Yeah that’s not happening.
Antony | On loan to Real Betis
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Yeah that’s not happening.
Just remember that Lingard looked amazing at West Ham, went back to United, barely played thereafter and then had to sign for a Korean club as he couldn't find a decent club anywhere that wanted him, even for nowt.
Antony will look decent for weaker teams where there's no real pressure, but he's not at the level required for a big one. Not even close. I think United would bite the arm off any club offering £30m+ for him in the summer.
Antony will look decent for weaker teams where there's no real pressure, but he's not at the level required for a big one. Not even close. I think United would bite the arm off any club offering £30m+ for him in the summer.
I remember when he scored for us in the Europa League (I think it might actually have been against Betis) where he cut in on his left, shot, scored.
Watching that goal, I said "that wouldn't happen in the PL - he wouldn't get that much time and space to cut in and shoot that slowly"
Not surprised he's doing well in Spain.
Watching that goal, I said "that wouldn't happen in the PL - he wouldn't get that much time and space to cut in and shoot that slowly"
Not surprised he's doing well in Spain.
We absolutely should. It's not just about the pressure at United either. Antony is just much more suited to La Liga than the Premier League. His complete lack of pace was always going to be a problem here, and it's a mystery that it wasn't spotted in scouting.
La Liga often looks like its in slow motion compared to the PL, it seems disingenuous for anyone to claim that sort of thing won't massively help someone like Antony.
That and the fact he's so insanely predictable. Feint, then cut in and shoot from 25 yards or put in a poor whipped cross, pretty much a Lidl version of Robben. Once that got sussed he was redundant as teams would just let him have the ball as they knew what he was going to do.
One of the most one dimensional wingers I've seen, especially for United who over the PL era have had some of the best the league has seen. No pace, couldn't take a man on, just got the ball and tried the same thing over and over, or he'd crap himself if he was up against a decent WB and pass it back.
One thing I will say for him, he wasn't short on effort, he put a shift in whenever I saw him play, but I don't think showing effort should be applauded when someone is on £50k or more a week, it's the least anyone would expect yet more and more players around Europe seem to be lacking that most basic of fundamentals in modern football.
just watched the highlights. i saw that during the game he kind of uses his foot against the ball, but harder than a pass, or when you give the ball away, and it went flying past the gloved man and into the rectangle thing with the fishing net attached. it seemed to make all the players and fans happy. i don’t remember seeing any of our players doing that kind of thing with the ball. is that allowed? and if it makes people happy, should we be doing that kind of thing too?
Loan with obligation to buy for the following summer probably then.
I think that's the way forward here as he's on quite high wages too so it's not like they make a saving there. The summer of 26 we would only need around £18m to break even but the only way we get the £35m this summer would be if he kept this form up and got a goal/ assist a game for the rest of the season and got back in the Brazilian team at only 25 and he's shown he can do it in La Liga (sprinkled with good performances against the big 3 there) then a Spanish team may take the risk.
Well you can pretend it’s not true but he was dispossessed just 12 times all season in the Prem and had 82% pass completion.
Just compare him to a winger the caf loves from the same season.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats...202&player1isActive=1&player1compSeasonId=489
Or Saka that season who had less pass completion and was dispossessed 59 times.
Or Amad for reference this season who has been dispossessed 32 times.
Antony was unquestionably an important part of our team play in that first decent ETH season and we’ve been a much worse team ever since he lost his starting spot, in every single metric you can measure by.
When replaced last season with a player who provided just a few more goals and assists, we also lost an incredible amount in terms of being able to keep the ball and having an out ball for the defenders to play to when under pressure.
Garna last season was dispossessed a whopping 49 times and also had a lower pass completion. As a team we suffered for it, I thought it was blindingly obvious too, with Rashford and Antony it was fine having one less productive winger who was a great outball and kept the ball when the other could concentrate on just producing as much as possible and playing a much riskier game.
We swapped that balance for 2 mental wingers who both were selfish and gave zero shits about keeping the ball. Rashford suffered for it, Garnacho suffered for it, our striker suffered for it.
@Pogue Mahone do you remember we often mentioned this balance in his first season when he missed games?
Absolutely baffles me so many fans couldn’t see this and gave more of a shit about trying to meme him.
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I don't see a massive difference between what he did for us. Against a low block he really doesn't take players on. But it seems like Betis are much more drilled to break a low block collectively with passing progressions where Antony isn't required to dribble much, more of a one-two short passing receive into space (how he created the penalty).
When he has space to run in counter attacks and broken plays he looks better, although in the video you see him beating the fullback for pace and then stopping instead of continuing his run, not trusting his pace much. Also still very one footed, still works his socks off defensively, trustworthy with the ball etc
I don't see a massive difference between what he did for us. Against a low block he really doesn't take players on. But it seems like Betis are much more drilled to break a low block collectively with passing progressions where Antony isn't required to dribble much, more of a one-two short passing receive into space (how he created the penalty).
When he has space to run in counter attacks and broken plays he looks better, although in the video you see him beating the fullback for pace and then stopping instead of continuing his run, not trusting his pace much. Also still very one footed, still works his socks off defensively, trustworthy with the ball etc
I think we’ll see a return to happiness if we keep going after good talent under 18 and develop them to fit into our ideal lineup.
Out of interest and an honest question, I hear a lot about other leagues not being up to the pace and physicality of the PL, I don’t watch any other league now a days, are any other leagues similar?
They’ll soon suss out the one trick pony
Having said that, I still think it was negligent not to have tried him on his natural left side
Having said that, I still think it was negligent not to have tried him on his natural left side
When you don't cross, play through balls, attempt dribbles, and only pass backwards or sideways 5 yards you will tend to not give the ball away much.
If he does great then it’s good for all parties in my opinion, I’ve not seen too much difference to how he was here personally.
Hope PSG or any top Spanish clubs buy Antony(40M) / Greenwood for 60M and Aston Villa buy Rashford for 40M + 25M from Sancho sale,.
Not too far off and it can give us some thing to rebuild
Not too far off and it can give us some thing to rebuild
But if he goes on to have a very successful loan spell in Spain, it still raises the question why he couldn't have the same success at United? The Spanish league is also at a high level, and if Antony can have instant success here, it will be very relevant to look at ourselves as well. Could there be something special at United that makes it difficult for talented players to become successful?
I think it’s worth a try. We could even make it hit the fishing net more if we pick it up between both hands and throw it in too maybe. The fans will love this and we’ll go home with a full net, but with balls instead of fish.
You can't just write off a season of rubbish performances by guessing at "allegations."
Especially when his first season was just OK. He did keep the ball fairly well but ultimately still only 4 league goals. Not enough to be so sure that second season was down to external factors.
Two managers dropped him as well.
Unfortunately teams know we are kinda broke . So they will offer us very less in terms in transfer fees and will entice players to push for a transfer in return for better wages ( for Rashford and Sancho itll mean getting a 30-40% paycut as opposed to 50% + )
Bundesliga, the only other league I watch quite a bit, is pretty physical and high pace in my opinion. Whenever I have watched Ligue 1, which is not often lately, it felt more physical and faster than La Liga and Serie A.
Quality post
Expecting us to make a bid for him any minute now
Not sure how the apostles would have reacted to that, to be honest
Sancho and Rashford’s fees have already been decided based on certain criteria. Greenwood isn’t our player to sell anymore and Antony will probably end up back in Manchester as United have no money to buy replacements.
I feel like he’s played every other day since moving there on loan
Because he isn't that talented. Memphis looked better in France than at Utd but ultimately failed at being a top player. Now he is in Brazil. How many players leave United and prove to be top players elsewhere? There isn't a player I have regretted United selling bar Ronaldo. Betis might be his level but I can see him ending up in France.
The Spanish league isn't remotely the same level.
3 very good teams, 3-4 ok teams, and a load of absolute dross. Pretty much what the PL was like when the "big 4" was a thing, then it went to "big 6" - now there's about 12 teams that can go toe to toe with each other, and the big 6 aren't always one of them. Chelsea last season, United and Spurs this. Left in the dust while one of the 'small' teams like Forest are battling for a top 4 place and another one grabbed automatic promotion from the new CL format. The actual PL champions will be going out tonight in a tie break.
Spain's top 3 would seriously put the cat amongst the pigeons if they joined the PL, yet if the PL sent over Brighton, Villa and Brentford to replace them, one of them would more than likely win La Liga in their first season.
Maybe he wants to stay in United. His salery will only go down from now on.
He went to nottingham forest for a year before Seoul.
You have to feel for the La Liga is shit brigade. La Liga teams have won 10 of the last 20 UCLs and 12 of the last 20 Europa League/UEFA cups. In total, 6 different Spanish clubs have won at least one European trophy in that period.
They are terrible, slow, boring, no goals, no flair, no nothing. So strange that they're beating the incredible PL teams.
This La Liga bashing is so absurd and childish.
He started well at United too, then swiftly got found out.
I can only speak to the teams we've played but I never feel we've been beaten by a good team. Yet still somehow we are in fact beaten.
They just seem to have some kind of weird hold on these European games.
I also think the constant in game cheating helps them. A nightmare to deal with.
He just seems way happier there. This has not been a happy club for a very long time. As I said in the INEOS thread. Are you really going to be happy working for these guys while they are making all the ordinary decent people in work, often some of the only ones keeping these millionaires in touch with reality, miserable. It's clearly not been a good place to work, for players or staff. I think the happiest the club has been was under Ole before Ronaldo came back.
Sure, but let's not jump the gun yet regarding Antony. Very few of our ex players we offload go on to do great things.
"Some kind of weird hold on these European games". Come on now
You watch us play against these teams over the last few years, we're the better team. We know, they know it.
Then we lose.
It's hard to explain, they're a pain in the backside. Dreading facing one this year in EL.
Antony really does suit being there.