[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Do we have the luxury to expect such an expensive player to only show his true form/ceiling in a couple of seasons' time?

Of course not. But hey apparently it’s impossible to make accurate assessments of a player before giving them 2 and a half full fecking seasons before thinking that they aren’t good enough.

 

[DJ_21]

Need a lot more from him next season. His goals and assist should rise once we get in a proper striker.

 

[Telsim]

Antony was clean through but just slightly right of center and he couldn’t resist the temptation to slow down to shape to his left. Glorious chance botched without a shot.

Reminded me of this:



30-year-old Robben skinning Ramos and making a fool out of him and Casillas on the biggest stage.

Incoming "Antony is just 23, this, that, and the other". No matter how hard I look I cannot see Antony being anywhere close to this in his career.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Grealish literally took a season to get going and he came from the same league.

Grealish also showed he had qualities to be an elite creative winger in the league before they even signed him. His take on stats and chance creation were off the charts even at Villa.

Antony didn’t even in the Dutch league

 

[Oly Francis]

WTF are you on about?

I hope that post wasn't too difficult to understand. Can always take chapgpt help.

Wow, are you ok buddy? Curb your aggressivity.

It's pretty obvious to anyone that know about transfers that coaches have secondary roles in most transfers of well known players like Casemiro, it's something that is discussed months prior betweet the club and several layers of agents. ETH didn't get Casemiro right, he wasn't the decider.

Licha is obviously his request thought and he did nail that one.

 

[andersj]

Grealish also showed he had qualities to be an elite creative winger in the league before they even signed him. His take on stats and chance creation were off the charts even at Villa.

Antony didn’t even in the Dutch league

I agree that Grealish was a lot better in his first full season in the PL than Antony. But Grealish played in the Championship at 23 and was well accustomed to Villa, and his team to him, when Villa was promoted. He is also english and did not recently move to a new country.

A player that was not much bettet than Antony in his first season in the PL is Mahrez. Mahrez was 25 that season and had been in the PL for some time (played in the Championship at 24).

Those are the players most comparable to Antony. Not Robben who was very different and probably more comparable to someone like Garnacho.

 

[roonster09]

Wow, are you ok buddy? Curb your aggressivity.

It's pretty obvious to anyone that know about transfers that coaches have secondary roles in most transfers of well known players like Casemiro, it's something that is discussed months prior betweet the club and several layers of agents. ETH didn't get Casemiro right, he wasn't the decider.

Licha is obviously his request thought and he did nail that one.

EtH is the decider, he is the one who decides whether to proceed with the transfer, he isn't the one who identifies the targets, he is the one who will have major say on whether the player should be signed or not. That's how it is at ManUtd where manager plays bigger role in transfers.

 

[Oly Francis]

EtH is the decider, he is the one who decides whether to proceed with the transfer, he isn't the one who identifies the targets, he is the one who will have major say on whether the player should be signed or not. That's how it is at ManUtd where manager plays bigger role in transfers.

Oh yeah, right, I'm sure that's how it works, he didn't identify Licha and Antony and United just randomly bought 2 Ajax players the very year he arrived at the club. Clubs love to pretend their transfers are well oiled and follow a specific process, it rarely is the case. Sometimes clubs present players to coaches when it's already a done deal (who would have refused Casemiro anyway), sometimes coaches insist to get a specific players, it's actually often both. Casemiro was already a done deal months before it was announced, and the talks probably started months before that. The board nailed that one.

 

[roonster09]

Oh yeah, right, I'm sure that's how it works, he didn't identify Licha and Antony and United just randomly bought 2 Ajax players the very year he arrived at the club. Clubs love to pretend their transfers are well oiled and follow a specific process, it rarely is the case. Sometimes clubs present players to coaches when it's already a done deal (who would have refused Casemiro anyway), sometimes coaches insist to get a specific players, it's actually often both. Casemiro was already a done deal months before it was announced, and the talks probably started months before that. The board nailed that one.

You spoke about Casemiro, ofcourse he recommended players he worked with, when FdJ didn't work out, it wasn't EtH who identifies back up options. He is the one who decides whether to proceed with the target.

Your mistake is to assume every club just dumps players on coaches without them having any power. That's why I said, use chatgpt.

We tried to sign entire Ajax team and the players who had Dutch passport, that should give you enough idea on how bigger role ManUtd manager plays in transfers.

 

[Oly Francis]

You spoke about Casemiro, ofcourse he recommended players he worked with, when FdJ didn't work out, it wasn't EtH who identifies back up options. He is the one who decides whether to proceed with the target.

Can you tell me the difference between "identifying a target" (the thing he's not supposed to do) and "recommanding a player" (the thing he did according to you).

Also, considering the amount of money United spent for Antony, it's obvious he not only recommanded him but pushed for his transfer. Hard.

Again, the process you describe is totally theoritcal, in reality it rarely happens that way. Now you can always say that Ten Hag could have refused Casemiro's transfer but come on, considering the team that was in place no coach on earth would have refused such a player.

So basically you guys are trying to give ETH credit for not refusing Casemiro's transfer that was already agreed upon between the player and the board. You'll admit that it's a bit absurd.

 

[roonster09]

Can you tell me the difference between "identifying a target" (the thing he's not supposed to do) and "recommanding a player" (the thing he did according to you).

Also, considering the amount of money United spent for Antony, it's obvious he not only recommanded him but pushed for his transfer. Hard.

Again, the process you describe is totally theoritcal, in reality it rarely happens that way. Now you can always say that Ten Hag could have refused Casemiro's transfer but come on, considering the team that was in place no coach on earth would have refused such a player.

So basically you guys are trying to give ETH credit for not refusing Casemiro's transfer that was already agreed upon between the player and the board. You'll admit that it's a bit absurd.

The initial point was about Casemiro, I said he didn't identify him.

Also board doesn't randomly talk to players, agree deal and goes to manager with "surprise here is your package". They are all a team who work together with coach deciding whether he wants the player or not.

Not sure how it works at PSG but at ManUtd this is how it works.

 

[Oly Francis]

The initial point was about Casemiro, I said he didn't identify him.

Also board doesn't randomly talk to players, agree deal and goes to manager with "surprise here is your package". They are all a team who work together with coach deciding whether he wants the player or not.

Not sure how it works at PSG but at ManUtd this is how it works.

Come on mate, don't be naive.

https://www.besoccer.com/new/mourin...they-signed-him-for-commercial-reasons-552924

Also

The initial point was about Casemiro, I said he didn't identify him.

No, you wrote "targetS", but are now trying to spin it a different way.

 

[roonster09]

Come on mate, don't be naive.

https://www.besoccer.com/new/mourin...they-signed-him-for-commercial-reasons-552924

Also



No, you wrote "targetS", but are now trying to spin it a different way.

So the player Jose was desperate to sign for Chelsea wasn't his preferred signing?
Jose

Pogba goes to any team and improves that team automatically. If he stays at Juventus, Juventus will be very strong again. If he goes somewhere else he will improve immediately a team.

I think everybody has an interest in Pogba. But there are things you can do and things you cannot do. I love the Eiffel Tower but I can't have the Eiffel Tower in my garden. I can't even have the Eiffel Tower of Las Vegas.

Raiola

Raiola told Rai Sport: "Paul could have left [Juventus] last year because Mourinho - then at Chelsea - really wanted him.

"But Juventus and I had agreement: win the league title and the Champions League, then he can go."

Sure it's because of commercial reason because manager's friend said that after a huge fall out between player and manager.


Re targets, this is the post I replied to.
It's pretty obvious to anyone that know about transfers that coaches have secondary roles in most transfers of well known players like Casemiro,

It's a small point and i don't care whether you think spin or anything. ManUtd managers play bigger role at recruitment, it's a known thing. Just because you are ignorant to it doesn't mean players are dumped at them. Manager plays a bigger role and that's the problem for most Manutd fans as everyone wants to move to DoF system.

 

[RedorDead21]

Of course not. But hey apparently it’s impossible to make accurate assessments of a player before giving them 2 and a half full fecking seasons before thinking that they aren’t good enough.

It’s early days for him in fairness..Sancho it’s certainly not. We didn’t buy the finished product we chose him. That’s the manger and recruiters choice. Makes sense given the entire team ain’t there yet and we have added some real experience in other areas, not sure the wing was the priority last summer in that regard we needed a more resilient spine and we addressed it. I would like a finished product on the flanks this summer to add to the group though but again it’s not the priority given we hope for a step up next year for Antony.

 

[roonster09]

Come on mate, don't be naive.

Here is one more, from the ManUtd ex-Manager

Ole
"I'll always have the final say on transfers. No one comes in the door without me saying yes. It has to be that way, even though signing players is a process involving other members of staff.

"I don't really speak to agents, because I have nothing to do with the money side of it, but the final decision on who becomes a Manchester United player will be mine."

So you think Ole had the final say but Jose didn't? Or Eth didn't?

Like I said, you mistake is to assume we have DoF system and works maybe like in PSG where managers plays very little role in recruitment.

 

[RedorDead21]

You spoke about Casemiro, ofcourse he recommended players he worked with, when FdJ didn't work out, it wasn't EtH who identifies back up options. He is the one who decides whether to proceed with the target.

Your mistake is to assume every club just dumps players on coaches without them having any power. That's why I said, use chatgpt.

We tried to sign entire Ajax team and the players who had Dutch passport, that should give you enough idea on how bigger role ManUtd manager plays in transfers.

Yeah when I see not so many Dutch links and some quality relatively unknown players from elsewhere joining and then being a success it would point towards a better scouting team. Until then this manger has too much say on identifying players it seems for us..you can argue whether that’s a positive or not, my personal view is it’s not good for a club.

 

[roonster09]

Yeah when I see not so many Dutch links and some quality relatively unknown players from elsewhere joining and then being a success it would point towards a better scouting team. Until then this manger has too much say on identifying players it seems for us..you can argue whether that’s a positive or not, my personal view is it’s not good for a club.

I don't think we will move completely to DoF system but I hope we move to system where we don't rely much on manager for transfers, or lets say less power to them on transfers.

 

[Biggins]

Oh yeah, right, I'm sure that's how it works, he didn't identify Licha and Antony and United just randomly bought 2 Ajax players the very year he arrived at the club. Clubs love to pretend their transfers are well oiled and follow a specific process, it rarely is the case. Sometimes clubs present players to coaches when it's already a done deal (who would have refused Casemiro anyway), sometimes coaches insist to get a specific players, it's actually often both. Casemiro was already a done deal months before it was announced, and the talks probably started months before that. The board nailed that one.

Who would have refused Cas? Half of the Caf judging by the transfer thread back in August/September!

 

[Oly Francis]

Who would have refused Cas? Half of the Caf judging by the transfer thread back in August/September!

No one, that's my point. People here are giving ETH credit for "getting this transfer right" when litteraly no coach in the world would have refused him and when the negociation most likely started well before ETH arrived.

 

[El Jefe]

Nothing is lazier than comparing Antony to where Mahrez was at 23 or Salah. The context of where they were at the time couldn't be more different. Its as silly as comparing every striker's journey to Jamie Vardy.

Antony has had a pretty normal route to a big club. Played in Ajax for two seasons and been capped for Brazil a few times before joining us. He's also come to a team where he's a nailed on starter and already had the trust and confidence of the manager. Salah not only didn't have Jose's trust but had an unreal amount of competition at Chelsea.

There seems to be the assumption from some that he'll just figure it out because it's his first season and he's 23 and that is such a poor argument. Its your skillset and talent that will determine your potential. I could just as easily say the same for Malacia that he will become a top player because he's young and it's his first season.

What Antony did at Ajax and so far with us doesn't point to a player with top potential at all. I just see Erik Lamela and even he displayed more as a youngster with Roma. Being Brazilian and 23 is clouding people's judgement, he's so far off being good enough.

 

[Dannn411]

Test the market for him and get rid if there's interest shown. Not even close to PL level. Shocking signing.

 

[BorisManUtd]

This season was make or break for Sancho and he failed. Next season should be the same for Antony imo.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

Nothing is lazier than comparing Antony to where Mahrez was at 23 or Salah. The context of where they were at the time couldn't be more different. Its as silly as comparing every striker's journey to Jamie Vardy.

Antony has had a pretty normal route to a big club. Played in Ajax for two seasons and been capped for Brazil a few times before joining us. He's also come to a team where he's a nailed on starter and already had the trust and confidence of the manager. Salah not only didn't have Jose's trust but had an unreal amount of competition at Chelsea.

There seems to be the assumption from some that he'll just figure it out because it's his first season and he's 23 and that is such a poor argument. Its your skillset and talent that will determine your potential. I could just as easily say the same for Malacia that he will become a top player because he's young and it's his first season.

What Antony did at Ajax and so far with us doesn't point to a player with top potential at all. I just see Erik Lamela and even he displayed more as a youngster with Roma. Being Brazilian and 23 is clouding people's judgement, he's so far off being good enough.

This. Just as with Sancho the skillset just isn't there. Antony will be given another season just because we invested a lot in him and urgently need other player types, not because he is on the cusp of becoming a star player for us.

 

[arthurka]

He needed to up his game next season. I worry for him at Utd, he isn't even close ATM.

 

[Abraxas]

This. Just as with Sancho the skillset just isn't there. Antony will be given another season just because we invested a lot in him and urgently need other player types, not because he is on the cusp of becoming a star player for us.

My expectations are set along the lines of hoping he can become a good and productive player more than a superstar. I'm not sure the talent is there for the latter, which is probably an idea that is set by his transfer fee more than his ability displayed to date.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

It’s early days for him in fairness..Sancho it’s certainly not. We didn’t buy the finished product we chose him. That’s the manger and recruiters choice. Makes sense given the entire team ain’t there yet and we have added some real experience in other areas, not sure the wing was the priority last summer in that regard we needed a more resilient spine and we addressed it. I would like a finished product on the flanks this summer to add to the group though but again it’s not the priority given we hope for a step up next year for Antony.

I don't mind not buying finished products or investing more heavily into younger players. My issue is when a player clearly lacks certain qualities that won't just magically appear with more time and experience.

So many people are looking at this as "young Brazilian winger in his first year with slightly underwhelming production, just give him time". But I'm looking at it as "this is a player that we bought that was very questionable with some aspects of his game in a much weaker league, that is still basically the same player". The concerns I have with Antony aren't just going to magically go away with him getting more experience starting on the wing, unless Ten Hag is suddenly the worlds greatest coach and can turn him from a complete 0 creatively into a competent creator and passer. Or if he can make Antony at 23 years old finally develop a quality weak foot. Neither of those seem plausible at all, so you're left with an expensive winger that shoots a ton with terrible efficiency that doesn't really offer much else. So if that's the case why am I giving him a bunch more time?

"Give time" or be patient with players that showed a level of dominance at another league, or have clear top level attributes but are still very raw in other parts of their game. Greenwood was clearly a special striker of the ball even at 17. Rashford clearly had a level of skill and blistering pace at 18. As does Garnacho. Sancho I was willing to be patien with (no longer mind you) because as a teenager he was one of the best creative wingers in Europe and clearly has all of the technical tools to be successful here as well even if he doesn't have the physical ones. His issue is his lack of mentality. But I don't see any standout attributes from Antony that I can look at immediately and go "yeah if all else fails he's got that". I mean feck the best people in here can say about him to defend him is he works hard and has a good mentality.

 

[Dr Foo]

For those who watched him closely at Ajax, how does his performances there differ from those with us? I remembered seeing some highlights of his time at Ajax where he seemed more aggressive at beating his man and being more creative. Hopefully it is a matter of adjusting to the league before he unleashes his tools more next season. Otherwise we are really hampered going forward where he can't take advantage of the many good positions he is in.

 

[Borys]

I actually think he is playing quite well considering his talent. The problem is that some people are seriously overrating his talent. His problems are:

1. Lack of assists/creativity - he is simply not creative enough to massively improve on this. His crossing is shite, and he is playing on the right so I doubt we will exploit it anyway, and his passing forward is really shite(he simply doesn't see the space in front of him, and his weight of forward passes doesn't seem great either), so it's really difficult to see how he will improve his creativity. He also doesn't use his striker, AT ALL!

2. Scoring - using his right foot more means feck all when his left foot isn't that special either. To be a good goalscorer in PL you need to have good shot on you and have the body balance and power to shot in crucial moment(something that all best PL forwards have), and he simply doesn't have that in him. He can become good goalscorer in the sense Sterling was - with good movement and once we start creating 3 clear chances for him per game means he will eventually start scoring, but once our chances dries he will stop scoring again. But to be fair we have created a lot for him this year and he still hasn't started scoring, so that's a concern too.



What do you think would happen if we signed someone like Haaland and didn't spend our all available transfer money on him? Or if we actually had money for a striker in January instead of peanuts for someone like Wout? You don't think we would be much better team?

I agree with the bolded part. He has impressed me in terms of how much he can squeeze from his talent which I don't rate at all.

Regarding his problems I actually believe his left foot needs more work than right as if he had a good stronger foot he would be much more effective. Right now, he just doesn't seem to trust his passing and I believe he has a good reason for it.

For those who watched him closely at Ajax, how does his performances there differ from those with us? I remembered seeing some highlights of his time at Ajax where he seemed more aggressive at beating his man and being more creative. Hopefully it is a matter of adjusting to the league before he unleashes his tools more next season. Otherwise we are really hampered going forward where he can't take advantage of the many good positions he is in.

Are you sure about that? I'd imagine if you watched his highlights he is actually doing exactly as in Ajax. It's just you're watching him play a whole game.
Keep in mind in NL he played for a team that averages 60-65% of possession so he actually gets many more chances to do something positiive, as quite clearly counter attacking game isn't his cup of tea.

 

[Putting all banter aside]

For those who watched him closely at Ajax, how does his performances there differ from those with us? I remembered seeing some highlights of his time at Ajax where he seemed more aggressive at beating his man and being more creative. Hopefully it is a matter of adjusting to the league before he unleashes his tools more next season. Otherwise we are really hampered going forward where he can't take advantage of the many good positions he is in.

They don't differ that much. That's the whole reason why I was surprised by the eagerness of Ten Hag to get him last summer. Obviously, in the Eredivisie he had way more time and space to do his playing and fiddling, but in the end of the day the problem was always his end product. He didn't have the pace nor the decisiveness in the final third, that's the main reason why he had a mediocre G/A ratio at best and never really stood out apart from YouTube compilations where his trickery was pumped up.

 

[Borys]

I don't mind not buying finished products or investing more heavily into younger players. My issue is when a player clearly lacks certain qualities that won't just magically appear with more time and experience.

So many people are looking at this as "young Brazilian winger in his first year with slightly underwhelming production, just give him time". But I'm looking at it as "this is a player that we bought that was very questionable with some aspects of his game in a much weaker league, that is still basically the same player". The concerns I have with Antony aren't just going to magically go away with him getting more experience starting on the wing, unless Ten Hag is suddenly the worlds greatest coach and can turn him from a complete 0 creatively into a competent creator and passer. Or if he can make Antony at 23 years old finally develop a quality weak foot. Neither of those seem plausible at all, so you're left with an expensive winger that shoots a ton with terrible efficiency that doesn't really offer much else. So if that's the case why am I giving him a bunch more time?

"Give time" or be patient with players that showed a level of dominance at another league, or have clear top level attributes but are still very raw in other parts of their game. Greenwood was clearly a special striker of the ball even at 17. Rashford clearly had a level of skill and blistering pace at 18. As does Garnacho. Sancho I was willing to be patien with (no longer mind you) because as a teenager he was one of the best creative wingers in Europe and clearly has all of the technical tools to be successful here as well even if he doesn't have the physical ones. His issue is his lack of mentality. But I don't see any standout attributes from Antony that I can look at immediately and go "yeah if all else fails he's got that". I mean feck the best people in here can say about him to defend him is he works hard and has a good mentality.

Excellent post (especially the bolded parts is how I feel). I was very surprised by how many people thought "he just needs to work on his weaker foot this season", like nobody noticed this has been his weakness for the last 5 years of his professional carreer.

This. Just as with Sancho the skillset just isn't there. Antony will be given another season just because we invested a lot in him and urgently need other player types, not because he is on the cusp of becoming a star player for us.

That is clearly not the case. They are having completely different issues. If you combined them the only thing they don't have is speed. But they are no alike.

 

[Bebestation]

Sancho is shit. He just did well in a foreign league so he bypassed the whole overrated and overpriced English tax phenomenon that all other English players get.

They give him time because why? He did well in the Bundesliga. This fan base values foreign players more than English players and Sancho is viewed as foreign for ultimately doing it in the Bundesliga.

Anyone who watched him in the Bundesliga knows that all he did was beat the offside trap of a high line and draw back a simple pass for the striker to tap in.

This is why for all the fans that were laughing at Southgate for not ever picking him - he got it right all along and the fans were the one who got it wrong. The fan base are worse at football than Southgate.

Antony may never be world class but he has absolutely trumped Sancho in terms of quality of a season in a single one, arguably in a single match. For that reason I can give him time - ultimately because there is a much worse player ‘lingering’ in our squad.

 

[red woppit]

Sancho is shit. He just did well in a foreign league so he bypassed the whole overrated and overpriced English tax phenomenon that all other English players get.

They give him time because why? He did well in the Bundesliga. This fan base values foreign players more than English players and Sancho is viewed as foreign for ultimately doing it in the Bundesliga.

Anyone who watched him in the Bundesliga knows that all he did was beat the offside trap of a high line and draw back a simple pass for the striker to tap in.

This is why for all the fans that were laughing at Southgate for not ever picking him - he got it right all along and the fans were the one who got it wrong. The fan base are worse at football than Southgate.

Antony may never be world class but he has absolutely trumped Sancho in terms of quality of a season in a single one, arguably in a single match. For that reason I can give him time - ultimately because there is a much worse player ‘lingering’ in our squad.

I'm beginning to believe you may be right, and also give Southgate some credit, which many on here don't, that Sancho has never deserved a place in the England team.
I believe he has the ability, but he certainly lacks application, and the mental toughness at the moment, to become a star in the EPL. We need to see so much more from him, not just a couple of excellent things during a match, but fairly consistent creativeness and goal scoring.
Antony, to me, has had a decent season, not great, but I'm hopeful that he will improve in all aspects over the next couple of seasons, with Amad coming back, and being a possible starter in the RW position, it will be interesting to see how Antony responds, especially if Amad does come straight into the team.
Pre season will be really exciting this year, for so many reasons.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

This. Just as with Sancho the skillset just isn't there. Antony will be given another season just because we invested a lot in him and urgently need other player types, not because he is on the cusp of becoming a star player for us.

Actually they’re very different. Sancho very clearly has brilliant natural skillset but lacks the intensity, physicality and mental drive to make the most of it. Antony is mentally very driven and physically good (his defensive out is brilliant) but comes across as a bit technically limited. Hopefully Antony goes up a few notches as his United career progresses as at least he’s got the ethic to contribute towards us being a tactical well setup team.

 

[acnumber9]

Antony may never be world class but he has absolutely trumped Sancho in terms of quality of a season in a single one, arguably in a single match.

Has he bollocks. Sancho has more goals and assists in the Premier League in less minutes than Antony this season. And he had to be sent to a fat farm halfway through.

 

[Bebestation]

Has he bollocks. Sancho has more goals and assists in the Premier League in less minutes than Antony this season. And he had to be sent to a fat farm halfway through.

Sancho doesn’t perform for 89 mins per game.

Antony is at least there on the pitch.

Also Antony had a better all rounded performances in all competitions.

Sancho was there (but not there) in the PL.

Anyway - I don’t care, Sancho will always have his preferred fans base for doing it in the Bundesliga and looking like a flashy footballer of a foreigner.

 

[acnumber9]

Sancho doesn’t perform for 89 mins per game.

Antony is at least there on the pitch.

Also Antony had a better all rounded performances in all competitions.

Sancho was there (but not there) in the PL.

Anyway - I don’t care, Sancho will always have his preferred fans base for doing it in the Bundesliga and looking like a flashy footballer of a foreigner.

Neither does Antony. His all round attacking game is abysmal. He has 2 extra goal involvements in all competitions across an extra 11 games worth of minutes. Neither have been close to good enough.

 

[Lyng]

Sancho doesn’t perform for 89 mins per game.

Antony is at least there on the pitch.

Also Antony had a better all rounded performances in all competitions.

Sancho was there (but not there) in the PL.

Anyway - I don’t care, Sancho will always have his preferred fans base for doing it in the Bundesliga and looking like a flashy footballer of a foreigner.

The whole foreigner schtick you are running with makes zero sense given that Antony is Brazilian....

 

[Bebestation]

Neither does Antony. His all round attacking game is abysmal. He has 2 extra goal involvements in all competitions across an extra 11 games worth of minutes. Neither have been close to good enough.

This is Sancho’s second season. This is Antony’s first.

Sancho hasn’t not been picked due to injury ( as hasn’t southgate) - he hasn’t been picked because he isn’t that good on the pitch or mentally to warrant a position.

 

[Bebestation]

The whole foreigner schtick you are running with makes zero sense given that Antony is Brazilian....

Sancho isn’t treated like the other English players - I’ve seen it with Rashford, Maguire, Wan Bissaka, Shaw and others.

All because he did it in Germany.

 

[acnumber9]

This is Sancho’s second season. This is Antony’s first.

Sancho hasn’t not been picked due to injury ( as hasn’t southgate) - he hasn’t been picked because he isn’t that good on the pitch or mentally to warrant a position.

That’s not the point you were making. You said Antony has done more in one game than Sancho has all season. Which was bollocks.