Are Bruno and Rashford a problem?

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Bruno - aside from his goal, stolen from Hojlund, he was atrocious again. Many missed passed, many Chelsea attacks started because of him just not knowing what to do. Why do we pay him 250 k a week? He should pay us 2 million a week for wearing the shirt. I love Erik ten Hag and he is our future but Bruno, my god, a liability was never more apparent.
 
Can’t progress if we don’t get rid of these two and bring in technical footballers who have better decision making
 
miliebrowndivorceattorney said:
Bruno - aside from his goal, stolen from Hojlund, he was atrocious again. Many missed passed, many Chelsea attacks started because of him just not knowing what to do. Why do we pay him 250 k a week? He should pay us 2 million a week for wearing the shirt. I love Erik ten Hag and he is our future but Bruno, my god, a liability was never more apparent.
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I'm not a big Bruno fan but how was his goal stolen from Hojlund?
 
Bruno has a very specific set of skills that should be utilised better by the coaching staff.

If you look at his key passes, assists, ball retention etc...its all about what you'd expect for a creative midfield player - the problem is we have him playing predominantly in areas that really don't suit that kind of high risk/high reward football. I'm not having that he is "THE" problem though, I think he'd be great in a functioning setup.

Rashford is beyond useless, he's actively detrimental to the team
 
Bruno screws up so many chances. For a supposed talisman he is really average.
 
Bruno is one of the worst player to play for united. This is the most obvious thing to see for anyone who watched united play.
 
Bruno is a problem for sure. He is not quick enough. You can see in these type of games it is passing him by. And when he does try to be quick he gives the ball away.
 
I clearly remember when Berbatov was deemed as lazy, but now somehow Rashford is misunderstood...
 
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Bruno screws up so many chances. For a supposed talisman he is really average.
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He, alongside our manager tactics, is one of the main reasons we can't control single game and act like bunch of idiots during games.
 
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Bruno screws up so many chances. For a supposed talisman he is really average.
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We simply don't have a team that can afford to have such players. I like Bruno, I really do but unless we find a way to stop shots against us so easily we just can't afford to give away so much possession. He doesn't offer enough in other departments.

Rashford is just not good enough in any way currently and again, doesn't offer anything. Poor dribbling, poor in possession, awful out of possession, poor at heading and barely contributes.

I would rather have them replaced with cheap and consistent 6/10 players. I would add Casemiro to this list as well.
 
Bruno has some qualities that make him a top player in some areas, but he is absolutely inept at other basic areas of the game which make him a liability.

One thing, though, is that he is always available and he always gives a 100%. For that alone, I hope he gets a good send off this season. Let's win the FA cup, let him raise a trophy as the captain and then fecking ship him off to Saudi or whoever will take him.

As for Rashford, just rip his contract in half.
 
I work in a crewroom with guys who support loads of different teams. And I can honestly say not one of them is having Bruno at all. They say the same thing as many think on here in that his stats way inflate his actual ability. He’s the reason people should watch a player rather than look at stats.
That said, let’s hope some Saudi side look at his stats and aren’t watching United this season.
 
They've both had seasons in the past in which they were world class. What has changed?
 
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They haven't.
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Bruno in the calendar year 2020 was world class - since then he's been incredibly inconsistent (and often consistently bad), but in the first year he was a genuine goal scoring machine from midfield while at the same time creating chances left and right.
 
We will never control a game of football properly with Bruno and Rashford as our two main ‘stars’. They both need to go - it’s clear as day. Let’s see if all these new boardroom signings have any sense or whether they’ll need a whole new year to figure it out.
 
stepic said:
We will never control a game of football properly with Bruno and Rashford as our two main ‘stars’. They both need to go - it’s clear as day. Let’s see if all these new boardroom signings have any sense or whether they’ll need a whole new year to figure it out.
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Spot on.

They'll need a year or maybe even two to figure it out. Unfortunately... There are so few people in football who understand the principles of control.

Our only hope is Berrada does.
 
Bruno has been a great player for United but he's been getting progressively worse for the last couple of seasons. He's never been great at controlling games but now his goal involvements are declining, it's getting more obvious.

Since SAF retired, we've lost the ruthlessness needed to move a player on at the right time. Fergie had little issue getting rid of a player when it was best for the squad, Hughes, Ince, Beckham to name a few but it's like we're holding onto Bruno because his early numbers hold up.

In my opinion, Bruno has been good for us and there's nothing wrong in saying thanks for the memories but we're moving on if a different direction and move him on probably for a great fee.
 
How the fans standards have dropped over the years. There is no way they would be starters at a top club with ambitions in current form
 
I don't think neither Bruno and Rashford were the main problem, although it would still be necessary to have an addition to swap with Rashford (or try to play Amad more perhaps). The 02 positions that we need to fix urgently are a worldclass DM to rotate with Casemiro who have mix of good and bad games, and a better ball controlling CB and left back (if Martinez and Shaw continue not playing enough games next season).

Also watching 3 recent games, It is clear that Hojlund did not hold the ball and aerial fight well enough, where as Maguire kept making these ridiculous long balls to him. Don't get me wrong, Hojlund was good but he look abit off since injury. Maguire is a good CB and very useful with set play, but he needs to realise his passing limitation and pass the ball to other for build up rather than trying these long balls that lose us possession.

If we can buy Bellingham to replace Bruno and Mbappe to replace Rashford then I think we should, but if we are to spend cash to solve the immediate issue then I prefer we spend on a worldclass DM and CB/Left-back first.
 
FootballAI said:
I don't think neither Bruno and Rashford were the main problem, although it would still be necessary to have an addition to swap with Rashford (or try to play Amad more perhaps). The 02 positions that we need to fix urgently are a worldclass DM to rotate with Casemiro who have mix of good and bad games, and a better ball controlling CB and left back (if Martinez and Shaw continue not playing enough games next season).

Also watching 3 recent games, It is clear that Hojlund did not hold the ball and aerial fight well enough, where as Maguire kept making these ridiculous long balls to him. Don't get me wrong, Hojlund was good but he look abit off since injury. Maguire is a good CB and very useful with set play, but he needs to realise his passing limitation and pass the ball to other for build up rather than trying these long balls that lose us possession.

If we can buy Bellingham to replace Bruno and Mbappe to replace Rashford then I think we should, but if we are to spend cash to solve the immediate issue then I prefer we spend on a worldclass DM and CB/Left-back first.
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We don't need to splash cash to replace them immediately as Mount is perfectly capable to replace Bruno as well play on the flanks along with Garnacho but what definitely needs to happen is to get some cash while we can for Bruno and Rashford because another season like this for both of them then we are definitely stuck with them till their contracts run out .
 
FootballAI said:
If we can buy Bellingham to replace Bruno and Mbappe to replace Rashford then I think we should, but if we are to spend cash to solve the immediate issue then I prefer we spend on a worldclass DM and CB/Left-back first.
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Oh my. I hate to wake you up from your blissful dream state, but it's time to go to work
 
The problem with players like Bruno and Rashford is their game relies completely on moments of brilliance. If they are not on top of their game, their bottom level is very low and they don't even get the basics right.

Player like Mount or Mainoo will not deliver you moments of brilliance every game (Mainoo seems capable of doing it at the moment, but I still think we're seeing a bit of a golden patch of form like we did recently with Hojlund). But that's not the problem, because their basic level is so high, in the end you can easily get more of them.

However, to utilize players like Mainoo, Mount, Dalot etc effectively, you need to have a tactical setup that will make this all work. On the other hand, with players like Bruno and Rashford, there is no setup needed, the more chaos the better, and that's the reason ETH and Ole (to some extent) were able to make it work despite being tactically inept.
 
stepic said:
We will never control a game of football properly with Bruno and Rashford as our two main ‘stars’.
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In fairness we’ll never control a game with these tactics, no matter the personnel.

The boss had a chance to swap out both yesterday with tonnes of options on the bench for once (Mount, Antony & Eriksen), but kept them on for most of the game & was happy with the performance showing our great potential.

I’m not gonna argue anyone should be sold based on these tactics, it’s just absolute chaos.
 
When Rashford can be arsed, he's still a potential starter for a top club but barring last season, he hasn't been arsed for 3 or 4 years now. Fernandes is a major problem though, his inability to lead, to create chances and importantly retain possession in the final 3rd has been awful for a long time now.

When I look at what we need to bring in and our FFP restrictions, these two being moved on is a no brainer. Both are on mega money they don't deserve, both could generate decent fees still and neither are really good enough if we have aspirations to be competing at the top level each season.
 
mikeyt said:
When Rashford can be arsed, he's still a potential starter for a top club but barring last season, he hasn't been arsed for 3 or 4 years now. Fernandes is a major problem though, his inability to lead, to create chances and importantly retain possession in the final 3rd has been awful for a long time now.

When I look at what we need to bring in and our FFP restrictions, these two being moved on is a no brainer. Both are on mega money they don't deserve, both could generate decent fees still and neither are really good enough if we have aspirations to be competing at the top level each season.
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Both are replaceable too. Rashford for me isn't a big loss because he can barely play as a striker, and we can probably get a decent LW for the money we get for Marcus. Bruno doesn't need to be replaced in the first place, selling him should get us some decent money to get CB/CM and maybe we can make it work with the offensive players we have + new LW and CF (that we need anyway).

I don't think they will be sold this summer, but I would get rid of them if we really want to rebuild.
 
It really takes gut to make the decision of letting go Bruno and Rashford , and I deeply hope the new management team see the need and make it happen.

The two of them pretty much summarize the reasons why we can't control the midfield and lack of productivity in the attack. If anyone disagrees, you just need to watch Odegaard and Martinelli in Arsenal games. They perform their functions for the team: Odegarrd strings the play together and shows for the balls in pocket space, Martinelli stretches the opponents vertical with his on or off ball movements. That's just LWF and AMC/MC should do, also nothing too fancy / spectacular. They just keeps the intensity and discipline of repeating the same work, then the team creates chances and control the game.

The high turnover rates with both of their quality determine that we will not be able to form any systematic style whatsoever if they are the core players in the game plan. We are more betting the luck and their forms , and ironically making their stats look great and fall into the circular reference to prove that they are important players for the team.
 
I don't think we'll sell both and I'd sell Rashford every day over Bruno. The latter works 100 times harder and shouldn't be a priority to sell. The only change I'd make is to rotate him a bit more often to keep him fresh and focused.
 
afatzp said:
It really takes gut to make the decision of letting go Bruno and Rashford , and I deeply hope the new management team see the need and make it happen.

The two of them pretty much summarize the reasons why we can't control the midfield and lack of productivity in the attack. If anyone disagrees, you just need to watch Odegaard and Martinelli in Arsenal games. They perform their functions for the team: Odegarrd strings the play together and shows for the balls in pocket space, Martinelli stretches the opponents vertical with his on or off ball movements. That's just LWF and AMC/MC should do, also nothing too fancy / spectacular. They just keeps the intensity and discipline of repeating the same work, then the team creates chances and control the game.

The high turnover rates with both of their quality determine that we will not be able to form any systematic style whatsoever if they are the core players in the game plan. We are more betting the luck and their forms , and ironically making their stats look great and fall into the circular reference to prove that they are important players for the team.
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Exactly this especially the last paragraph. They are both easily replaced but it will require cahones from the people upstairs. Just like when ETH first arrived myself and plenty others said how he handles these two players will determine how successful he is as manager, the same will be true for the ineos regime. The best thing will be to get rid of both asap and reinvest into a new vision of the football we want to play. If like ETH they choose to make these two the focal point of their project then we're fecked.
 
I think ETH signed Mount with the idea of rotating him in for Bruno and eventually pushing Bruno out, I mean I love Bruno for his passion and brilliance, but when he is not pulling a rabbit out of a hat he is absolutely undermining us, the problem is when the entire focus of the team is to go through him he is exposed time after time, in a better set up where he was not the sole focus in midfield I think he would improve

Rashford is at his best unplayable, as good as it gets in world football, however if you expect more from him than what he gives then you have a problem, I know football has changed but can you imagine some of our greats like RVN, Cole, Yorke, Cantona, Berbatov etc... tracking back and putting in the hard yards, play Rashford to his strengths is a set up that suits him and he will be killer, is that Utd? if he moves and they utilise him well he will be outstanding

Yesterday vs Liverpool, Garnacho was just as guilty as Rashford for laziness and offered about as much going forward (not meaning to knock AG BTW just saying) the only winger we have that actually works hard in defence is Antony and he is a disaster in attack, in an ideal world/set up we would have players that do everything and do it at 100% all the time, but we don't I would rather have a solid defence and midfield and let the attackers attack, again I know football has moved on, but can you imagine a Irwin and Parker consistently being further forward than their wingers, or Kanchelskis and Sharpe covering as FBs every attack?

I would really keep Rashford over Bruno, but I would only keep either if they are going to be used to their strengths, the problem is the expectations for both are unrealistic, not saying that excuses them just saying it leads to disappointment
 
Zed 101 said:
Yesterday vs Liverpool, Garnacho was just as guilty as Rashford for laziness and offered about as much going forward
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This is just untrue. Rashford did more defensive work and offered a lot more going forwards. Off the top of my head, Rashford put in two really dangerous crosses, played a nice first time pass into Bruno to create space (who should have set Garnacho through) and released Hojlund with a lovely bit of skill and through ball (who should have got a shot off). He also had nearly twice as many touches despite playing 10 minutes less.

I rated Rashford a 7 yesterday and Garnacho a 5. That isn’t to say that I thought Garnacho did anything particularly wrong - he just struggled to get involved.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
In fairness we’ll never control a game with these tactics, no matter the personnel.

The boss had a chance to swap out both yesterday with tonnes of options on the bench for once (Mount, Antony & Eriksen), but kept them on for most of the game & was happy with the performance showing our great potential.

I’m not gonna argue anyone should be sold based on these tactics, it’s just absolute chaos.
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The tactics are catering to both of their style of play. He won’t play a more controlling, possession based style because it doesn’t suit our supposedly best players.

It’s a reflection on ETH as well, in trying to come up with a tactic around the players rather than imposing his own style. That’s why he’s destined to fail because the players he is catering to means we’re so exposed. It’s even more insane when you consider that neither of these two players are actually that great.
 
Zed 101 said:
Rashford is at his best unplayable, as good as it gets in world football, however if you expect more from him than what he gives then you have a problem, I know football has changed but can you imagine some of our greats like RVN, Cole, Yorke, Cantona, Berbatov etc... tracking back and putting in the hard yards, play Rashford to his strengths is a set up that suits him and he will be killer, is that Utd? if he moves and they utilise him well he will be outstanding

Yesterday vs Liverpool, Garnacho was just as guilty as Rashford for laziness and offered about as much going forward (not meaning to knock AG BTW just saying) the only winger we have that actually works hard in defence is Antony and he is a disaster in attack, in an ideal world/set up we would have players that do everything and do it at 100% all the time, but we don't I would rather have a solid defence and midfield and let the attackers attack, again I know football has moved on, but can you imagine a Irwin and Parker consistently being further forward than their wingers, or Kanchelskis and Sharpe covering as FBs every attack?
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The state of this, feck me. He doesnt even start for England. Why are you comparing him to a load of centre forwards?
 
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