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Might be worth taking a look at then, could be what we need seeing how diabolical we are in controlling the tempo.

He is in COMO, unless Cesc pulls a Leicester, he might end in nothing. That is why it's important that Scaloni keeps calling him and Carboni, so that they do not end in nothing due to develope their youngster years in huge buying clubs
 
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He is in COMO, unless Cesc pulls a Leicester, he might end in nothing. That is why it's important that Scaloni keeps calling him and Carboni, so that they do not end in nothing due to develope their youngster years in huge buying clubs
Speaking of, Scaloni has done an incredible job since taking over, hasn’t he? Often goes unnoticed/unnamed when top managers are discussed (but I guess so too do many international managers who have achieved success as well). It’s been quite a run. 2 Copas sandwiching a World Cup win as well. And it’s not exactly a “golden age” of talent for Argentina - not anywhere close to what they’ve had the last 20 years or so. I wonder if a club will take a gamble on him when he’s ready to leave the NT stage.
 
Speaking of, Scaloni has done an incredible job since taking over, hasn’t he? Often goes unnoticed/unnamed when top managers are discussed (but I guess so too do many international managers who have achieved success as well). It’s been quite a run. 2 Copas sandwiching a World Cup win as well. And it’s not exactly a “golden age” of talent for Argentina - not anywhere close to what they’ve had the last 20 years or so. I wonder if a club will take a gamble on him when he’s ready to leave the NT stage.

Yes, he has done a great job, not alone, I think that the Coac hing Staff is great, having Samuel, Ayala and Aimar bside him adds a very important plus.

And regarding talent, it might have been regarding forwards and offensive players, but at the same time he made a bet with Romero, Martinez (keeper) and players like Macca that we needed so much in previous Gens.
The three of them extremely underrated at this point in my view and vital in terms of individual players lacking in previous Gens. BTW he called them, he gave them their opportunities.

Then there is a more global, tactical and strategical approach that it's not fully understand by most fans, specially those from big Euro Leagues like the EPL that mostly think in terms of names playing somewhere to give credite to any squad.
 
Yes, he has done a great job, not alone, I think that the Coac hing Staff is great, having Samuel, Ayala and Aimar bside him adds a very important plus.

And regarding talent, it might have been regarding forwards and offensive players, but at the same time he made a bet with Romero, Martinez (keeper) and players like Macca that we needed so much in previous Gens.
The three of them extremely underrated at this point in my view and vital in terms of individual players lacking in previous Gens. BTW he called them, he gave them their opportunities.

Then there is a more global, tactical and strategical approach that it's not fully understand by most fans, specially those from big Euro Leagues like the EPL that mostly think in terms of names playing somewhere to give credite to any squad.
Yeah, agreed that a lot of your previous squads were overblown in terms of “strength” - they were fairly unbalanced and usually “top heavy”, lacking in defence and midfield particularly. You have a much more balanced squad but also very team orientated - although obviously Messi’s talents still shine through, as it’s done all his career. I wasn’t even aware that he had Ayala and Aimar as part of his coaching squad. How would you describe his tactics/approach to the game? And has he ever mentioned any ambitions after the NT?
 
Yeah, agreed that a lot of your previous squads were overblown in terms of “strength” - they were fairly unbalanced and usually “top heavy”, lacking in defence and midfield particularly. You have a much more balanced squad but also very team orientated - although obviously Messi’s talents still shine through, as it’s done all his career. I wasn’t even aware that he had Ayala and Aimar as part of his coaching squad. How would you describe his tactics/approach to the game? And has he ever mentioned any ambitions after the NT?

Nope he didn't talked about his future.

I think he is flexible, lots of work analyzing the rival, yet not an obssesive fella like Bielsa, Simeone, Bilardo, Van Gaal and such...he has a strong personality (like when he was a player), but he is a Players Coach, he is a mix between Basile, Ancelotti, Menotti old style players coaches, with lots of current work on rivals, tactics etc add to the mix and specialists in diff areas surrounding him (Ayala, Samuel and Aimar).
PD: I really want Aimar to manage the kids, the youngsters, but I guess it's too important for the Senior team to let him go.

I think he wasn't nailing it at the beggining, but he certainly did change during his tenure.

The one thing I do not like that much, it's that like almost any Argie Coach, sometimes he plays too much his pragmatic card at certain moments in matches and Argentina historically just can't do it. He tried to close shop many times in an unnecesary way and we ended suffering (specially in the WC), I preffer like this last match to not make excessive defensive changes and continue to seek goals, that keeps the team focus.

He also already prooved that he is great preparing finals, no matter the importance of them, relaxation it's not a word in his dictionary. He mostly does what the moments demands and has a quick reaction during games if sthg goes south.
You can see him absolutely focus during them (and every match) when the camera catches him, no matter what happens in the field and it's hard to have such a great composure while being as passionate and hot blooded as he actually is, quite an intelligent fella.

Also I like a lot his offensive apporach, specially in terms of having many good feet in the squad, without the typical only destroyer.
At some point of their carreers all of Paredes, De Paul, Macca, Palacios and obviously Dybala or Lo Celso had been organizative 5's or 10's, mostly offensive oriented players, yet they have to run like crazy and defend if they all want to play together, it doesn't matter if none of them is Riquelme, Redondo, Maradona, Kempes, Sivori, Di Stefano or any of those off the charts players, the sum of the parts and the ideology behind treating the ball well, it's vital and he respects that, more when this allows to give freedom to an older fella call Messi to get him involved with advantage and more rested.

I like that he asks solidarity from all of them to mark, pressure, but also THEY MUST offer themselves to play. I like a lot his polivalent mids, like Macca, or what Palacios can be, we can't complain about De Paul no matter his Club Carreer, specially in KO matches and finals, the guy was superb. Yet I also think that he has to invest in some new youngsters with dribbling, we've already lost Di Maria and Messi ain't vintage Messi. We need surprise, more dynamism to combine with all the passing and to the very least agility and quick feet if we don't find some Stocky powerful dribbler like Kun, Tevez and so many we always tend to had.

Sorry for the long post
 
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He is in COMO, unless Cesc pulls a Leicester, he might end in nothing. That is why it's important that Scaloni keeps calling him and Carboni, so that they do not end in nothing due to develope their youngster years in huge buying clubs
If he keeps playing the way he has he's back in Madrid next season
 
If he keeps playing the way he has he's back in Madrid next season

Yeah it's true, I went over the top, maybe it would be good for him to be consolidated in a rising COMO with Cesc behind, so that he developewith such guidance and exprience from Cesc or maybe earn a place in some big club. I don't trust that much Madrid to make him a space even if he does his work of trying to slam the door, to many players in the mid and more than probably more to come.
 
Nope he didn't talked about his future.

I think he is flexible, lots of work analyzing the rival, yet not an obssesive fella like Bielsa, Simeone, Bilardo, Van Gaal and such...he has a strong personality (like when he was a player), but he is a Players Coach, he is a mix between Basile, Ancelotti, Menotti old style players coaches, with lots of current work on rivals, tactics etc add to the mix and specialists in diff areas surrounding him (Ayala, Samuel and Aimar).
PD: I really want Aimar to manage the kids, the youngsters, but I guess it's too important for the Senior team to let him go.

I think he wasn't nailing it at the beggining, but he certainly did change during his tenure.

The one thing I do not like that much, it's that like almost any Argie Coach, sometimes he plays too much his pragmatic card at certain moments in matches and Argentina historically just can't do it. He tried to close shop many times in an unnecesary way and we ended suffering (specially in the WC), I preffer like this last match to not make excessive defensive changes and continue to seek goals, that keeps the team focus.

He also already prooved that he is great preparing finals, no matter the importance of them, relaxation it's not a word in his dictionary. He mostly does what the moments demands and has a quick reaction during games if sthg goes south.
You can see it absolutely focus during them (and every match) when the camera catches him, no matter what happens in the field and it's hard to have such a great composure from him while being as passionate and hot blooded as he actually is, quite an intelligent fella.

Also I like a lot his offensive apporach, specially in terms of having many good feet in the squad, without the typical only destroyer.
At some point of their carreers all of Paredes, De Paul, Macca, Palacios and obviously Dybala or Lo Celso had been organizative 5's or 10's, mostly offensive oriented players, yet they have to run like crazy and defend if they all want to play together, it doesn't matter if none of them is Riquelme, Redondo, Maradona, Kempes, Sivori, Di Stefano or any of those off the charts players, the sum of the parts and the ideology behind treating the ball well, it's vital and he respects that, more when this allows to give freedom to an older fella call Messi to get him involved with advantage and more rested.

I like that he asks solidarity from all of them to mark, pressure, but also THEY MUST offer themselves to play. I like a lot his polivalent mids, like Macca, or what Palacios can be, we can't complain about De Paul no matter his Club Carreer, specially in KO matches and finals, the guy was superb. Yet I slo think he has to invest in some new youngsters with dribbling, we've already lost Di Maria and Messi ain't vintage Messi. We need surprise, more dinamism to combine with all the passing and to the very least agility and quick feet if we don't find some Stocky powerful dribbler like Kun, Tevez and so many we always tend to had.

Sorry the long post
No need to be sorry - thanks, I enjoyed reading that. Yes, you’ve always produced these world class center forwards, so it will be interesting to see who pops up next - I’m not convinced Alvarez will be that level/elite - and he’s also a lot more versatile but I could be wrong of course.
 
Yeah it's true, I went over the top, maybe it would be good for him to be consolidated in a rising COMO with Cesc behind, so that he developewith such guidance and exprience from Cesc or maybe earn a place in some big club. I don't trust that much Madrid to make him a space even if he does his work of trying to slam the door, to many players in the mid and more than probably more to come.
He is very highly thought of in Madrid, including by the players, don't think playing time would be an issue. Especially given his player profile and those of the other midfielders on the team
 
No need to be sorry - thanks, I enjoyed reading that. Yes, you’ve always produced these world class center forwards, so it will be interesting to see who pops up next - I’m not convinced Alvarez will be that level/elite - and he’s also a lot more versatile but I could be wrong of course.

Alvarez at one point looked like becoming our Muller and to a lesser extent our Villa or Raul.
Intelligent players above anything, some of them with exquisite technique, from the ones that become CRACKS more than being born with some special traits and physical or athletic off the charts conditions.
Yet he has stagnated regarding his overal game and confidence since his last season in City and dunno if Aleti was precisly the best place to go when he actually has to work in his ball game, more than his effort or tactical and defensive tasks.

Instead of having more composure with time, he is loosing it and lacking that edge with goals and taking his chances, we'll see what happens, at least in these last matches in Aleti and with the NT, he has been better. This last match, the pass to Messi was really great, for sure the lad is as genuine and laid back as they come, he'll allways give sthg even if he doesn't become our Muller.
 
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Julian Alvarez is a brilliant player, would take him at United in a heartbeat
 
He is very highly thought of in Madrid, including by the players, don't think playing time would be an issue. Especially given his player profile and those of the other midfielders on the team

I hope, I like his style a lot...when Kross left, I thought of him as his natural replacement, but with so many young jewells already there and Modric still around, I felt he was going to be loan.
I'm glad that at least that he fell under Cesc command, I would have preffererd thought to fall under Xabi, better team, needs some renovation and he also has some Alonso in his game that might get him get along with the ginger.

I really like the kid, I feel he can become Redondo N°2 more than Redondo's actual son, even if he is more offensive oriented, but in any case even if that is too much of a praise (sthg I do not tend to do), he clearly looks like the sort of talent and has the style that for me deserves to have a great first division carreer and not dissapear into obscurity.
 
Alvarez at one point looked like becoming our Muller and to a lesser extent our Villa or Raul.
Intelligent players above anything, some of them with exquisite technique, from the ones that become CRACKS more than being born with some special traits and physical or athletic off the charts conditions.
Yet he has stagnated regarding his overal game and confidence since his last season in City and dunno if Aleti was precisly the best place to go when he actually has to work in his ball game, more than his effort or tactical and defensive tasks.

Instead of having more composure with time, he is loosing it and lacking that edge with goals and taking his chances, we'll see what happens, at least in these last matches in Aleti and with the NT, he has been better. This last match, the pass to Messi was really great, for sure the lad is as genuine and laid back as they come, he'll allways give sthg even if he doesn't become our Muller.
Yeah will be interesting to see how Alvarez develops from here on in - tbf to Atleti, they’ve been a good place for some top forwards of recent years: Torres, Aguero, Costa etc. to name a few. He has the talent for sure, but yeah, he’s stagnated somewhat during his final season at City (imo anyway).

But football is unpredictable. I’m sure in a couple of years there’d be another few players lighting it up by then :lol:
 
I hope, I like his style a lot...when Kross left, I thought of him as his natural replacement, but with so many young jewells already there and Modric still around, I felt he was going to be loan.
I'm glad that at least that he fell under Cesc command, I would have preffererd thought to fall under Xabi, better team, needs some renovation and he also has some Alonso in his game that might get him get along with the ginger.

I really like the kid, I feel he can become Redondo N°2 more than Redondo's actual son, even if he is more offensive oriented, but in any case even if that is too much of a praise (sthg I do not tend to do), he clearly looks like the sort of talent and has the style that for me deserves to have a great first division carreer and not dissapear into obscurity.
Is Redondo’s son any good?
 
Is Redondo’s son any good?

Physically he looks a bit like his father, but more skinny.
I wasn't entirely impressed by him like the first time I watched his father and I think that he lacks more than anything positioning and decision making, he certainly has very good skills for a DM or CM. His decision to go to Inter Miami it's quite odd to say the least, but maybe it pays dividends to be beside Messi all the time. So far for me is a question mark, he is young, but not that young either when we think in terms of his father and how he entered the scene.
 
Physically he looks a bit like his father, but more skinny.
I wasn't entirely impressed by him like the first time I watched his father and I think that he lacks more than anything positioning and decision making, he certainly has very good skills for a DM or CM. His decision to go to Inter Miami it's quite odd to say the least, but maybe it pays dividends to be beside Messi all the time. So far for me is a question mark, he is young, but not that young either when we think in terms of his father and how he entered the scene.
I remember way back in 1987 or so I caught a game featuring Argentinos Juniors on telly. Had a bit of a laugh at this round-faced kid actually being called Redondo. Then he started playing :eek:
 
I remember way back in 1987 or so I caught a game featuring Argentinos Juniors on telly. Had a bit of a laugh at this round-faced kid actually being called Redondo. Then he started playing :eek:

:lol:...BTW, he might be the only fella in the history of mankind that kind of pull out a French Lady haircut more or less fine.
 
Great little vid that synthesize the chemistry of the team and how it looks since time that the team it's trully behind Lio

 
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I know people don't rate copa America compared to the euros too much but I think one could make case of them being up there with the likes of Spain 2008 to 2012 were to go on and win two consecutive copa America's.

2 continental titles, a world cup and a intercontinental super cup is a very impressive run indeed.
It doesn't matter what non-inforned, Eurocentric people think of the Copa. I'm pretty sure that no team before this one has ever won the CA, the World Cup and then the CA again. They've been on one of the greatest runs of all time in international football.
 
Scaloni has to start finding new guns, the team lacks dribbling, some players like Senesi deserve a chance since long, the mids are most of them (if not everyone) in a rough period. The team will go from stagnation to free fallin if they do not react, nothing it's for ever and the signs are all there since some time now.
 
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Julian Alvarez is recovering his best form, I hope he continues this trend because more than goals, he needed to recover his game: his finesse...goals will come along with that.
 
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I love this kid, I really want him to have a great career and Scaloni to call him