Great incompetence on display with the way we handled the FdJ and Antony deal. Very amateurish , you can't even try to make some sense to it
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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Yeah the last bit is also worrying. We don’t seem to have much clue on who to sign outside of who the manager recommends. This could be due to granting EtH complete control or due to our scouting department being non-existent (and recently revamped). Either scenario comes with it’s fair share of own risks.
We're getting into the silly regions of transfer fees where it will be so difficult for him to succeed here no matter what he does. It's more than Sancho's!
He better be a superstar
He better be a superstar
Just because someone tweeted it does mean it's true.
You also paid more than 50m euros for Martinez so he was wrong about that as well.
It's Murtough. Trying to make sense is a futile effort.
Some of the comments in here are absolutely absurd...
Ajax already lost Tagliafico, Mazraoui, Gravenberch, Martinez and Haller this summer who were important players.. Antony has only been at Ajax for 2 years so far and has 3 years left on his contract..
Ajax has every every right to refuse these bids and argue that they have lost enough players this season and dont want to let him go.. Regardless of price... Maybe they just dont care he will maybe be worth a lot less next year, but we just want him to stay to be better in the Champions League... Antony also has to grow up, realize he has a 3 year contract, realize that if he continues his current form there will be other clubs next year, plus he cannot afford to go sulking with the World Cup coming up...
Everyone can argue ofcourse Ajax are playing a risky game, when it comes to the finances involved and/or player unhappiness.. But the sense of entitlement on here and the implications that Ajax in any way 'the bad guy' here are just beyond ridiculous...
Ajax already lost Tagliafico, Mazraoui, Gravenberch, Martinez and Haller this summer who were important players.. Antony has only been at Ajax for 2 years so far and has 3 years left on his contract..
Ajax has every every right to refuse these bids and argue that they have lost enough players this season and dont want to let him go.. Regardless of price... Maybe they just dont care he will maybe be worth a lot less next year, but we just want him to stay to be better in the Champions League... Antony also has to grow up, realize he has a 3 year contract, realize that if he continues his current form there will be other clubs next year, plus he cannot afford to go sulking with the World Cup coming up...
Everyone can argue ofcourse Ajax are playing a risky game, when it comes to the finances involved and/or player unhappiness.. But the sense of entitlement on here and the implications that Ajax in any way 'the bad guy' here are just beyond ridiculous...
Had we acted early we would have got both Martinez& Antony for a Martinez fee +10/20 mil
Just because he has said prices that doesn’t mean they have come from the club. They probably told him that they didn’t want to sell anymore players unless a very high bid comes in, the prices are probably just opinion. I don’t tiink Ajax would go through their squad with a reporter putting prices on them.
I do agree we should have for moved him or moved on earlier. Or if the player was going to kick up a fuse he should have done it earlier.
We bid 70m in June. We didn't leave it late at all.
Mate, with all due respect… very few sane people blame Ajax. You are doing the right thing
People keep saying we met their asking price and then they rejected it asking for more. When did we bid 70m-80m in late June?
Let's not forget that Timber rejected us, they then sold Haller, we bid the quoted price tags €50m for Martinez and €70-80m for Antony, both were rejected.
There's nothing to suggest the price wouldn't have kept rising then though. Every time we've heard how much Ajax apparently want, we've offered it and they've changed the price.
Perhaps you are right to some extent, and I have to admit indeed I react a bit defensively.. Proper mirror you are holding in front of me..
There is no denying though there is some significant resentment/blame towards Ajax from quite some fans in here about Ajax deliberately sqeezing every penny out of United..
Ajax are well within their rights to reject bids.
ManUtd are well within their rights to try sign a player they feel is important and ready to pay premium fee..
Likewise Antony has reasons to be pissed off as he wants to move and according to him he made it clear to the club 6 months ago.
I wouldn't blame anyone, it's just football business.
Plus EtH and MvdG (who they wanted to appoint the next manager)
Exactly
Well but Antony definitely wants to leave. They shouldn't hold against players wish, as they are just sellers club and bought him for very cheap, and can earn big profit by selling him.
This was the price they set for Martinez. The twitter account made a mistake with the 50m price tag in the first tweet. So ajax rejecting our 50m bid made sense.
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And this is were we left it late. We bid 80m for Antony only when the offer was raised from the initial 70-80m
Ten Hag, Overmars.
Martinez, Tagfliafico, Schuurs, Mazraoui, Onana, Gravenberch, Haller.
No one with a firm grasp on reality would be blaming Ajax. Especially not when our window has gone down the same way it has for the past decade. There's just a lot of entitlement and delusion going on around these parts.
Speculating what the fee would have been if we had bid earlier is pointless now. We dithered about once again and didn't. But I doubt it would have made things worse than bidding 7 days before the closing of the window. There is not even enough time to try and construct a deal that would satisfy every side. We either pay a 100M or don't.
I think Ajax wil just upgrade his contract and promise him that he can leave at the end of this season for a much lower fee. So he will stop crying!
Man United can get him for cheap next year. And Antony will tear apart Liverpool in the CL. So in the end a win win for both teams.
Man United can get him for cheap next year. And Antony will tear apart Liverpool in the CL. So in the end a win win for both teams.
I dont think its necessarily a case of 'too late' in terms of time perspective, but I feel the order of events was more signifant.. i.e. Antony price tag going up after Ajax also already lost Martinez who they were wanting to hold on to..
So, with that same logic, why are Manchester United painted as the villans? There's a player United want, he wants to come and we've bid.
Ajax do the same. So, all is fair. Not too sure why United keep getting the negative press?!
Terrible post.
Think they paid over 20 million. Not that cheap and quite a gamble. I agree they should sell, but they owe Antony as much as he owes them.
United arent villans at all.. Ive not said anything like that right? United are just as much in their right to persue the player as Ajax are to deny the offers...
Im not saying there is a bad guy in this scenario.. Could become Antony himself if he choses to sulk and missbehave after the deadline passes and he stayed put..
Yeah, agreed. Ajax and Antony owe each other nothing.
The only negativity is from the fans who want transfers sorted fast.
Where are Man United being painted as villains by the press?
Some people are just surprised and frustrated that Ajax turned down a bid which is way above what anyone thinks we should pay.
Once they calm down most will probably admit that Ajax aren’t doing anything wrong… actually scratch that, it’s the internet, they will probably die on this hill.
If this carries on I'm going to go back to calling them Ay-jacks like I did as a child
That’s a bit reductive seeing as many fans like myself don’t see much method to anything we’re doing in the transfer market or have done for quite a while now.
Not villainy. Just incompetence.
That's fair enough. I apologise if I came across to you that you were painting United in bad light.
I guess I might be replying more to the 'sense of entitlement' comment. I've read it so mamy times in this thread, and it's being used bash United with. People foget, this is the dark arts of football, that we lost many years ago after Fergie went. Sometimes, you have to do it.
But let's also not forget, if Antony wasn't performing, Ajax would have shipped him out. It works bith ways.
What's the source for the Antony rejected bid?
Looking at Romano's tweets, they wanted €80m towards the end of June.
Mid August, tweet from Romano that a bids been rejected (no price mentioned) but even if it was €80m, you could expect the price to have gone up given the time.
Martinez was also of interest to Arsenal and the base fee is not too far off from €50m
Some of these comments are just mind boggling.
How would you feel if PSG or RM came for the a good United player (there isn't one at the moment so use your imagination) without wanting to sell at that price, but the player wants to go. Yes you would be screaming pay up or feck off
How would you feel if PSG or RM came for the a good United player (there isn't one at the moment so use your imagination) without wanting to sell at that price, but the player wants to go. Yes you would be screaming pay up or feck off
But the reason why Ajax is rejecting this bid is because they can't find a replacement which makes sense. The initial 70-80m price tag was two months ago, enough time to find a solid replacement or give them the idea they can find one even if they don't end up with that. I don't believe a bid of the initial price tag would have been rejected
Bad press in regards from the likes of a few psoters in here saying it's a shambles about how late we've left it. Accounts/people online commenting on us pursing a player a club doesn't want to sell, etc.
United have been very incompetent forany years. But just in this case, I'm not too sure what you'd expect United to do?
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