What ambition? After 1 win against Spurs the fans are back to giving Ole more time.
Are we ambitious enough?
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We already know the board is clueless but what can we do as fans? We applauded Ole and keep singing his name, despite losing 5-0 at home to our biggest rival, which means the board feels no pressure, they think the fans are happy with Ole so they keep going. Spurs made their noise heard at the game, that they don't accept it, and the board took a decision. Remember that we can influence and have some power too (see Super League). From now on, when you sing Ole's name, you accept this. It's that easy.
Not just the club but the players are also not ambitious enough. Except for Ronaldo, I don't see a guy who really wants to smash records and win everything out there.
Is this yet another thread for why the manager hasn’t been sacked? I would argue a transfer window of Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo shows we are ambitious.
Spurs fans was embarrassed with 3-0 defeat to us at home. The fans boo and showed thier dissatisfaction. Many fans left early before the final whistle.
The next day the board sacked the manager.
Here, 5-0 defeat at home to Pool, no problem. Negative football for 3 years, no problem. Over 400 mil spent, no problem. Ole need time to implement his style of play.
The next day the board sacked the manager.
Here, 5-0 defeat at home to Pool, no problem. Negative football for 3 years, no problem. Over 400 mil spent, no problem. Ole need time to implement his style of play.
I think some people need to take a breath and support the team.
Solskjaer has done his job up to now. The squad now compared to the one he inherited is improved everywhere bar CM. Even then, you can argue Fred (although still limited) was a complete castoff then and is now playing regularly. He's had respectable league finishes, has progressed far into most of the Cup competitions that he's competed in, improved the squad and generally seems to have his players fighting for him. Yet he's had a run of bad form and the board have considered sacking him, and by reliable accounts still are pending the next couple of results. It's hardly like it's complete neglect.
I completely accept that we'll need a new manager to go that next step. The board will know that too. Hysteria aside, most of us know with a gun to our heads that there will be a new manager in come 2022/23. Should that be now? Maybe. But every day that Ole is here, I'm going to support him. And the worst thing the club could do is make a snap appointment. I'd rather they take 6 months and get it right.
Solskjaer has done his job up to now. The squad now compared to the one he inherited is improved everywhere bar CM. Even then, you can argue Fred (although still limited) was a complete castoff then and is now playing regularly. He's had respectable league finishes, has progressed far into most of the Cup competitions that he's competed in, improved the squad and generally seems to have his players fighting for him. Yet he's had a run of bad form and the board have considered sacking him, and by reliable accounts still are pending the next couple of results. It's hardly like it's complete neglect.
I completely accept that we'll need a new manager to go that next step. The board will know that too. Hysteria aside, most of us know with a gun to our heads that there will be a new manager in come 2022/23. Should that be now? Maybe. But every day that Ole is here, I'm going to support him. And the worst thing the club could do is make a snap appointment. I'd rather they take 6 months and get it right.
Figure this a fan who feels fan judgement has more experience than even SAF. The arrogance of some posts do people stop and think for one second, maybe just maybe; SAF is more experienced at Manchester United than "your judgement". I know Sky Sports, Tifo, TalkSports have given you so much club knowledge and tactical insight - I won't begrudge you or people who think like you for your exceptional experience.
But is there a world where SAF may know a bit more than you?
Just curious.
I can’t fecking fathom it, man. We lost five nil to our biggest fecking rivals and he was signing shirts after the game like nothing was wrong. It’s insane. I bet even he doesn’t know how he’s still here
Let's be honest, Bayern Munich wouldn't have appointed him in the first place.
No our fans aren't too nice, is toxic in here after any points dropped, even when we win fans simply pick at individual performances.
OP the club is ambitions, look at the amount of money in wages and transfer fees. Employing the wrong people in the major jobs is the problem that the owners haven't solved. The fans have to put up with it until it's resolved or buy out the club and run it a better way.
We aren't trying hard enough to win the most prestigious competitions like the Audi cup. OP is a visionary.
What is your point exactly? Many fans booed and left early at the Liverpool game. Would you want us to behave like the Spurs board who were a complete shitshow in the summer?
There is nothing to be curious here. I never said I know anything about football coaching. But I do know what standards we were having and what standards we have now. I know when a manager is clueless and incompetent. I know when a manager can't play anything other than counter attacking despite spending 500m . I know when a manager reaches to a level where he can't literally do anything else to improve us.
We've got a chicken and egg situation here. We need a top football CEO to get rid of the incompetence at the club however such football CEO won't be hired because we need accountants on top to maximize profit. Unfortunately we can only truly maximize profit if the club is run efficiently something neither the mob from Bristol University nor SAF and his brood of former players can do.
Incompetence is biggest problem, they simply don’t know what to do so do nothing and hope for the best. There is no plan beyond Ole long or short term, just stick with him until they can’t.
I mean the match going fans. And those protesting I feel gave it up with too much ease.
No we clearly are not. The only thing you can point to is the money spent. If there was clear ambition, we'd look to get the most for our money, insofar that we'd hire competent people to oversee the footballing side of things. There has been a slight improvement on that front with regards to the modest wage Bruno is on (though understandably he'll get an improved deal given he's massively surpassed all expectations), the money we managed to get back for James (and then some) but we're still extending deals for players who aren't important and there's talk of giving bumper new deals to players who haven't earned it. That's mismanagement of funds. The same can be said for extending the contracts of all the coaching staff, under no pressure. And of course the astronomical sums we've spent on certain players.
With regards to Ole himself, he was OK when he was leading a team of underdogs, and as soon as it became a bit serious (like when we were top of the league midseason last season) he talked down expectations and said we were chasers, not challengers. Now, I confess that we're not the best team in the league, but talking down your chances like that, let alone from someone who styles himself as a leader-type-manager, I thought was super disappointing.
The goalposts have constantly changed, and with Ole himself too. He began the season quite bullish saying that we wanted to do one better than last season - speaking purely in terms of places in the table - and then we've seen it completely unravel. I'm beginning to view last season as a complete anomaly wherein our rivals had a mare and we did not perform any miracles either, but for a "normal" season, we'd not have finished 2nd.
And of course, the semi finals and the final, where we simply have not shown up.
I'm more than happy to wait for the right manager next summer than see the board continue it's scattergun approach, and though I thought our performance against Spurs was the best performance of the season, I still think that formation is more a formation to suit the manager than the players, including players he's bought, and after 500m spent it is a pretty damning indictment that he cannot get a functioning team playing close to its ability.
It cannot be underestimated how bad a signal it is also to stockpile average players on very good salaries, and good players on megastar salaries.
An authentic footballing leadership within the club would address this, which would both support sporting ambitions, as well as commercial ambitions.
I don't think there is a great deal of intelligent people making important decisions at United and that's been clear to see for many years now. And there is absolutely no substitute for intelligence.
Once upon a time, we were great team for biggest achievements.
I would have thought that sacking LVG the day after winning silverware for serial winner Mourinho would be better kept in mind, and perhaps have held off this particular line of criticism for a few more years.
Is this the current line of attack agin because we can’t moan about the transfer spend under the Glazers with a straight face right now?
Is this the current line of attack agin because we can’t moan about the transfer spend under the Glazers with a straight face right now?
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I have no idea why our board are determined to shove Ole Gunnar Solskjaer into that Sir Alex Ferguson shaped hole, that can never be filled. Thats the problem in my opinion. They don’t know their ass from their elbow in terms of managers, and they’re probably relying on Woodward and SAF to do that. Im saying Moyes and Solskjaer are SAFs doing and LVG and Jose are Woodwards doing. They’re probably taking turns to do it until one of them fecks up.
I have no idea why they gave Solskjaer a three year extension though. That’s staggering to me. You can lowball him into a smaller contract since he’s already delighted to be here… hardly like he’s got major managerial ambitions in my opinion or the European elite are going to poach him and therefore we have to throw money at him to stay. Why not just give him a one year rolling deal at Utd like the GOAT football manager had for the last 10 years he was there?
I have no idea why they gave Solskjaer a three year extension though. That’s staggering to me. You can lowball him into a smaller contract since he’s already delighted to be here… hardly like he’s got major managerial ambitions in my opinion or the European elite are going to poach him and therefore we have to throw money at him to stay. Why not just give him a one year rolling deal at Utd like the GOAT football manager had for the last 10 years he was there?
Probably the most unnecessary thread ever.
Tottenham slaughter their team losing 3-0 to us btw that isn’t even a 10th as bad as us losing 5-0 to Pool at home.
Only a few points behind us and only hired Nuno 6 months ago. Different standard and Spurs have a brand new stadium too. Really showing ambition.
Only a few points behind us and only hired Nuno 6 months ago. Different standard and Spurs have a brand new stadium too. Really showing ambition.
I think the fans have higher expectations than our board. CL qualification seems to be the only thing that matters for them.
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Top 4 is the ambition of this club every season. That's it. Our levels have fallen massively in the last 8 years.
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We wouldn't spend anything if we weren't remotely ambitious, silly claiming otherwise, inept but ambitious.
Believe it or not it would cost the owners a LOT less to sign somebody like Conte and not spend like we did last summer. As I said, it's not for lack of ambition, it's inept ownership that's caused this 8 year period.
Believe it or not it would cost the owners a LOT less to sign somebody like Conte and not spend like we did last summer. As I said, it's not for lack of ambition, it's inept ownership that's caused this 8 year period.
You have to spend something or you'll get nothing. Spend just enough to keep us relevant, Champions League football, occasional big name, that's all they need. The owners need the club to be just successful enough for sponsors but they don't want to invest in how much it would take to make us the very best, and they want managers that will also tolerate that
Who sang and clapped?
This.
The whole thing reeks of incompetence at a time where the competition is stronger than ever. An elite club would look for an elite calibre, but look around, a former player who failed with Cardiff managing the team, another former player with zero experience outside playing football is a technical director, and a football director who nobody knew anything about an has achieved nothing related to his role during his career, and they're looking to replace woodward with a replica woodward. They're basically looking for yes men.
Honestly this is no longer about Ole. We first need to find someone to run the club, otherwise nothing will change.
I didn't say that. I might have thought it but I certainly didn't post it
Interesting opening points, but I bet if I state my opinion, people will shut me down.
Here goes!
Manchester Utd. need to stop living in the past. Should there be statues of living people or named stands? Sometimes those things backfire because of the way things have gone since & decisions taken. Yes, I know they had just won the league, but it was a weird season. A statement of intent would be when SAF reaches 80 (31/12/21), Utd. him off the payroll (no more club Ambassador at £ 1 million a year) he can be a fan of course, but whilst he is being paid he thinks he can make decisions, and his decisions are causing problems (Ronaldo for example).
It won't happen of course, I bet he negotiated the Ambassador role for life with a water-tight contract - but in retrospect, was he really deserving of that? During the golden years Man Utd. often had just one or 2 rivals. Blackburn/Newcastle then Arsenal, then Chelsea.... City right at the end. Compare that with the situation now. SAF also had the biggest transfer budget. He underperformed in Europe. Does he really deserve the status he holds & the power he still has? I don't think so and I bet some younger fans who have only been going to Old Trafford in the last 7-8 years might be beginning to consider this view, even if they do so secretly.
The fanbase is littered with people scarred at being called ‘glory hunters’ so they wear this show of blind faith as some form of martyrdom. I’ve been around people who’ve said, ‘look at the club now & I’m still supporting’, as if this period makes up for the years of dominance.
An ambitious club doesn’t let their manager continue after what culminated in that Liverpool game. We’re literally wasting a season, the whole 352 to protect his favourite players & preserve his job will come unstuck soon enough.
An ambitious club doesn’t let their manager continue after what culminated in that Liverpool game. We’re literally wasting a season, the whole 352 to protect his favourite players & preserve his job will come unstuck soon enough.
Its actually worse than that because a front two of Ronaldo and Cavani is basically fantasy football, but only for a year or so - I really think Utd. should have acted after the Liverpool game, sentimentality getting in the way, again - possibly an ex-manager involved too?
Sorry, I don't know their names. Ole's at the wheel was sung again at Spurs.
No ambitions and very frustrating,
Spurs have more ambitions that us, they were a point ahead of us when we played them, and sacked their coach who just started with them this season after we beat them 3-0, while we kept Ole in charge after getting smacked by our biggest rivals at home 5-0 (who took it easy on us), we also had to comeback from 2-0 against Atalanta and win it last few minutes of the match, we also had to win it against West Ham last minute of the match (and these comebacks have been going on since last season). We had to deal with a lot of inconsistencies since Ole took over.
it’s been over three years now since Ole took over, what are they waiting for? He should have been sacked long time ago, we’re not even vibes fc anymore, it’s getting more and more toxic by the minute, even if the players are not fully revolting, we as supporters count for something.
If we continue like this, we are finished as a top club, we literally have a manager that’s nowhere near good enough to manage us and compete with the best in the world, while one of the better managers are available (admittedly I’ve only watched his Chelsea team, but after researching more about him lately, I can see why he’s one of the better managers) in Conte, yet we stick with Ole because he scored a last minute winner two decades ago.
Spurs have more ambitions that us, they were a point ahead of us when we played them, and sacked their coach who just started with them this season after we beat them 3-0, while we kept Ole in charge after getting smacked by our biggest rivals at home 5-0 (who took it easy on us), we also had to comeback from 2-0 against Atalanta and win it last few minutes of the match, we also had to win it against West Ham last minute of the match (and these comebacks have been going on since last season). We had to deal with a lot of inconsistencies since Ole took over.
it’s been over three years now since Ole took over, what are they waiting for? He should have been sacked long time ago, we’re not even vibes fc anymore, it’s getting more and more toxic by the minute, even if the players are not fully revolting, we as supporters count for something.
If we continue like this, we are finished as a top club, we literally have a manager that’s nowhere near good enough to manage us and compete with the best in the world, while one of the better managers are available (admittedly I’ve only watched his Chelsea team, but after researching more about him lately, I can see why he’s one of the better managers) in Conte, yet we stick with Ole because he scored a last minute winner two decades ago.
Let's just say the board have almost bullied our fanbase into accepting top 4 as an achievement and that's sad
Shows we like to sign pure marketing machines in the case of Ronny & Jadon but less so with Varane