Damn. This is legit? I read on Rawk that players basically play for free for Liverpool
Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.
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Expensive signings in general, with our flops vs other clubs' flops. I assume that's what you guys were talking about.
60 on Martinez and 100 on this guy.
Ajax have rinsed us this window
Ajax have rinsed us this window
Gakpo sounds like a moderately powerful Pokémon.
Can they really ever get more than 80m for this guy? Even an established PL player, Brazil starter like Raphinha went for 65m.
I prefer Fergie’s James Joyce Scottish translations, Mourinho’s Houllebeck versions, Mata’s renditions of Garcia Llorca for young persons, Ole doing Norwegian fairytales (Espen Askeladden), and Eric Le Roi being Le Roi (Baudelaire eat your hert out).
The point was about the idea that we are special in making that type of signing because we can't wait, no top club just wait on a 18 years old to grow otherwise you will have to explain transfers like Lemar, Felix, Pépé, Dembélé, Havertz or Grealish. And here I limited it to attacking midfielders in a similar age range and very expensive.
The only clubs that routinely wait for talent to develop are clubs that are below elite level and don't have as much money, the rest spend big on youngish talent.
Well done, you are true man of culture.
Well done, you are true man of culture.
Bluffmaker’s guide. But I do love Baudelaire’s prose poems.
No, unlikely. But the real value of keeping him would be to win the league and playing in the CL the year after. Right now we still only have one direct CL spot so 2nd place could miss out. And no we won't walk the league even with Antony. Season after most likely we have two direct CL spots which obviously matters a ton.
Also getting out of the group stage means a lot of income. And with Antony our chances of this will just improve a lot and is worth a lot.
Also Sao Paulo get 20% of profit.
So even though his sale value will most likely drop, his overall value might be worth it by keeping him.
So the decision between keeping him for another season or selling him now for 80m is not a no brainer decision.
Also we love to watch him play, and it is fun watching your team play good football.
I am really indifferent. The prices quoted can't really not sell him for that amount but also really love it to see him one more year and then move on.
Of course worst case scenario is injuries but that is a risk worth taking.
Him going on strike seems pointless anyway. He has a long contract left and he would jeopardize his world cup spot by not playing now so that wouldn't really benefit him.
No. The point was about this offer being somehow due to United being unable to grow talent themselves. The idea makes no sense when pretty much all wealthy clubs sign that type of players for that type of fees. Clubs try to develop players like Garnacho and also bring expensive talents from other clubs.
I don't care if we overpay because, feck the Glazers really, I'm only worried about 2 things:
- Expensive signings are under much more pressure to perform and we've seen this time and time again. Nobody cares about a 30m Anthony taking his time, but an 80m Anthony would need to hit the ground running or be labeled a flop, We've seen this already with Grealish and Nunez, hell, knives are already out for Haaland for his number of passes in his 3rd game.
- I'm worried that this would drive clubs to inflate prices even more for us.
Yeah at this point I'm cheering for them to be as financially irresponsible as Barca, because either we get successful or they sell as a result.
Glazers dont pay out of their pockets. Transfer spending, going way up or way down, does not affect the money Glazers pull out of the club, year after year.
Darwinesque!
What it does affect I guess is any improvement to OT or Carrington. Wouldn’t be surprised if that gets shelved.
It affects the value of the asset.
Just to make it clear, the numbers obviously include all wages:
From Man Utd 2021 financial report:
From Liverpool 2021 financial report:
From Liverpool 2019 financial report:
From Man City 2021 financial report:
From Man City 2019 financial report (2019 and 2018 numbers):
So, yeah, don't believe the tabloids and bullshit sites like Spotrac.
From Man Utd 2021 financial report:
From Liverpool 2021 financial report:
From Liverpool 2019 financial report:
From Man City 2021 financial report:
From Man City 2019 financial report (2019 and 2018 numbers):
So, yeah, don't believe the tabloids and bullshit sites like Spotrac.
Kudos is close to moving to Everton, so that makes it what…7..8 departures this summer?
Easy to see why they’d refuse big money for Antony, their squad is getting torn apart.
Easy to see why they’d refuse big money for Antony, their squad is getting torn apart.
Of course we can. The fact that we haven't is down to the ineptitude at the top of the club.Where have you been this window we can't buy anyone
We not the money men, so if they can afford this signing, what the bottomless pit got to do with it.
We moan when they don't spend, and moan when they do spend.
Near sure we are bringing in a right back too. Unless you seen the purse strings and know something we don't
I don't believe everything I read on the Internet, the media are full of shit and use our name for clicks constantly.
Time to throw some chairs around Antony andcome join the new Brazilian United Revolution!
Come join Casemiro. You know you want too.
Any regular watchers of the Dutch league wanna give a breakdown of Antony vs Gakpo?
Do we want both Antony and Gakpo or is Gakpo the alternative to Antony? Frankly I think we could use another player on each wing.
Can he evolve into Gakpro?
Oh no...
Just a stats comparison between the two since many in here seem to think Gakpo is crap (probably mostly owing to his performance against Monaco)
Getting PES Man reds flashbacks with some of these player names
I'm a bit biassed as an Ajax fan.
But a lot of people in the Netherland think Gakpo is just overrated.
He's already 23, but never really showed anything on international level.
He was also shit against Monaco and Rangers last week.
He isn't good enough for the top 6 in the PL. Would be a good player for Leicester or West Ham though!
P.S. I also think Antony is a little bit overrated. He's great. But not 80 mil great.
He has the potential to become world class in 1 or 2 seasons. But he isn't there yet.
Not a regular watcher. But my impression is...
Antony:
- Left footed, right winger
- Plays very wide, modern day all round winger
- Very agile
- Bit frail but low center of gravity
- Very good acceleration
- Plays with flair
- Robben type potential with his play style and talent
- Very good close control, very technical, good cross/shot
- Hard worker but seems also needs to learn when not to commit
- Probably would get pushed around a bit until he got used to the Prem
- Likes to front up defenders and dribble a lot, but can also link well with players around him
- Bit like Memphis, plays on the left but is a wide forward
- Right footed
- Not too agile, but is big and strong. Bit clunky overall
- Could see him struggle to adapt to the Prem with his lack of agility
- Dribbling and close control pretty average
- Average at best creativity
- Very powerful shot
- Good finisher
- Good movement coming in from the left to get in behind the defenders for a through ball, but won't dribble past them really
- Works hard as well, but as a forward more than as a winger who can press aggressively
- Won player of the year, could develop as a striker but doesn't seem to have the hold up play
- Not elite potential
Ajax Board Room: Oh no, not €80m Euros we couldn't possibly accept such a low offer...
Hey Murtough could you hold a minute bro?
Dialing noises...
Ajax Board Room: Hey Ziyech are you interested in coming for €10m? Got United on the phone again... really going to pay this time. VdB, Martinéz, think we can fleece them another €100m.
Ziyech: Yeah sure no problem, not getting games at Chelsea anyway.
Ajax Board Room: Hey Murtough are you there? we need €100m we really can't get anyone this late in the window and it's not like we will walk the league anyway. We are serious about getting to the final of the CL this year.
We already did you a great deal on Martinez you did us over on that one.
Gakpo > Antony in a vacuum. But of course Antony plays off the right and Gakpo off the left.
Antony's goal tally is a bit misleading because he often did stay out wide so other players could join the attack more centrally (like Mazraoui).
Going by the 21-22 season Antony shows up sometimes, Gakpo pretty much consistently including in Europe.
I don't think you're going to get a lot of objective opinions. Most Ajax fans on here thought Donny was the best thing since sliced bread and some are still in denial.
What do we think?
Will he play for Ajax this weekend?
Can imagine this will blow up if he doesn’t
Will he play for Ajax this weekend?
Can imagine this will blow up if he doesn’t
Stats aren't everything. Depay had great stats in the Dutch league, yet always looked mediocre whenever I watched him. Gakpo is the same, and Antony is the opposite: Not consistent enough yet, but his potential is undeniable.
We paid £80m for Harry Maguire. Honestly, at that point, all bets were off on United’s transfer fees. With that as the benchmark, how can you possibly justify any low or high fees for players? It’s all out the window.
Antony clearly has more potential so he costs more. The price is too much but we're that desperate..
I don't think that's really fair without also criticising Antony's lack of creativity. Gakpo got 13 assists last season, only behind Tadic's 19 in the Eredivisie and far more than Antony's 4 assists. Personally think Gakpo is a lot better than he gets credit for on here and Antony is definitely overrated by many. It's fair to say you think Antony's better and is maybe the more natural dribbler of the two, but I personally don't see any sort of huge gap between them. I doubt either will come in and have a massive impact at PL level personally (not immediately at least).
Pogba also big fee but showed up twice a season
The transfer revolution is beginning! Come on Antony keep pushing this
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