There is so much wrong with this post, I don't even know where to start.
This thread is full of shite like this.
Appointing Solskjaer was a mistake
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There is so much wrong with this post, I don't even know where to start.
This thread is full of shite like this.
Nothing wrong with this thread. Certainly justifiable and worth discussion. Since when did we become Russia?
Funny how it wasn’t posted in or made by another member before Sunday though. Nothing was said while Ole was on a good run at the start, wait till he loses a few and then everyone pounce. Seems reasonable.
Plenty of people had concerns even during the good run but it was lost in the sea of "Ole's at the wheel" posts.
Fair, I had my concerns too.
Still, where was the thread? Or were the concerns not that bad then?
I’m sure this thread was meant as a wind up and people have just run with it now, it’s no longer a parody
The only way I can see Ole staying beyond end of next season is if Phelan gets more involved in the decision making side/getting rid of the dross. Think Ole is out of his depth here.
Cant believe people are once again blaming the manger.
It’s one thing blaming Ole for the mess we are in (clearly he isn’t to blame) but I don’t see any reason why people shouldn’t express doubts about his suitability for the role. Legend, lovely guy etc and a good choice to come in as caretaker to try to detoxify tbe club after Mourinho. The fact remains however that, for the second time in 6 years, we have appointed as pemament manager someone our direct rivals would not touch with a bargepole.
Dear god!Is it just me but is he starting to sound like Moyes with all those cliched soundbites about work rate, running, fitness, the United way etc?
He’s even beginning to look like Moyes!
I'm guessing because he hadn't been named manager yet. Once it was announced, naturally more scrutiny occurs.
Does Everton and Watford have a better squad than us?
I thought that was only me, he really does starting to look like Moyes.Is it just me but is he starting to sound like Moyes with all those cliched soundbites about work rate, running, fitness, the United way etc?
He’s even beginning to look like Moyes!
3 players aside, I don’t think there’s much between our and Everton’s squad.
Is it just me but is he starting to sound like Moyes with all those cliched soundbites about work rate, running, fitness, the United way etc?
He’s even beginning to look like Moyes!
We obviously need enough work rate from the players while they are on the pitch. Liverpool wouldn't be where they are today without that. We can't achieve anything with the deadwoods and lazy average players we have. It's high time people sink that in.
You are the delusional one if you think the pressure to manage Spurs is the same as managing United. There is NO pressure at Spurs. None. Does Poch have to win the title? No. Does he have to win trophies? He hasn't won one yet (which is the norm at Spurs to be fair). Top 4? I doubt he would be fired for missing top 4. Satisfy a tiny fan base located entirely in London? Hardly; they have very low expectations already. Where is the pressure at Spurs? It is nonexistent. It is zero. The only pressure on Poch is to show up every morning at 9 AM sharp with baldy's tea and crumpets in hand. That's it. Nothing more.
Would watford want Young back? Everton Lukaku??
Young is now an old player, but they'd probably still take him there, as a squad player.
Everton would defo gladly take back Rom and play him if he was given back to them.
They might take him if we gave him away but they certainly wouldn't pay any big money.
With a limited few exceptions, the majority of our squad wouldn't stand out in either of their first teams.
He is.
The other day I said Ole is essentially Moyes in a “club legend” coat and “nice guy” hat, but that’s kind of insulting to and dismissive of Moyes who could at least could boast about a decade in the prem. meanwhile Ole relegated Cardiff.
we are at the point of saying two arguably GOAT managers couldn’t do more than a guy that managed in some fishermen league? madnessWe were miles away from challenging for a top 4 place when he arrived and despite inheriting a very limited team of players he made a fight of it.He is.
The other day I said Ole is essentially Moyes in a “club legend” coat and “nice guy” hat, but that’s kind of insulting to and dismissive of Moyes who could at least could boast about a decade in the prem. meanwhile Ole relegated Cardiff.
They are not his players....all blame is on Jose 100%
Pochettino has faced the pressure of keeping Spurs in the top 4 with a fraction of the transfer and wages budget available to United and the other contenders for top 4. It's a type of pressure totally unknown to United managers, who have spent many hundreds of millions more than Pochettino during his time at Spurs.
And now Pochettino faces the pressure of progressing from a CL semi-final to reach the final (and with a squad heavily depleted by injuries and Son's suspension). When was the last time, during Pochettino's tenure at Spurs, that any United manager faced this same pressure?
But carry on with your illusions - illusions that, to the extent that they are shared by the United fan-base, only serve to undermine your club's chances of getting to grips with the reality of the situation that it now faces.
So, winning run = Ole made a fight of it
Losing run = Ole has nothing to do with this, not his responsibility or fault. Players are trash and it’s 100% Mourinho’s fault. Not even Ferguson or Busby in their prime could or would do better.
Okay 95 % He has continued playing Young when it is obvious that he is absolutely finished and has been slow to leave Matic out also , but he can bring no-one else in and he is stuck with a limited team and players that haven't got the desire or bottle for a fight when required.So, winning run = Ole made a fight of it
Losing run = Ole has nothing to do with this, not his responsibility or fault. Players are trash and it’s 100% Mourinho’s fault. Not even Ferguson or Busby in their prime could or would do better.
That's not ole's fault that is what he inherited from previous managers.
His appointment may/may not turn out to be a success but blaming him for the mess of this season is ridiculous.
I think you are confusing 'Pressure' with 'Challenge'. Substitute the word in the quoted post, it will be correct. Pochettino has faced and is facing all the challenges you claim. But pressure comes with expectation. Requirement to do something. If Pochettino doesn't reach final, meh. if pochettino doesn't keep spurs in top 4, meh (he has injuries and transfer policy to fall back on, but life moves on, he won't be fired). Bottomline - no, Pochettino doesn't face the same pressure as a United manager would. FACT.
My thoughts exactly.
Especially after the Everton game when it was as clear as day the players give zero fecks....the manager still takes the blame.
So, winning run = Ole made a fight of it
Losing run = Ole has nothing to do with this, not his responsibility or fault. Players are trash and it’s 100% Mourinho’s fault. Not even Ferguson or Busby in their prime could or would do better.
This does irk me a bit. What's the problem with looking at the whole picture. It seems groups have been formed already where one side is only looking at our winning run and another side is only looking at our losing run.
Played 26
16 W 2 D 8 L
A historic night in Paris, a cup defeat to Wolves where we were handily outplayed, losses to Barca and City are understandable. A mediocre record in all honesty, we've lost 30% of our games, which is quite a lot. You'd expect a few more draws in there, If I were to pick them out I'd say away to Wolves, away to Everton and PSG at home were games we could expect to draw.
All in all I am in favour of Ole getting at least 1 more season.
This is some Pravda level rewrite of history the team that came 2nd can't be miles away from a top 4 place didn't Ole have us in the top 4?
remind me where we were when Jose got fired?
A couple of seasons? There is no way this could possibly happen unless someone in high authority was either grossly incompetent to the point of outright negligence or actively trying to irrevocably damage the club from within.
Some may not like Woodward the slightest bit especially when it comes to footballing matters. However, his accomplishments on the business side alone demonstrate that the chances of either scenario taking place is basically non-existent.
it's definitely a huge risk, I'm astounded a behemoth of a company like Manchester United actually takes that risk in already very difficult position we're in. Speaks volumes if we don't even attempt to appoint a DoF or any kind of structure whatsoever and our hundreds millions worth signings are just lucky guesses from Woodward, it's just difficult to explain logically. Even more so when we have a blueprint for success of a team in the same bloody city.
I bet you couldn't believe people were praising the manager when we were that great run? That how football works, you win you praised you lose you get brickbats.
Since OGS came in, we're 3rd in the league table 7 points off top after 18 games. Last season, pick any set of 18 consecutive games- the game was always 10+
We have to be honest with the repeated failures of poor management and governance we have spent half a billion and have at most 2 players of the standard to compete for the title.
How is any manager going to turn it around without huge investment? and even if (unlikely) the money was available, history suggests it takes a couple of seasons to stop the rot.
I don't envy Ole, it is almost an impossible task.
He'll need at least one transfer window and a full preseason to implement his ideas on the football pitch. Results before that good or bad should be looked upon with skepticism till that point.
There are still reasons why I believe he's the right choice because he's the first manager post Fergie that actually believes in playing attractive, quick and easy on the eye football. The others were just plain dull in their approach. He also desperately wants to succeed here and his desire to succeed is a key element that I'm expecting will help this club .
Let's give him a fair Crack at it I believe he has the right ideas on how to rebuild the club.
There are still reasons why I believe he's the right choice because he's the first manager post Fergie that actually believes in playing attractive, quick and easy on the eye football. The others were just plain dull in their approach. He also desperately wants to succeed here and his desire to succeed is a key element that I'm expecting will help this club .
Let's give him a fair Crack at it I believe he has the right ideas on how to rebuild the club.
The club should have waited until May before deciding on OGS's appointment. I don't understand what the rush was for. It's not like there was a queue of other top clubs battling for his signature, and I doubt he was pushing for an early decision either. By any standards, 7 losses in 9 matches is a dreadful run.
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That's a bit simplistic summary of the posters on CAF who are still behind Ole.So, winning run = Ole made a fight of it
Losing run = Ole has nothing to do with this, not his responsibility or fault. Players are trash and it’s 100% Mourinho’s fault. Not even Ferguson or Busby in their prime could or would do better.
I think it's more like
Winning run = finally Mourinho's gone and Ole has inspired them to give their all and play some attacking football.
Losing Run = oh shit the squad is knackered, and wow some tough opponents coming up..and by the way, this squad isn't very good
I will admit that Ole's first little spell was against lesser sides mainly. But when Mourinho was in charge we still played park the bus against these lightweights and often lost or would "smash them" 1-0 or 0-0. Once Ole got in, they played attacking football and it worked against those types of sides since we do have better players than them and they got into form real quick. Look at the recent teams we've played, PSG 2 times, Barcelona 2 times, Arsenal, Tottenham, Wolves (good form), Man City...
Oh come on. You know our squad is better than Everton and Watfords but they outplayed us for fun.
I'm willing to give Ole a chance.
My big problem is, I actual don't know what style of play he's trying to adopt
My big problem is, I actual don't know what style of play he's trying to adopt
Sit back and counter. But doing that against the likes of Everton is a joke
Not saying Ole shouldn't have gotten the job but I'd be more optimistic if United had appointed a Sporting director before Ole. That way, you'd know the board had a plan in place to get us back to the top.
The decision was pure emotional. As it now, there're so many glaring problems in the team and replacing half of the squad wouldn't fix it. I don't believe the club is smart enough to fix it in the summer either. Ole is being setup to fail
The decision was pure emotional. As it now, there're so many glaring problems in the team and replacing half of the squad wouldn't fix it. I don't believe the club is smart enough to fix it in the summer either. Ole is being setup to fail
That's the problem though isn't it. We've clearly got some shithouses in the squad but the fact they've given up on OGS so early is worrying.
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