather than just being logical, and realising that winning back to back World Cups is almost impossible.
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Also I think Messi would handle being benched much better than Ronaldo as well.

That’s the problem we have, Santos knows it well.
 
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