It;s a rubbish no-context stat.
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you mean that cross that was over hit and floated to the other side of the box? People need to open their bloody eyes and watch the game, not look at stats. There was no hoping on my part, just dismayed resignation.
The guy is a complete coward is the issue. He's not been remotely good for 3 years and yet is still at the club and still getting minutes. He refuses to take any risk or any responsibility in attack. All the room in the world to take on his man and get something in from a decent position, win a free kick, anything. What does he do? Play the ball backwards and loft in three aimless percentage balls to the back post from deep. It's not even like he put any shape or whip on it. He shouldn't be getting on the pitch ahead of Young. He shouldn't still be at the club.
That is true. But usually 70% of the time it isnt really.
You mean the one that didn't was one of his bad crosses that was put in the box? The one that connected wasn't did not really lead to anything significant, but hey at least he found his target.
There was no hoping on my part, just dismayed resignation.
In regards to your comment about statistics I would agree with you, but one thing you should notice is that the human eye can not pay attention to that many things at once, I wish it did, but it dosen't and that is what leads to controversy, that is why statistics can come in handy at times, some times it dosen't.
When did you see Darmian do any of that?.... Just asking.
My take on Valencia's the same as Rooney; if we're lavishing praise on them for doing the basics of what's expected, they should be dropped. Valencia's just a coward. No willingness to run at his man, too one footed to be of any use, and doesn't want to use his pace.
Have you not been watching Darmian at all? Granted his crossing game needs improvement but we get so much more out of him threatening the right flank. He's willing to run at his man and make the overlap and make something happen.
I fecking hate this. It seems to be the 'in' word, along side 'disgrace'.
A coward would be someone who fakes injury to get subbed, not putting the effort in, not giving their best for the team etc that's a coward, not a players footballing ability.
I find Valencia as frustrating as anyone but he gives his all, gets on with the job while playing the majority of his time out of position, matches every single player physically, that's is not the behavior of a coward in my opinion.
Does he really give his all? We've all seen him beat his man on the wing before; he's more than capable of it, one footedness notwithstanding. He doesn't even try now. That's not giving your best.
Far too easy to sit back and question someone's effort when they dont fulfill your expectations.
Can you please tell me what van Gaal's instruction to Valencia when one on one?
I'm very sure it would be the exact same for Darmian who actually tries to take his man on. Don't be stupid putting this on LVG's instructions.
So Mata has the same instruction as Memphis or Young?
No but I'd imagine the fullbacks do. Especially since width is a core tenet of LVG's philosophy. Of course I have no idea what LVG is saying in the dressing room but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that his fullbacks are meant to provide offensive contributions. It's one of the reasons he went with that 3-5-2 we so hated; so that the wing backs could attack and provide the width.
I'd much prefer to see Depay on the left, Mata behind Hernandez, and Lingard on the right
Valencia was first choice RB last season, if everyone was fit, it would be him. If he wasn't doing what van Gaal wanted, that wouldn't have been the case. So I think it's clear he is carrying out van Gaal's instructions otherwise he would get the Herrera treatment of last season.
I agree that he should be contributing more in attack but he would be the hero this week if his shot wasn't blocked late on.
Valencia was first choice because he was the only choice. Yea he would've been the hero but so might have Smalling or Carrick or Chicharito been, I agree. But that blocked chance doesn't distract anyone from the fact that he isn't doing his job on the wing. Not to the best of his ability anyway. And this is in no way related to form; he isn't even trying to make something happen most of the time.
His job isn't the wing, his job is to give it to and support the winger. Sure, he needs to do more than that when required but does a sideways pass make him a coward? No, a coward is someone like Di Maria throwing the towel in.
Ok fair point about Di Maria
A sideways pass doesn't make him a coward, but he does it whenever we create 1 on 1s for him which he should be taking. THAT, in my opinion, is being afraid to take on a man.
I'm sure he said Tony, I want you to always pick the easy option, if you see an opportunity to make somethng happen, I don't want you to take it. He was brought on because Darmian wax fecked. The reason he was first choice last season was because Van Gaal didn't like Rafael, not because AV was brilliant, hence why his replacement was brought in this window.
This blocked shot has been brought up a few times, like he created this chance, it was happened to fall where he was standing, that's it.
Darmian dosen't take anybody on except for once in which he failed. He dosen't run at his man. Stop lying to yourself. He took his He does exactly what Valencia does and he makes runs to put himself into dangerous positions, I saw Valencia do the same thing last year. I'm yet to see any end product from Darmian on the offensive end. That being said, bar this past game I have been very very satisfied with him on the defensive end. Darmian is still young and developing, the end product will come and when it does he will be the best;until then, lets not lie to ourselves that Darmian has been doing well offensively.
Lying to myself? Watch our games again. He's always willing to make the overlap and push for the cross. We all agree that his end product needs improvement but what he offers is a far more threat than Valencia does with his constant cutting back and refusng to run at his man. And yes, Darmian does attempt to run at his man far more than Valencia does. I might be biased but I notice it far more.
You really are trying to hammer home this stat aren't you? I don't know where you got it from, as he was fouled twice in the opening minutes taking players on and the last thing he did before being subbed was try to take a player on so that's at least 3, he also got to the byline at least 3 times. Still, don't let that effect your whoscored based opinion.
I'm not a big Valencia fan but I didn't like the 'jeers' when he came on for the last 10 mins. Every time he got the ball there were jeers from a good number of he crowd. We shouldn't be doing that.
As much as people don't like him, he's a very good option for the squad. I'm almost curious to see him on the right wing in place of Mata for a game or two to see how we do with that extra dimension, despite being the far inferior footballer of course.
Anyway, I believe we need him to start RB against Swansea on Sunday. He can nullify the threat of Montero, an if we can disarm that - I don't see them having enough to hurt us. Shelvey is a threat from midfield, but now we have added Morgan, I expect us to cope with that.
Anyway, I believe we need him to start RB against Swansea on Sunday. He can nullify the threat of Montero, an if we can disarm that - I don't see them having enough to hurt us. Shelvey is a threat from midfield, but now we have added Morgan, I expect us to cope with that.
Surprises me he's still getting such a rough ride. I was as critical of him as anyone when he seemed to have a monopoly on the right-wing but I thought he was very solid at right-back last season. People talk a lot about the Mata-Herrera partnership but they're forgetting that it was actually a triangle where Valencia was really important in maintaining the width better than Darmian has done so far.
I think Darmian looks like a good signing but it was a bit hard on Valencia to even pursue a right-back. I thought he did his job more than well enough last season to make it a low priority.
I think Darmian looks like a good signing but it was a bit hard on Valencia to even pursue a right-back. I thought he did his job more than well enough last season to make it a low priority.
No top team going who should be aiming for major titles will achieve anything with Antonio Valencia as their RB, he wouldn't make it into most mid-table teams, let alone the top tier.
Considering Fellaini is no considered as a striker than we should play Valencia as a winger. He may well end up our main assist man
This is the standard to which our players should be held at. A little harsh to say mid table clubs wouldn't have him, but he certainly would never be first choice at any top tier team. Never ever.
If we're talking about playing on the right wing, I'd say Mahrez at Leicester shits all over him in terms of attacking threat.
i alwats laugh at this 'no top team ' thing that is spouted here..,even the best teams have good squad players that dill their ranks and fo their bit when called upon...even barca for example have someone like roberto, fergie's great sides had people like phil neville and o'shea...in the 99 ucl final without two first team midfielders we had to bring in squad players, that came in and did a satisfactory job..
I for one believe that one of the reasons that Valencia is hated is the fact that Rafael got benched over him..too many fanboys
I for one believe that one of the reasons that Valencia is hated is the fact that Rafael got benched over him..too many fanboys
This. There's some ungrateful swines on this forum. Turning on our players is just stupid. It's as if people think we should have 25 Schweinsteigers/Smallings/DDG in our squad. Clubs don't work like that. Valencia is an excellent squad player for us and has shown his versatility on plenty of occasions. He hasn't moaned for playing at RB - not publicly at least, and he always seems to try his hardest.
feck the haters.
The top teams argument is banded about based on the fact that he wouldn't be a first choice. Nobody said anything about squad player. If he is a squad player it is because he plainly isn't good enough to be number one for a team looking to be in the top tier.
Does Fellaini have a knack for getting his head to crosses smashed at knee height that doesn't get past the first defender?
This isn't any whoscored based opinion, I didn't see much runs at man at all, Darmian uses his superior tactical awareness and inteligence to pick out the good runs and overlaps. Nothing wrong with that as long as you have end product( which we know is still developing).
What I said came from my eyes not statistics mind you. Darmian dosen't really
Just like Valencia.... That is not the same as running at his man. For me, Valencia and Darmian have produced almost exactly the same offensively. Both have done things better than each other but they are compatible. The difference is that Darmian has promise while Valencia has reached his peak. (This opinion could change as I have not seen the latest Club Brugge game yet)
Well. That does it for me. I'm out.
^Lol. To be fair, if we was to be to harsh then yes for all the positions Darmian has taken, his end product has been lacking. He's either picked out a neither here or there pass or taking too long to smash one across the 6 yard box. His movement off the ball is a mixture of good to acceptable (i.e a proper runner like Clyne, Coleman, Rafael etc would be running rings on the right with Mata providing the balls but of course we wouldn't have that solidarity at the back).
That's the very harsh line though because I think it's taking all his energy to be this involved defensively and offensively. Not to mention he's played less than 10 games with his team mates.
That's the very harsh line though because I think it's taking all his energy to be this involved defensively and offensively. Not to mention he's played less than 10 games with his team mates.
I agree with you. I've stated many times here that I think his end product needs improvement but that can be worked on. And yet his attacking impetus gives us far more than Valencia's fear of attacking. His defensive contributions I don't even have to mention that they're way better.
Might be interesting given that Valencia is Montero's idol and mentor. Wonder if he'll go at him as aggressively as he has other fullbacks in the league.
I just don't understand what the hell his problem is. He was a damn good winger and it's not like he lost the abilities he did have in those days. He's still got his pace and the leg injury is a non issue because he played well after he came back from it. It's not coaching either because he was the same under Moyes as he is with LvG. For whatever reason he is reluctant to try anything positive. It's a shame for us because we could use a good right winger in the squad. Maybe he needs to see a psychiatrist.
Yup and hear me out here...but Valencia should absolutely fill in for Darmian from time to time. Like maybe even tommorow. Not neccessarily because of Montero but I think these games will take it's toll on Darmian (mentally and physically).
As this is a Valencia thread though, I hope LVG can give Tony back that confidence because having him as a dependable back-up is going to be vital for our long season. I'll even say, if we see the same Tony of old (ok maybe even just last season's form), in some games, I wouldn't be surprised to see Valencia preferred to Darmian in the last 30mins of a game or even more (!).
I have a lot of time for Valencia because he's proper professional and with the right coaching/arm around the shoulder, he's more than good enough to be our Phil Neville, Wes Brown, O'Shea on that touchline.
Its not going to be fun listening to everyone moan each time he gets a cameo.
I absolutely agree that Valencia should play on a rotation basis, and I can see the reasons why he would be a good defender to put on Montero because of his pace and power. I still think that this won't matter because Montero's movement and ability to use both feet will make pace and power less effective. I'd rather LVG played Valencia against Brugge and saved Darmian for Swansea.
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