Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.

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Hope we get this one done.

Really like the idea of a right wing who can terrorise left backs while looking like a young Gavin Belson.
 
Zehner said:
Antony is very fast, Sancho's pace is severely underrated - he for instance has higher top speeds than Salah, Mané and probably every City attacking player bar Sterling.That being said, pace is probably the single most overrated attribute in modern football.
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Sancho has higher top speed than Mané? I'm not having that.
 
Sancho might have clocked higher pace, but his acceleration is not that great.

The key attribute is that little burst of speed to create a second of space for the shot / cross / pass, which Sancho seems to struggle doing.
 
Zehner said:
Antony is very fast, Sancho's pace is severely underrated - he for instance has higher top speeds than Salah, Mané and probably every City attacking player bar Sterling.That being said, pace is probably the single most overrated attribute in modern football.
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Exactly. It’s all about powerful acceleration from standing starts. Explosive movements.

Antony is really fast and explosive, too
 
Zehner said:
Antony is very fast, Sancho's pace is severely underrated - he for instance has higher top speeds than Salah, Mané and probably every City attacking player bar Sterling.That being said, pace is probably the single most overrated attribute in modern football.
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Whatever about pace being overrated, those top speed calculations definitely are. Sancho would get smoked by Salah and Mané.

I actually love him and find it a tragedy that the coaches misunderstood his game so badly but he just doesn’t have high end winger pace.
 
First touch like silk. Having two wingers who can control a football dead on either side would be nice.
 
DWelbz19 said:
First touch like silk. Having two wingers who can control a football dead on either side would be nice.
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Exactly. Hopefully we will have Sancho (Garnacho) on the left, and Antony (Diallo) on the right. All of them are good baller.
 
Zehner said:
Antony is very fast, Sancho's pace is severely underrated - he for instance has higher top speeds than Salah, Mané and probably every City attacking player bar Sterling.That being said, pace is probably the single most overrated attribute in modern football.
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How can you underrate someone's pace???
We can all see how quick he is and he is not as quick as anyone in the Liverpool frontline apart from Firmino
If he had genuine pace he would be having a go at fullbacks but he has not got the belief to do so.
 
Bondi77 said:
If he had genuine pace he would be having a go at fullbacks but he has not got the belief to do so.
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He was doing so at Dortmund, he just came into a disjointed United team and clearly was suffering a loss of confidence. Which happens when you are a young player in a new league and your team is underperforming.
 
DevilRed said:
Get him ffs. He is class.

We used to be the premier destination for wingers of his calibre.
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Honestly he looks alright but I dont think he looks world class or say, Mane level before he joined.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
He was doing so at Dortmund, he just came into a disjointed United team and clearly was suffering a loss of confidence. Which happens when you are a young player in a new league and your team is underperforming.
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The FBs are stronger and faster and do not allow as much space in England and if he is going to suceed here he has to step up to match and exceed that.
 
VP89 said:
Honestly he looks alright but I dont think he looks world class or say, Mane level before he joined.
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Actually reminds me of Nani. Im sure he will infuriate with his decision making at times, but he is young, hungry and has amazing technical ability.

Could be every bit as good as mane, but would need to obviously improve his physique. Still only 22.

Beats having to watch the likes the lingard and martial on the wings.
 
DevilRed said:
Actually reminds me of Nani. Im sure he will infuriate with his decision making at times, but he is young, hungry and has amazing technical ability.

Could be every bit as good as mane, but would need to obviously improve his physique. Still only 22.

Beats having to watch the likes the lingard and martial on the wings.
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I think Nani had a lot more about him. Even prior to his arrival there were highlights of ridiculous skills and outrageous goals.

Think people are only pointing to Nani because both players like a bit of showboating.
 
VP89 said:
I think Nani had a lot more about him. Even prior to his arrival there were highlights of ridiculous skills and outrageous goals.

Think people are only pointing to Nani because both players like a bit of showboating.
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What a summer that was. Nani. Tevez. Anderson. Hargreaves. Kuszak.

Feck. Lets replicate that this summer :drool:
 
Bondi77 said:
How can you underrate someone's pace???
We can all see how quick he is and he is not as quick as anyone in the Liverpool frontline apart from Firmino
If he had genuine pace he would be having a go at fullbacks but he has not got the belief to do so.
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Technically speaking by assuming that he's slower than he actually is. There are lots of players whose pace is underestimated. Sometimes it is because of their running style, sometimes it is because they don't really rely on pace. Sancho has far better options than beating his fullback with pace.
 
Floyd said:
Sancho has higher top speed than Mané? I'm not having that.
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It's hard to believe, but it's probably the classic top speed versus acceleration thing.
The latter way more important, as you don't have 50metres or more to get to top speed that often.
 
Zehner said:
Technically speaking by assuming that he's slower than he actually is. There are lots of players whose pace is underestimated. Sometimes it is because of their running style, sometimes it is because they don't really rely on pace. Sancho has far better options than beating his fullback with pace.
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When I have watched him play for us he must be running at half pace then :wenger: :eek::nervous:
 
Zehner said:
Antony is very fast, Sancho's pace is severely underrated - he for instance has higher top speeds than Salah, Mané and probably every City attacking player bar Sterling.That being said, pace is probably the single most overrated attribute in modern football.
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In a wide player pace is extremely important there's nothing overrated about it. Lacking pace or a burst of acceleration as a forward is definitely a weakness. Of course you get some technical beasts that can cope without great speed but they are the exceptions.
 
Think we'd get a cracking player here if we get it done. Really hope he, Timber and Frenkie can get over the line.
 
VP89 said:
I think Nani had a lot more about him. Even prior to his arrival there were highlights of ridiculous skills and outrageous goals.

Think people are only pointing to Nani because both players like a bit of showboating.
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Have to say I don’t see the Nani comparisons at all. Antony looks a lot smoother on the dribble and he’s alleged to have good decision making. Nani was absolutely brainless at times but could cause havoc on his day and had a thunderbolt of a shot on him.
 
JPRouve said:
I love this type of player, that's what kids love and why they want to play Football.
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he'd certainly be the new name on the back of people's shirt that's for sure.

Kids loved Pogba for his style/swagger. I'm sure Antony would be a huge hit also.
 
Bojan Djordjic said:
Have to say I don’t see the Nani comparisons at all. Antony looks a lot smoother on the dribble and he’s alleged to have good decision making. Nani was absolutely brainless at times but could cause havoc on his day and had a thunderbolt of a shot on him.
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Agreed.

Antony looks even more naturally talented than Nani imo. Some of the skills he's pulling off in games is quite breathtaking. Antony at a similar age is definitely more talented and does things with the ball at speed whilst maintaining poise on the ball. And that for me is very impressive along with his work rate/intensity. Nani was underwhelming over the course of his career with a exception of a few seasons.

There was a 22/23 year old Franck Ribery still playing in France at the time, and there was much debate regarding if he could make the step up to EPL level under Arsene Wenger at Arsenal. We never got to know because Bayern ended up buying him and he turned into a world class player for them. Antony in some ways reminds me of Ribery the way he plays.
 
Dont have a particular preference between him and Raphinha but an actual threat from right wing is an absolute must this summer. Our right flank is one of the worst in the league and is in desperate need of someone with an actual attacking pulse.
 
red thru&thru said:
If we get this lad, then I think Rashford will be used up front.
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I think if we get him, Sancho will be used centrally.

People are massively underestimating the importance of Rashford next season, and him having a good season is absolutely crucial to us having a good season, as he’s the only senior wide player who can be relied upon for both output and also having rapid speed to stretch opponents.

Rashford in any sort of decent form has to be a lock on the left for me. I think that causes Sancho to put pressure on Bruno, as well as competing with Antony on the right if signed.
 
Rozay said:
I think if we get him, Sancho will be used centrally.

People are massively underestimating the importance of Rashford next season, and him having a good season is absolutely crucial to us having a good season, as he’s the only senior wide player who can be relied upon for both output and also having rapid speed to stretch opponents.

Rashford in any sort of decent form has to be a lock on the left for me. I think that causes Sancho to put pressure on Bruno, as well as competing with Antony on the right if signed.
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Realistically I think it'll just be a rotation between the front 4. Ronaldo, Rashford, Sancho, Bruno, Antony. Plenty of games to go around, form and fitness playing a part. Also add in some of the younger guys, or Van de Beek who will rotate in that 10 spot. In terms of pace specifically, I don't see it as being some necessity. Sancho and Antony out wide is a faster duo than Tadić and Antony which he always used at Ajax, Ronaldo up top instead of Haller... Of course, Rashford back firing is pushing a starting spot regardless, but if he gets them all firing again, then it'll be a rotation dependent on form/fitness/opponents I'm sure, which is very healthy. Martial will realistically rotate in as well, as we won't sell him if we can't buy someone to be that spot. But it's a good blend to have a group who can all play in more than 1 position in the front 4, and all who have a very high level if they hit form.
 
Would by Malacia instead, he had Anthony in his pocket. Can end with him for free then ;) Seriously though, he will be all or nothing I feel. Also the trackrecord of former ajax players is not exactly great recently. Ziyech, de Ligt, de Jong, vd Beek etc. all kinda floppped at their respective clubs. Risky move says I.
 
Adnan said:
Agreed.

Antony looks even more naturally talented than Nani imo. Some of the skills he's pulling off in games is quite breathtaking. Antony at a similar age is definitely more talented and does things with the ball at speed whilst maintaining poise on the ball. And that for me is very impressive along with his work rate/intensity. Nani was underwhelming over the course of his career with a exception of a few seasons.

There was a 22/23 year old Franck Ribery still playing in France at the time, and there was much debate regarding if he could make the step up to EPL level under Arsene Wenger at Arsenal. We never got to know because Bayern ended up buying him and he turned into a world class player for them. Antony in some ways reminds me of Ribery the way he plays.
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Let's see Antony do something in a top league first. Nani was playing in the PL at 20, Antony is 22 and in the Dutch league. Not sure if he's even more talented, let alone it being a definite. Nani could use both feet and strike the ball in a way Antony can only dream of.

Underwhelming career? Perhaps you need to have a look at his honours for club and country. It was his constant injuries that brought an end to his United career.
 
The pace of our front line is more than enough if we sign Antony. The main thing is to work towards successfully playing in the opponents half, which will mean more players committed in attack and more pass options for players like Sancho and Antony to link with.

So it's important to sign players who will help us build play effectively on the ball and also maintain a compact high block off the ball which will hopefully lead to a more coordinated counter pressing game. And that will be the way to build up a consistency in putting away some of the so called smaller teams.

So if we can Antony along with about 3 or 4 other players to occupy positions in the deeper build up phase, then we're on our way to rebuilding the team imo.
 
El Jefe said:
Let's see Antony do something in a top league first. Nani was playing in the PL at 20, Antony is 22 and in the Dutch league. Not sure if he's even more talented, let alone it being a definite. Nani could use both feet and strike the ball in a way Antony can only dream of.

Underwhelming career? Perhaps you need to have a look at his honours for club and country. It was his constant injuries that brought an end to his United career.
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I agree, let's see Antony do something in a big league first but we've already seen him in the Champions league.

And yes we did win titles during Nani's stay at United but I'm sure we would've won those regardless of him being at the club due to who was directing the ship at the time.
 
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