Are Utd Making You Depressed?

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
The fans are making me more depressed than the club or it’s players. We have a toxic fanbase.
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Don't confuse yourself with sarcastic comments once in a while. I think every fan is reasonable in expecting improvements and barely anyone asking for title challenge, have been supporting in spite of trolling all over the world and run by jokers.
 
murali_red said:
Don't confuse yourself with sarcastic comments once in a while. I think every fan is reasonable in expecting improvements and barely anyone asking for title challenge, have been supporting in spite of trolling all over the world and run by jokers.
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excuse me.

There is very little sarcasm on this forum. Look around.

the club isn't depressing me. We can and should be doing better, and that’s what most fans want. on the other hand, read what the toxic part of our fanbase are saying, that’s depressing, and I feel for their sanity and mental health. It’s not healthy.
 
murali_red said:
Don't confuse yourself with sarcastic comments once in a while. I think every fan is reasonable in expecting improvements and barely anyone asking for title challenge, have been supporting in spite of trolling all over the world and run by jokers.
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If you want a good example of how toxic this forum is now, and how negative, go read the thread for the group stage of the CL.

There's little excitement about being back in the competition, despite everyone's obsession with top 4 being solely for that purpose. Its an embarrassment.

To me half of this forum aren't even United fans really. They 'loved' United because we were the best and that made them feel better about themselves. Now they are all just bitter.
 
Bilbo said:
If you want a good example of how toxic this forum is now, and how negative, go read the thread for the group stage of the CL.

There's little excitement about being back in the competition, despite everyone's obsession with top 4 being solely for that purpose. Its an embarrassment.

To me half of this forum aren't even United fans really. They 'loved' United because we were the best and that made them feel better about themselves. Now they are all just bitter.
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Most people are bitter because they've seen what's happened to the club after Sir Alex left and I don't see anything wrong with that. Personally speaking I've seen 7 great years at United since 2006 and the next 7 that's followed where absolute clowns seem to be running the club. Not all the trolling you see in the UCL thread might be sarcasm but I'd say that almost every United fan here believes that we can still get through and would want the best for the club.
Most of the negativity these days is because of this shitshow of a transfer window where every club around us seems to be strengthening while we cite issues like covid for not adding to the squad. Surely we make more than the likes of Everton and Villa even without matchday revenue? Not saying we should pay 120m for Sancho but we had enough time to look for alternatives at rw and maybe even strengthen in other positions. Vdb is a good signing but there are still other areas where we should have strengthened but we are likely to see the BS DOF rumours and no value in the transfer market statements coming up soon. Obviously not going to stop supporting the club but it's hard to not feel bitter that we are getting run into the ground these days.
 
This whole thing feels like a complicated relationship to me. You can neither keep loving nor get rid of your partner.
 
The way the club is run doesn't make me depressed but it does sap away some of the enthusiasm for watching us play. Which is a shame because with all our free time atm it would be great to get more from watching United games.
 
Yes they are, they are making me dislike football in general. That takes some doing to be fair.
 
Bilbo said:
If you want a good example of how toxic this forum is now, and how negative, go read the thread for the group stage of the CL.

There's little excitement about being back in the competition, despite everyone's obsession with top 4 being solely for that purpose. Its an embarrassment.

To me half of this forum aren't even United fans really. They 'loved' United because we were the best and that made them feel better about themselves. Now they are all just bitter.
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spot on mate.
 
Bilbo said:
If you want a good example of how toxic this forum is now, and how negative, go read the thread for the group stage of the CL.

There's little excitement about being back in the competition, despite everyone's obsession with top 4 being solely for that purpose. Its an embarrassment.

To me half of this forum aren't even United fans really. They 'loved' United because we were the best and that made them feel better about themselves. Now they are all just bitter.
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not drepressed as such, ive just zoned out more between games and I'll stay like that until I feel they want to go all in to win again. Just feels like they are content for top4.

Obviously when the games come im all in.
 
People assume anyone who is critical of the team is depressed. Wrong! In fact, I think it is the people who criticise those fans that are the problem. Why do you take it as a personal insult? You are a fan, not Manutd.

I am not afraid of posting critical comments about the players, team, or manager and I am not going to pussyfoot around for people who want to look like the 'perfect fan'. That doesn't mean I'm depressed; 99% of the time I don't even think about football.

When I see something is rubbish, I will call it for what it is.

You have to remember that people spend a lot of money to watch football. They can say or do what they like.

Some people are very childish in the way they can't accept other people's opinions. I wonder why they even use a forum sometimes.
 
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During the time Ferguson was manager, I learnt to avoid reading news or the forum after important losses.

It is true I can sometimes still feel down after a match but if I was depressed, it would be more by Brexit and America 2016-2020.

I have been joking with someone we could switch teams, but really, it is United or none for me (I still sometimes watch country, but less often).
 
royalewithcheese2006 said:
Obviously not going to stop supporting the club but it's hard to not feel bitter that we are getting run into the ground these days.
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See this is another example of how everything has to be so extreme these days. How exactly are the club being run into the ground? Just because we can't get our biggest ever signing over the line in a timely fashion?

For me, running the club into the ground would be recklessly overspending in an uncertain economic time, which we may find out down the road that these higher net spend clubs are doing. Trying to get the best deal possible for a player is sensible. Not spending 20m on a left back who is available for free in 12 weeks is sensible. Not panic buying an injury prone Dembele is sensible. I realise that this doesn't give the fans their fix, but hey, maybe we shouldn't get so bored with the team we have so quickly. I realise I'm being extreme here, but this has become an extreme forum full of extreme opinions so why not.

Two things I know for certain. (1) the football is everything. The whole point to it. If anyone can't enjoy or get excited by the team actually playing football then you've lost your way, and (2) transfer tweets are there to be read, enjoyed, but taken for what they really are, which is largely for the benefit of agents. Anyone who actually develops negative opinions about their club from these needs their heads wobbled. They are the new gutter press.
 
Bilbo said:
To me half of this forum aren't even United fans really. They 'loved' United because we were the best and that made them feel better about themselves. Now they are all just bitter.
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Nail on the head.
 
Bilbo said:
See this is another example of how everything has to be so extreme these days. How exactly are the club being run into the ground? Just because we can't get our biggest ever signing over the line in a timely fashion?

For me, running the club into the ground would be recklessly overspending in an uncertain economic time, which we may find out down the road that these higher net spend clubs are doing. Trying to get the best deal possible for a player is sensible. Not spending 20m on a left back who is available for free in 12 weeks is sensible. Not panic buying an injury prone Dembele is sensible. I realise that this doesn't give the fans their fix, but hey, maybe we shouldn't get so bored with the team we have so quickly. I realise I'm being extreme here, but this has become an extreme forum full of extreme opinions so why not.

Two things I know for certain. (1) the football is everything. The whole point to it. If anyone can't enjoy or get excited by the team actually playing football then you've lost your way, and (2) transfer tweets are there to be read, enjoyed, but taken for what they really are, which is largely for the benefit of agents. Anyone who actually develops negative opinions about their club from these needs their heads wobbled. They are the new gutter press.
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All I'm saying is there's a huge drop off in quality beyond the first 11-13 players which is clearly evident. This is something that should have been addressed as first priority this window. When I say we're being run into the ground, I mean we aren't learning from our mistakes and just don't seem to build from a position of strength. This has cost us with in the past and then we've gone and sacked a manager (Jose equally at fault though)
Even if we don't sign anyone, it's not going to stop me from getting excited about our games. I'd rather us just avoid being in a situation where we have an injury or two or some players burning out in a few months and then hoping the likes of Ighalo, James or Mata come good. I'm not expecting us to go and win the title but it would be nice to add some quality to the squad so that we can close the gap on the sides above us last time. I still hope we can improve on last season but it would have been easier if the manager was backed and we had planned the transfer window better.
 
royalewithcheese2006 said:
All I'm saying is there's a huge drop off in quality beyond the first 11-13 players which is clearly evident. This is something that should have been addressed as first priority this window. When I say we're being run into the ground, I mean we aren't learning from our mistakes and just don't seem to build from a position of strength. This has cost us with in the past and then we've gone and sacked a manager (Jose equally at fault though)
Even if we don't sign anyone, it's not going to stop me from getting excited about our games. I'd rather us just avoid being in a situation where we have an injury or two or some players burning out in a few months and then hoping the likes of Ighalo, James or Mata come good. I'm not expecting us to go and win the title but it would be nice to add some quality to the squad so that we can close the gap on the sides above us last time. I still hope we can improve on last season but it would have been easier if the manager was backed and we had planned the transfer window better.
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This is why those of us who have backed Ole and 'the plan' from the start always expected that this was a 2 to 3 year process. People underestimate what he inherited and how difficult it would be to make progress. The wage bill. The balance of the squad. The 'deadwood'. Most important of all, the culture. We have made massive steps forwards in all of those areas, but we arent there yet.

In terms of this 2 to 3 year process, I personally thought we finished last season a year ahead of schedule. A strong first team, better culture, reduced wage bill, back in the CL. An outstanding effort. This summer has been far from a complete bust. We've cleared out some more players, and signed a cracking midfielder for a great price, BUT, the lack of so far being able to land our targets has been a setback. That might change in the coming days.

The point being, where people see a shambles, a joke of a club, a club being run into the ground, run by clowns, or cnuts, or PE teachers, or all of the other bile that is posted here by the hour, I still see a club that is moving forwards. No more stupid mistakes in the transfer market. No more mercenaries. The correct due diligence on all of our targets. Holes rather than arseholes, as Ole wonderfully stated. All it takes is patience, and layering the progress brick by brick. Its the only way to get there
 
They frustrate me. We as fans give a lot to the club. For one we dedicate a lot of our time to watching them.

So to see us progress last season for the first time in years and then throw it all away coming into this season it is extremely disappointing.

A football team should always be trying to improve.
 
Bilbo said:
This is why those of us who have backed Ole and 'the plan' from the start always expected that this was a 2 to 3 year process. People underestimate what he inherited and how difficult it would be to make progress. The wage bill. The balance of the squad. The 'deadwood'. Most important of all, the culture. We have made massive steps forwards in all of those areas, but we arent there yet.

In terms of this 2 to 3 year process, I personally thought we finished last season a year ahead of schedule. A strong first team, better culture, reduced wage bill, back in the CL. An outstanding effort. This summer has been far from a complete bust. We've cleared out some more players, and signed a cracking midfielder for a great price, BUT, the lack of so far being able to land our targets has been a setback. That might change in the coming days.

The point being, where people see a shambles, a joke of a club, a club being run into the ground, run by clowns, or cnuts, or PE teachers, or all of the other bile that is posted here by the hour, I still see a club that is moving forwards. No more stupid mistakes in the transfer market. No more mercenaries. The correct due diligence on all of our targets. Holes rather than arseholes, as Ole wonderfully stated. All it takes is patience, and layering the progress brick by brick. Its the only way to get there
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I agree mate. The second half of last season went better than anyone would have expected. I just don't want all this good work to be undone because we didnt build on it while the teams around us look stronger. I still have belief that we'll do well and hope some of the squad players step up and the likes of martial, rashford, bruno build on last season.
The pessimistic side of me just fears that we didn't strengthen and Ole will be the scapegoat if things don't go well. I hope it doesn't come to that obviously. Hence the anger on the lack of signings even when we saw that our performances dropped a as the players burnt out at the end of last season.
 
Bilbo said:
If you want a good example of how toxic this forum is now, and how negative, go read the thread for the group stage of the CL.

There's little excitement about being back in the competition, despite everyone's obsession with top 4 being solely for that purpose. Its an embarrassment.

To me half of this forum aren't even United fans really. They 'loved' United because we were the best and that made them feel better about themselves. Now they are all just bitter.
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I know I started this thread, but I agree with this post. Couldn't believe some posts in there - I can't wait for CL to start and see us up against some of the top clubs in Europe.

But there are valid reasons for fans to be angry/frustrated/upset right now which doesn't in the same breath make them bitter and entitled.

We are owned and run by people who are dragging this club through the mud and leeching off the success of the greatest manager of all time, when that should have been a basis to grow. We're a club whose decline has been accepted by the people who run it. That's depressing.
 
royalewithcheese2006 said:
I agree mate. The second half of last season went better than anyone would have expected. I just don't want all this good work to be undone because we didnt build on it while the teams around us look stronger. I still have belief that we'll do well and hope some of the squad players step up and the likes of martial, rashford, bruno build on last season.
The pessimistic side of me just fears that we didn't strengthen and Ole will be the scapegoat if things don't go well. I hope it doesn't come to that obviously and hence the anger on the lack of signings even when we saw that our performances dropped a bit as the players burnt out at the end of last season.
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I think we have strengthened, just not as much (yet) as many would have liked, myself included. Our biggest vulnerability was an injury to Bruno, but i think Donny will prove to be a more than adequate replacement when the time comes. It was a super smart signing. Henderson coming back gives us an intriguing battle for that position. Sanchez is off the books.

There are positives there for anybody that wants to see them. I can completely understand the frustration that people might feel for this window so far. What i will never understand is the overwhelmingly negative tone of this forum because I don't feel its warranted, or healthy. I genuinely cant wait for tomorrow's game. Cant wait to see our CL run. Win or lose, whatever happens. Thats what following a sports team is. If anyone feels differently, or gives this ridiculous sport so much importance that you feel depressed by it, then you need to reevaluate.
 
Finishing third and thereby securing Champions League last season left me feeling optimistic because it could help land some solid transfers and help Solskjær with his rebuild. Crucial window this was. Solskjærs fourth window. We're supposed to be way more drilled and complete than we currently are - and we're in dire need of players to help execute that.

Our current situation have left me depressed. I'm depressed at how poorly our club is ran. And it doesn't quite help seeing how well other clubs are faring. So many teams have figured it out while we stagnate and turn into the definition of mediocre. We won't taste success as long as Woodward is in charge of our sporting development.

Wouldn't the Glazers be able to pull out way more money if we we're a well run club. Winning applauds and trophies? It can't be good for business having spent 7 seasons being somewhat mediocre?
 
I just want the window to shut now - its so frustrating to watch how inept we are at targetting and recruiting players. Clearly the board are not interested in competing at the top level. I cant see us winning the Prem or CL under the glazers. Fernandes will be gone next summer at this rate - he isnt going to stay in a team with no ambition. Greenwood - another 1 or 2 good seasons and Barca or RM may come calling. He'll be gone as well. Its sad to see the mess we re in as a club - 7 years after SAF left and we are going nowhere. Embarassing really but as the fan i am i keep coming back for another kick in the nuts. I suppose thats what the Glazers are banking on.
 
groovyalbert said:
I know I started this thread, but I agree with this post. Couldn't believe some posts in there - I can't wait for CL to start and see us up against some of the top clubs in Europe.

But there are valid reasons for fans to be angry/frustrated/upset right now which doesn't in the same breath make them bitter and entitled.

We are owned and run by people who are dragging this club through the mud and leeching off the success of the greatest manager of all time, when that should have been a basis to grow. We're a club whose decline has been accepted by the people who run it. That's depressing.
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We've been overtaken by clubs that have made better investments in the last few years. Look at our competition. City and Chelsea have benefitted from massive outside investment, and Liverpool have just done nearly everything right for the last few seasons. They deserve their time in the sun, and we deserve to be playing catch up because we havent.

If you want to talk about decline look at Blackburn, or Leeds, or Nottingham Forest even. Finishing 3rd isn't decline, its a consequence of wasting a ton of money on the wrong managers and the wrong players.

Fact is, United dont have a divine right to be the best. Thats what made the Ferguson era so sweet. We are the easiest fans in England to wind up because we devour everything negative that we hear and read. We WANT to believe it. Its a hangover from a very successful era, but we can all choose what kind of supporter we want to be.
 
Bilbo said:
We've been overtaken by clubs that have made better investments in the last few years. Look at our competition. City and Chelsea have benefitted from massive outside investment, and Liverpool have just done nearly everything right for the last few seasons. They deserve their time in the sun, and we deserve to be playing catch up because we havent.

If you want to talk about decline look at Blackburn, or Leeds, or Nottingham Forest even. Finishing 3rd isn't decline, its a consequence of wasting a ton of money on the wrong managers and the wrong players.

Fact is, United dont have a divine right to be the best. Thats what made the Ferguson era so sweet. We are the easiest fans in England to wind up because we devour everything negative that we hear and read. We WANT to believe it. Its a hangover from a very successful era, but we can all choose what kind of supporter we want to be.
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In fairness, Blackburn, Leeds and Forest were never the same club as us in size. We're on par with the biggest clubs in the world, not teams who had great success over a short period of time a few decades ago. So it's all relative really.

Of course we don't have a divine right to be the best, only the most deluded fan would expect that. But what we absolutely can demand is not to have owners who run us purely for profit with no ambition to compete with our biggest rivals, and nor do we deserve to have the likes of Woodward and Judge anywhere near the transfer decisions of the club. I don't think any club harbouring any ambitions in the league would let them take charge of that side of things.
 
Bilbo said:
I think we have strengthened, just not as much (yet) as many would have liked, myself included. Our biggest vulnerability was an injury to Bruno, but i think Donny will prove to be a more than adequate replacement when the time comes. It was a super smart signing. Henderson coming back gives us an intriguing battle for that position. Sanchez is off the books.

There are positives there for anybody that wants to see them. I can completely understand the frustration that people might feel for this window so far. What i will never understand is the overwhelmingly negative tone of this forum because I don't feel its warranted, or healthy. I genuinely cant wait for tomorrow's game. Cant wait to see our CL run. Win or lose, whatever happens. Thats what following a sports team is. If anyone feels differently, or gives this ridiculous sport so much importance that you feel depressed by it, then you need to reevaluate.
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I mean how can you be positive knowing you are owned by scumbags who have not only let two of our biggest rivals overtake us but taken over a billion and counting out of the club for their own benefit as well as plunging us into ridiculous debt? The reason why fans are frustrated is because this window is a symbol that those at the top have zero intentions to get us back to winning trophies again investing to win is a financial hindrance to them and they`d rather only spend when we dont have top 4 to keep us profitable enough for their pockets but once we get CL football they`d happily throw a manager under the bus how the hell are we meant to close a 33 point gap on Liverpool with such a model? The reason they`re not signing anyone is not because they are competent or taking some moral high ground but because they are incoherent buffoons who care about their pockets only and will keep us in a vicious cycle where at best we will win the odd FA Cup/Carling Cup here and there maybe a 2nd/3rd place finish but never a PL/CL title as its a financial risk to them. They don`t care about Ole`s "project". Even more frustrating is when we inevitably miss out on top 4 Ole`s good work will be undone, he`ll be sacked, another rebuild under another manager where he`ll be backed without CL football but once he attains it he gets the Ole/Jose treatment and repeat. Some of us fans simply cannot digest such a reality with owners who would happily let us finish 10th if it meant more money and we`d rather temporarily call quits with football till The Glazers leave.
And dont bank on last season`s form to continue we finished 2nd under Jose and went to 6th the next season with how rivals and the likes of Everton looking strong higher chance of a Moyes season than Liverpool 17/18 season
 
Depressed? No. Irritated to the core? Oh yeah. Year after year, we see phases of good performances which eventually get undone by same bunch of players forgetting how to play football i.e. how to pass, when to expect a pass, who to pass to, what to do with ball at feet and how to not commit straight away when the opposition player does one shoulder drop. It is this bit about looking like an amateur level team that pisses me off.

Most of the free part of my day is based around playing football either with mates on a turf or on a gaming console. When United play crap, it just puts me off even seeing a football for the next few days. It takes me some time to recover. I just want the United performance to be of a certain level. I couldn't care less about losses if the performance itself shows that the team is gradually improving and is able to control games against good, technical opposition i.e. Seville. But the mannerism of most defeats and the increased frequency of below par performances is certainly taking an additive toll on my mood.
 
laughtersassassin said:
They frustrate me. We as fans give a lot to the club. For one we dedicate a lot of our time to watching them.

So to see us progress last season for the first time in years and then throw it all away coming into this season it is extremely disappointing.

A football team should always be trying to improve.
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Agreed on all points.
Our board is a serious problem.
What we are seeing now, is a repeat of what happened when Jose got 2nd.
The pattern is that when we get into the CL, we spend less. When we are out of the CL, we spend to get back into the CL.
 
Not depressed, just not excited about a 33 year old striker. Didn't we try this before with falcao?
 
Yes, it definitely did. Until I changed my expectations and try not to have any hopes for the season to come.

Right now I don't even care where we finish anymore, as long as we play high-tempo aggressive football. I just want to see nice football, can't be bothered with diving deeper into the club's problems anymore and making myself miserable over the failures of a bunch of overpaid millionaires.
 
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Not depressed, just not excited about a 33 year old striker. Didn't we try this before with falcao?
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really don’t see why people keep comparing the two. So completely different.

different ages, different injuries, one is a free, one was on loan.
 
groovyalbert said:
I would normally agree with this, but something seems different now. We've never seemed so obviously unambitious in our direction.

I think the club is now a toy to businessmen and bankers who don't know what game they're playing, and have no proper investment in it.

I feel like we're supporting a business.
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We are. It is. They don't. We are. Welcome to the desert of the real.
 
It’s more anger and frustration than depression. It’s knowing that we really could have pushed on but have been let down by the board.
 
Bilbo said:
If you want a good example of how toxic this forum is now, and how negative, go read the thread for the group stage of the CL.

There's little excitement about being back in the competition, despite everyone's obsession with top 4 being solely for that purpose. Its an embarrassment.

To me half of this forum aren't even United fans really. They 'loved' United because we were the best and that made them feel better about themselves. Now they are all just bitter.
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Spot on.
 
groovyalbert said:
Genuine question, is following this club now negatively impacting your day-to-day life?

Because if I'm honest, knowing how we're being run and having our reputation destroyed, I'm left feeling crap.

I can deal with losing, I don't expect to be winning trophies all the time. But knowing how - and to what end we're operating - I just don't recognize us right now.
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“Depressed” is a very strong word,but I”ve certainly felt disillusioned on many occasions over the last 7 years.Just when it feels like we”re up....we just come crashing down again(Just when I think I”m out....they just pull me right back in!)...
 
Its only football. I can get a bit down when we lose but I soon get over it. Its never going to affect my day to day life.

I really don't give a shit how we are run or what transfers we do or don't make because its beyond my control. I just enjoy watching games and enjoying the wins and suffering the losses and going through the emotional rollercoaster that is football.
 
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