If the player is refusing to train and you're being offered obscene money you take it. We'll offer slightly more and he'll be here next week I reckon.
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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Headline figures no but in terms of what he offers to build up and getting Ajax into the box he’s a really good young player. He absolutely has the quality to beat his man and provide a cut back or a box finish (he’s no Robben yet but it’s there somewhere).
I’ve said it many times before I can’t name you a better suited AVAILABLE left footed RW for Manchester United right now and so far nobody has convinced me Neto or such like are worth pursuing.
More than anything I trust Ten Hag knows what to do with him. I’m a United fan but also follow AZ Alkmaar so follow the Dutch league really closely and Antony is a hugely promising player who is really fun to watch too. Even if it doesn’t work out he’ll absolutely bring some quality moments and get bums off seats at Old Trafford in a way none of our other attackers can.
Hes not world class but he absolutely has shown the right quality to some day possibly get there. The fact he’s also already involved in the Brazilian National team who I think it’s fair to say have good wing options shows you he’s talented.
Van Dijk, did it at Southampton
I'd really like to see Anthony in a United shirt, and I think he'd make us a better team, so I won't start giving a damn about the price until I'm responsible for balancing the books
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Yes but the sample size of him doing so is small.
Personally think it’s a very good signing exactly because he can be a LW/CF option.
This post definitely sums it up nicely
Flanagan?
I could accept this point if buying untested players from the PL was safer but it's not. For every Memphis, you have a Ings or a Bony.
Your worry isn't and shouldn't be based on a league but on the fact that a very large amount of transfer don't work and players that are expected to make a step up, can't.
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Antony needs to protest harder, because we shouldn’t put anything more on the table.
Only gripe with this signing whatsoever is it affecting a deal with FDJ IF he sorted out deferred wages suddenly and decided to leave late on
Agree. If someone tells me “it’s player A or player B, we can’t afford both” then that is an issue but I definitely think arguments about exactly how much a player is “worth”, and the figure at which “madness” kicks in, are a waste of time and someone else’s problem.
My biggest worry is how I think Rashford would look in the Eredivisie, and would I want Utd to spend 80mil on Rashford?
You make 100% valid points. Can’t disagree with any of them. But your points also show why we shouldn’t be paying 100M for him. 100M says bona fide world class. Consistent national team starter, a few years of top level play. He hasn’t showed that yet. He absolutely may get there one day, and thats exactly why the price should be reflective of that. Its simple economics.
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This.
Simplifying likelihood of failure down to league is silly.
Look at the overall profile of the player and the function you’d need filling in the team before you write anyone off or declare anyone “right” for the club.
Model pro Harry Kane did it at Spurs. Mane did it at Salzburg before he got his move to Southampton. Definitely happens a lot
I read somewhere (probably here) that the offer we made was structured in a way where we pay them the money over several years..
If that is the case, I can see why it would be rejected.. If we want him at 80m euros, then maybe improve the structure.. or pay more if its to be spread out that much.
If that is the case, I can see why it would be rejected.. If we want him at 80m euros, then maybe improve the structure.. or pay more if its to be spread out that much.
If FDJ suddenly became available, EtH is getting his man, there's no doubt about that.
Well if we weren't sure if he's willing to kick up a fuss to make it happen certainly got our answer
This kind of behaviour by Antony is hardly acceptable. What happens if Real comes in with an offer next year and he does the same to us?
Rashford wouldn't be all that special for Ajax
I’m not convinced.
You worry about it IF it happens
I'm not worried about it happening, it's his attitude
Every update points to this I think.
Antony and Gakpo, and then hopefully either a rb, cm or gk (preferably all).
Which is normal. Clubs rarely pay transfers upfront.
I'm glad you're not in charge of our transfers
Yeah.. not all up front.. but I remember someone saying it was over 8 years, which sounds a bit extreme.
That's likely nonsense. At the most it would be 3 to 4 years more likely 2 to 3.
This is a guy that can be a difference maker.
You think he is worse than those in charge of transfers?
It's hard to be worse, even for amateurs.
You think he is worse than those in charge of transfers?
It's hard to be worse, even for amateurs.No doubts on his quality whatsoever.
Get him for 80m and sell Rashford to psg for 60m - good business
Spot on. At the moment, Antony is more like a Circus artist then a football player. If you want a player that performs 10 times per year, buy him, if you want world class consistancy; don’t.
Anthony is talented but he won’t make United better right away. Maybe he will play a few good matches once in a while, but do we want to pay 100 mln for that?
Ajax is laughing their balls out. First we pay them 56 mln for a mediocre central defender, and now we’re offering big money for a Brazilian Diva (i don’t read it very much in this forum, but Anthony has a Neymar-like diving style. I wonder how Premier league defenders will handle that…)
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Firstly we will not pay €100m or £100m for him. The highest reported bid is around £67m which is exactly where I think he would be priced at given conditions I’ll now outline.
Apologies if this comes across patronising as I promise this is not the intention but let’s simplify this down to the most basic economic conditions of supply and demand.
There is very little supply of left footed RW players on a very good level with either potential or proven ability. So short supply is a factor.
There are absolutely no available world class RW on the market and if they were suddenly why would they join a Europa league side and lose CL football and title chances?
Let’s be real here Mo Salah is probably the only player now who isn’t any kind of risk were you to transfer him to a PL side at RW as a signing (and I’d happily welcome suggestions for alternatives).
Now let’s look into those few available players that are well below that level but could get there you have the following:
- Raphinha (who only wanted to move to Barcelona)
- Antony
So our possibly supply of the required level is possibly 2/3 players (and we’ve already tried the young unproven route via Amad and Pellestri which hasn’t worked out as hoped).
Now let’s look at the demand side. United are bottom of the league, we have lost our most promising left footed attacker because of him being a vile piece of work and we’ve got a new manager wanting to implement a different style to the previous 3/4. So we need attackers who suit a new system who are a RW and left footed. I could give you zero guarantees that Raphinha could work with Ten Hag and I could give you many that Anton
We don’t have a left footed academy player coming through at RW that is really pushing for first team involvement we really desperately need a left footed RW we are incredibly limited as to our attacking options without one as it means we have to push Sancho into a purely creative role with no good alternative. I like Elanga but his game is too limited to be a long term success.
Now let’s look a the cost of not bringing him in. We go into the season with:
Sancho, Rashford, Elanga, Garnacho as wingers. Martial and Ronaldo are not nor is Eriksen or Bruno. Does anyone here seriously think that’s enough to get top 4? Let’s be really if we don’t add quality in our forward line we’ll once again be looking Europa at best.
So given all of the above do I think £67m while expensive is a fair price. Yes.
Because there is no one currently on the market better suited to fulfill our needs.
- He plays way too risky and might get injured occasionally in PL
- Bad decisions at RW
- Better decisions at LW
- Shoot at people a lot
- Miss a bar a lot
- Fast enough
- Very good at dribbling
- Better passer than McTominay
- Better crosser than Dalot
- Good in tight spaces
- Not a world beater
- Slightly better than the current Rashford
- I prefer Sancho
- Talentwise, I prefer Garnacho
Moyes' daughter would approve!
Then sell him for $200 and move on. Simple.
Rashford is crazy overrated on here. Ten Haag isn't crazy to be wanting to spend so much on an option when he sees Rashford play day in day out.
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