Yet some people are defending it
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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Do you seriously think that’s how this works?he's going to be twice as good as Diaz?
What’s all this ‘xxxx FC’ nonsense about?
I swear the average age of this place keeps dropping.
Embarrassing.
Agreed
Nah, United is just incompetent and dumb
Like who? I'm obviously not as attuned with football as many on here but who else was in for Anthony when Ajax bought him? And especially who else with the range of things they offer ( good league / regular CL/trophies /regular progression to richer clubs including (yes whisper it) even this summer and even the club we're talking about now)?
There's a reason clubs like Ajax and Dortmund and Porto etc tend to get these types of players. It's a mixture of things but the route to first team football, good salary, chance for trophies, CL and an excellent scouting system is actually not that easy to replicate.
Who said Ajax have a sacred right to anyone?
Naw, naw. No need to be agist
I am no spring chicken myself, but pretty sure people of all ages can say juvenile shit. For all we know, he is a 75yo grumpy grandpaAh yes, I forgot about United tax + the Murtough factor.
But the very fundamental point you made is that Haaland only put in a clause with Dortmund because of how tshey'dacted previously letting other talents go.
I responded by saying that he also wanted one work Man Utd and also has one with Man City, to which you're now saying we can only speculate as to why his agents may want to put in a release clause. Seems to be there's only one motivation to put in a release clause for me, regardless of whether they end up exercising it or not.
Edit: Haaland also had a release at Salzburg.
He only started when Raphina had COVID so probably not.
Hes got a point to be fair
Yeah that cloud had it coming
Since when does "who do you support" deserve anything more than a childish response?
I brought up the Haaland point as speculation. I've since learnt that he's done it from the jump, back even in his RB Salzburg days. But then Raiola has always looked after his clients.
That doesn't change the point I was making, though: a young player, looking to manage his career, would be well-advised to insist on one in his first contract. That does away with gentleman's agreements, but potentially leaves the selling club at a disadvantage if the player's market price at time of activation is above the clause value. This is what Ajax are opening themselves up to.
All the Haaland stuff is irrelevant, and I probably shouldn't have even run with it.
how does he have a point? I vent frustration at the fee increasing even though Antony is doing more and more to force a move. The reason said fee is increasing is down to our utter incompetence and leaving this so late. By continuing to increase our offer, we just reinforce our biggest flaws over the previous/last few transfer windows. We put unwarranted pressure on "prospect" signings, we signal to other clubs that holding out can almost guarantee a doubling of transfer fees, we now make the player impossible to sell if he fails (adding to the loan/run contract down list) and all of that is met with "who do you support". And the only thing that rustles @TheReligion is that i respond to BS posts with BS.
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Modric was one of the best midfielders in one of the best leagues in the world and even at the time everyone considered the fee that he went for to Real as a great deal. He threw a fit in 2011? 10 months later he was sold and he was coveted by many teams at the time.
Rooney as you said put in a transfer request for another reason compared to Antony altogether.
Tevez demanded a move at the end of 2010. He was brought in for British record for around 50m from memories. The next season he played like 15 games because he was suspended for his acting up against Bayern. 2012 sold to Juve for 10m or something?
Ndombele handed in two transfer request from memories. How is it going with once your record transfer nowadays?
Di Maria wanted out of United and his form dropped off a cliff as soon as that happened.
Now to the point. Antony is by far not a finished article like Kane, Modric or all of your examples. He's someone that can easily go Neres route that was sold for 15m EUR in a year time, because his form dips, doesn't want to play is a trouble in the dressing room or gets injured.
Ajax don't generate crazy amount of money playing in the Eredivisie, they are a selling club and it is what it is. Of course they are ran well and generate a profit, but it's not that easy to replace players that are hits (Antony for example) and they usually receive a lot more than they spend. Missing out on cashing in on a potential 100m asset is a very risky business considering also they are in rebuild phase this year - lost ETH along with many key players and they are far from dominant side winning the league 3 times since 2015.
So far they have started well, but this can also blow in their face pretty fast - Antony is their best player currently and clearly not happy. His value will decrease. His form might dip or play for himself or don't want to play at all. Come next year they might be without CL football (as Feyenord and PSV will probably also finish strong), without 100m offer on him to bank on with an unrest in the dressing room.
If we're talking about WC. Rafinha guaranteed a La liga transfer where he will start at the highest stage and if Antony doesn't get a transfer how will his chances improve at Ajax even if he forgets the transfer request and play well?
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Great, during COVID.
Glad to see the board backing ETH... But this needed to be made sooner, a player like Antony will take time to get accostumed to a new team and league. I hope he takes little time to adapt, but would have been awesome for him to be part of the team at preseason.
Figure of speech. What I mean is they can’t take it for granted. Ajax have plenty going for them of course but this is not a good look. I have no idea who was in for Antony but he didn’t come from nowhere he was a known player at a big Brazilian club.
only mufc can put in a 90m+ bid for a player on strike and get it rejected. And now after the player has spat in the face of said club in a public interview.....we are going to have to bid even more, likely go over 100m to get this done
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Why do we necessarily have to bid more?
It's ridiculous that we are offering anything near what we've supposed to have bid...probably double what the player is worth.
A line needs to be drawn under this.
Lower the offer with a take it or leave bid and be perfectly prepared to walk away.
Do Ajax want to be left with an unhappy player, they could of cashed in on?
If we offer an even higher figure, other clubs will continue to pull our pants down and will ramp up the stakes even higher in future transfer windows.
In 2019 it was 200m Euro.
Either way, it’s a hell of a lot of money for a club of Ajax’s revenue to forego.
They have their own plans but these players like Antony - as he literally said - sign for them on the basis of it being a 2 year plan and then moving on. If Ajax then start blocking their moves, the next Antony will simply go to RB Leipzig or Dortmund or wherever else. That's ultimately what the problem is. Ajax boosted their stature so much the past 5 years partly because of their model of moving players on for fair prices when they want to leave, and the wheel turns for them. Them blocking Antony now goes against that, and will tell future prospects to either ensure a much more affordable release clause, or just pick elsewhere.
Let's not get overboard here.
Ajax got the following players from SA in the last 15 years:
Lisandro Magallán - utter failure
Darío Cvitanich - a little less of a failure, but failure none the less.
Nicolás Lodeiro - shite
David Neres - hit, but yet sold for very little of a resale value and on a loss
Mateo Cassierra - shite
Davinson Sánchez - hit
Luis Orejuela - shite
Nicolás Tagliafico - hit, sold for a little of a resale value.
Lisandro Martínez - hit - big resale value.
Antony was brought in for close to 16m EUR which in terms of value was one of the highest fee paid by Ajax in the last 20 years on a player.
Looking at the list they had probably 1/3 of those brought in from SA that are a hit and Sanchez and Martinez brought in a substantial resale value in the last 15 years.
One of the reason Martinez brought it is because ETH became our manager as I don't see anyone but United paying that kind of money for him this window (not necessarily meaning he is a bad business).
Arsenal were into him supposedly before moving to Ajax:
http://www.thehardtackle.com/news/2...nal-ajax-tracking-sao-paulo-youngster-antony/
So yeah considering the hit rate and if Ajax decide to prove a point by benching him/sending him to the reserves there's a good chance a flair player that also will attract offers from other European clubs, to pass on that Ajax option in the future.
Whilst Antony is on a three year contract he holds the cards more than Ajax as killing a 80-90m profit is something not a sane business person would do to prove a point.
The cynic in me says there's a possibility that Antony has to make it look like Ajax had no choice after their hard stance, and they've requested him to go public. Otherwise it's a pretty suicidal move by him, as they may legitimately be taking the stance that they just will not sell, no matter what.
So many people say this and dont realise how wrong they are. If he signed a 2 year contract he would be going for free so he actually does Ajax a favour by signing a contract and saying I only want to be here 2 years and you let me go when a high bid comes in. Ajax get to use him and build him for 2 years and in return get a huge profit. Should be a win win…
Victor Meldrew FC sounds like a rubbish team!
He could be suffering from being near the back of the queue for the exit door.
The more players that leave, that little bit harder it makes it for the next one.
Also with every sale Ajax’s accounts get fatter and fatter…making the need for more sales less and less.
The more players that leave, that little bit harder it makes it for the next one.
Also with every sale Ajax’s accounts get fatter and fatter…making the need for more sales less and less.
Very good point, with Raphina playing in La Liga, I do not see Antony getting a starting spot at the WC unless he moves to a stronger League, no matter how well he plays. I can see this year being a disaster for him and Ajax if the move does not materialize.
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United are still an absolute shambles at transfers, we may have new guys doing it but it's still the same old shitshow and ETH is getting a front show seat to it .
I can't see any other reason for 10 years of transfer blunders than the owners who are pulling the strings and using the puppets employed by them to front it .
Antony for anywhere near 90 million is a laugh as is Casemiro for 60 million.. They have learnt nothing from their Maguire and AWB dealings and anyone who doesn't learn from their mistakes should be labelled an idiot and that's what we have running our club..
I can't see any other reason for 10 years of transfer blunders than the owners who are pulling the strings and using the puppets employed by them to front it .
Antony for anywhere near 90 million is a laugh as is Casemiro for 60 million.. They have learnt nothing from their Maguire and AWB dealings and anyone who doesn't learn from their mistakes should be labelled an idiot and that's what we have running our club..
Agreed, but Ajax doesn't want it or need it.
They've already spent circa 100m EUR this window alone. The year after they sold FdJ and De Ligt among others(generating 150m net profit from sales) they went on to sell DvB, Ziyech and Serginho for 100m. There isn't really a correlation and they can't keep long their star players if a big offer comes.
Honestly this. fecking idiots wasted 3 whole months doing feck all. Joyriding across Europe looking like utter fools without anything to show for it.
at least we got 3 deals done. Not like we should have expected anything in year 1 after what we saw with Woodward and Moyes.
Exactly.
Yeah painted themselves no better than Woody
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