Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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Probably 20m too much but if de Jong is really out of reach, it's a gamble worth taking.
We're a few players short of where I think we should be in this window, but I'd never have imagined that we could sign casemiro and snap up a gem of a full back.
We're a few players short of where I think we should be in this window, but I'd never have imagined that we could sign casemiro and snap up a gem of a full back.
What do you believe the potential of the player to be?
Also Gordon is a right footed left winger, and not a left footed right winger that we actually need.Antony is better than Gordon and has a higher ceiling. Antony also knows ETH's tactical style and would get on board with it much quicker. £20M more for Antony over Gordon is a no brainer.
You’ve caught a few with that
Aww i was hoping for something more fun!
Learned somethhing new today atleast then
I have one joke that is funny every leap year, guess we have to wait 4 years for my next funny joke then!
Still see a RB coming in IF AWB goes but then pretty sure that will be until summer 23
Only should do that for one player
I wonder if the club will explore signing him and loaning him back for the season
Makes sense
Makes sense
Doubt it, Ten Hag has spoken a few times of needing quality in numbers in this world cup season
And then what? Say he has an incredible season. What’s to say he’s not more expensive next year or we face competition?
If there’s a player our boss believes in this much we should support him. His judgment seems pretty good to me so far.
Will add the next time
.It boils down to whether you trust eth or not.
I think we have to seeing as he is probably our most promising manager since fergie.
Eth will be aware what the budget is, what paying for Antony will preclude him from doing. If he still wants him despite the exorbitant price then we do it.
On that basis just pony up for him.
I think we have to seeing as he is probably our most promising manager since fergie.
Eth will be aware what the budget is, what paying for Antony will preclude him from doing. If he still wants him despite the exorbitant price then we do it.
On that basis just pony up for him.
For me his ceiling is somewhere between di Maria and Robben, I think he doesn't lack any attributes or talent to make it there.
But it just isn't that easy, he will have to get used to the league, continue to work hard and have the right mentality. I think he does though, and would love to continue working with EtH.
Strange question but can he do step overs? Barely seen any in the highlights which would be odd given how skillful he js
Do you think he’ll add the end product?
Hernandez was too expensive yes. But he was also a lot more proven than Antony.
How about that much more proven Coutinho who replaced Neymar at Barcelona, how did that transfer work out?
Or a Freddo at 0.49p
His end product is already fine, it is very annoying to keep seeing the comments. Whether Eredivisie, CL, or the KNVB Beker or Brazil, if you calculate his goals / assists for 90 minutes, they are fine for a winger (not wide forward). It is not out of this world, but he's really an inverted winger that keeps width and from then on has to score from outside of the box, or the edge of the box or create. In the Eredivisie, for every 3 full matches that he plays, he would have about 2 g/a, that is pretty good for a winger.
It was very weird that he only got 4 assists though, a lot of missed chances it seems because he literally got 4 assists in the CL group stage. I remember it being very weird for the commentators and also on a forum when he assisted and it was like his 2nd assist of the season. The guy creates enough chances.
This is all excluding set-pieces and playing in a team where you are not THE MAN. You share the responsibility with Tadic, Haller, Berghuis/Klaassen. Steven Berghuis had very good numbers for Feyenoord, it dropped a lot when he came to Ajax. Not because he's gotten worse, but you will just share the goals amongst one another.
But ofcourse, very few players come to the Prem and then increase in productivity, so I get that worry. However the main thing with Antony is, that he improves the entire team when he plays. He works very hard, has a lot of intensity in both offense and defense. Fullbacks hate playing against him, he creates space for himself and others, and even if that doesn't result in a direct goal/assist, in his position, he makes the team more likely to score and less likely to concede. And that's what it is all about really.
The unfortunate thing is, that you only get insight of such things when you work at professional football clubs. In stats such as the expected Possession Value that a player adds.
Strange comparison. But it highlights the problem: Coutinho was so expensive because Neymar reset the market. Should United really pay close to €100m for Antony then a lot of wingers from second rate leagues with potential just got 20m more expensive.
Right, so I've watched 2/3 of a YouTube video.
We shall sign this boy, has my blessing. I'm going on blind faith that we are in his destiny and he can make the step up. He is a bums off seat player, perfect for us
We shall sign this boy, has my blessing. I'm going on blind faith that we are in his destiny and he can make the step up. He is a bums off seat player, perfect for us
No offence intended to you, but Robben is an all-time great player, and one of the players of his generation, so I don’t know if you mean you rate Antony to have that kind of potential, or if you’re underrating your [assumed] countryman? But, either way, bracketing between he and Di Maria tells me you think this kid has what it takes to be something special.
Your whole post is encouraging; at least you don’t think he’s someone who doesn’t have it in him to be a top player.
So what add the add ons supposed to be ? some crazy balloon door clause, bbc sports personality of the year ?
Could he add a lot more goals? I just think
Given the fee it will always be a discussion if he doesn’t score or add more assists. Whether that’s fair or not.
I like what I see from him but would like to see a bit more end product, although you have said the assists were a bit of a strange one.
Him and Sancho on the wings
To step away from his proposed transfer fee and if its worth that or not...
I do like the player, he's skillful, quick and has a wicked left foot. Always impressed with the width he keep too, especially for a left footed right winger. I hope we sign, he's exciting to watch and we've missed that for a long time.
I do like the player, he's skillful, quick and has a wicked left foot. Always impressed with the width he keep too, especially for a left footed right winger. I hope we sign, he's exciting to watch and we've missed that for a long time.
100 %, Robben is one of my favourite players and I think he was about the best player in the world around 2014. But that would be Antony's ceiling, which most players don't really reach. I'd say Leroy Sane would also have that ceiling, "ability - wise", and he's much closer to it than Antony currently, but things haven't come together for him quite as much to be anywhere in the same bracket.
What Sane was doing at about 20 years of age of City was insane, he has no real weakness ability wise. But injuries, falling out of favor, has really hampered his progression and the same kind of things could happen to Antony, who isn't even where Leroy Sane was when he was at City.
But I do think Antony has it in him to be a world class winger one-day, personally, something there are few of.
Its the comparison I made too. Talent wise, the way he plays, technique and raw attributes etc. There's always a question of how he develops and how he adapts at the highest level, but the potential is there for him to be a world class player.
I didn't really read this. I just saw the words Antony and Robben, and now I want him even more.
Who needs step overs when you can do Antourny.
That’s nice to read. All I’m seeing is people trouncing the price and talking in base terms about goals and assists rather than about the player. I have my own views On him, but it’s nice to read what others perceive him to be.
From what I see, not a crazy amount of goals. I wish, I had the statistics but he doesn't easily get in easy goalscoring position in his role at Ajax. Statistics like his npxG would give us an indication but I feel like the goals he does scores, are very good and difficult goals. It is very often the Robben goal, where he has to create the situation himself, pick the ball up from the right side, dribble to the inside and shoot in the far corner. This is not a high probability goal, but he does manage to get quite a lot of these, and he's getting them more and more.
He's not a wide forward that spends most of his time central, but rather links up very well with the overlapping full back, creates for runners coming from the left and the middle with his dribbling and crossing. The difference when he got injured was huge for Ajax, he really makes the entire team better.
I think he will just have to model his game after Robben, which is incredibly difficult. We all knew what he'd do, but he had the speed and technique to keep doing it.
I see Robben and I generally think it’s dooming the player (whoever it is to failure), but it’s interesting to see his name bandied about by two people independent of each other now.
I wonder if the question was framed: ‘would people be open to a player with the potential to be bracketed with the likes of Robben: is the fee still ergregious?’ What the responses would be.
Will say it again, rather him for 80m, than Gakpo for 40m. We need some entertainment and flair
Robben was a brilliant player and fuking hard as shit to play against simply b/c his shiftiness and ability to glue the ball to his left foot....could take you on the right but one shoulder drop and he was inside curling the shot to the far post
Antony isn't at that level yet but he has that potential and plays quite a similar style but i would say with a bit more joga bonito to his flair
Antony isn't at that level yet but he has that potential and plays quite a similar style but i would say with a bit more joga bonito to his flair
Interesting you mention Robben, I find his play style quite similar!
Cheers, will be exciting to watch him play for us. I am sure this transfer is happening.
One of those players where a defender knows exactly what they’re going to do, cut in on their left and shoot, but they just always manage to do it
Yes, Robben really mastered that position to a degree I haven't seen anyone do (bar Messi ofcourse). Out of the world that guy and not just in talent, his leadership and mentality was also second-to-none. Amazing player and a huge legend.
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