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Based on his performances pre-injury, you're wrong there.
Still to me it's a tongue in cheek 'bring him back'. Seriousnotserious.
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Based on his performances pre-injury, you're wrong there.
Still to me it's a tongue in cheek 'bring him back'. Seriousnotserious.
I remember, especially in comparison to Nani, he seemed to "always" make the right decision with whatever he was doing. Really effective at his best, lower ceiling than Nani, but Nani was way more miss than hit at times.
After that 2 years or so though, he'd been replaced by a guy who'd race up the wing, then completely stop dead. Or just smash aimless crosses into shins.
Really shocking transformation.
I think I remember him once having to fill in at Chelsea and he did good enough that we could tick it off as "phew got away with it"
To years later see him frequently filling in at full back is mad.
I'm wrong?!!
The #1 clip was against Argentina in October in a World Cup qualifier. He was MOTM.
Lol ok I was too lazy to elaborate but since it's subjective all I'm and others are saying is 'Valencia really isn't that bad of a player that we can totally disregard and yes we do miss right now (however limited, there are certain qualities he has that are missed; much like how I dislike Young massively but can see how he invigorated a lifeless right side against Swansea), especially in light of our recent right back offerings'.
For all the stick he's received, nobody has been better than him at right back all season.
Miss him, hope his return is soon.
Miss him, hope his return is soon.
any idea if he's ever coming back?! been ages.
BBC reporting he trained today with first team squad.
As much as I don't rate him, that's welcome news. For all his flaws, he's a much better option than Varela/Love/McNair etc.
He's our best right back.
Darmian has made more feck ups This season this season than Valencia did in more games last season.
Valencia had probably 2 or 3 brainfarts last year which were over blown and used as a stick to beat him with.
Newsflash: most fullbacks make at least a few mistakes that lead to goals every season.
Valencia also supports his winger better and as bad as his end product is, Darmian's is still worse.
I don't dislike Darmian, he will definitely improve as he settles but I don't expect him to be out long term right back and Valencia is superior.
Darmian has made more feck ups This season this season than Valencia did in more games last season.
Valencia had probably 2 or 3 brainfarts last year which were over blown and used as a stick to beat him with.
Newsflash: most fullbacks make at least a few mistakes that lead to goals every season.
Valencia also supports his winger better and as bad as his end product is, Darmian's is still worse.
I don't dislike Darmian, he will definitely improve as he settles but I don't expect him to be out long term right back and Valencia is superior.
Our results began to get worse when we lost both Shaw & Valencia, so i'm glad we're getting them back slowly.
Just showed a clip of training on Sky Sports News and while it didn't show him kicking a ball, he was doing the drills with the rest of the squad.
Big boost for the team. Hopefully he can hit the ground running
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In a style of play, where we have such a slow build up, both and Valencia and Shaw are massively missed, as they often open up a lot of avenues with their great energy and dribbling skills down the wide areas, which, more often than not, creates attacking overloads. A great example of this was Valencia, Mata and Herrera on the right last season.
Another player who is massively over-rated when he's out of the side.
This.
He's a below average winger that can't cross, shoe-horned into being a below average full back that can't defend... or cross.
He's a consummate professional by his application and attitude, but he's been at Utd way too long.
Don't agree at all. Valencia has been OK at his best with many faults including the back pass against Arsenal and some woeful positioning such as the games vs Everton and Wolfsburg.
As for his attacking play, well there is none. I can't remember the last time he contributed towards an attack.
Yes Darmian hasn't been great, but he doesn't need to do much more to oust Valencia in our first XI.
I should add that it's great to have him back. I still think he's a decent full back.
Don't agree, he's actually underrated when he is in the side. People can't see past his days in the last SAF season and Moyes season. He's actually a very good right back imo.
Our best RB returns. Great news.
A welcomed cover but should be moved on this summer. Vastly overrated after one good season by fans easily blinded by graft in the absence of skill and talent. He has been getting worse with every injury and I don't see him getting any better. Varela should be ahead of him for now.
If Valencia is the definition of a very good right back, we are finished. Clyne is better than Valencia as a right back and I won't call him a very good right back. He is a failed winger that relies solely on his physicality, much like Fellaini.
I mean even if I thought he had a good season last season, which I don't, at best you're arguing for him having 1 good season out of the last 3.
I don't think he's anything at all special at the back and his physical attributes compensate for frequent errors, and the less said about him going forward the better. The fact that I'm not certain he's actually better going forward than Darmian, who has been wank going forward himself, is testament to that.
He's not good enough, and whilst I'm happy he's back as cover, the fact that we shipped so many average players out but kept him is bizarre.
He has been better than Darmian even though it doesn't say much. Yes, his crosses are still shite and his positioning is suspect, but he does offer alot more attacking wise, and it has been obvious especially with Mata playing out wide, Darmian haven't been capable of doing Valencia's role.
I miss Tony (not for his brainfarts and shin-crossing) as a reliable option at RB, and a good player to have available in the squad. Was playing well before getting injured.
Hopefully we see him back playing soon.
Hopefully we see him back playing soon.
Good he's coming back but I expect him to be in the U21s like everyone else that comes back from injury.
He's a great outlet in the sense that his first touch is actually freaking great, he never loses the ball, good (steady) passer and he can easily run with the ball 30-40 yards relieving pressure and turning defence into offense.
That being said he hardly ever creates anything and loses his man too often for my likening. The latter actually not so much this season though, I think he was great in the beginning of the season.
That being said he hardly ever creates anything and loses his man too often for my likening. The latter actually not so much this season though, I think he was great in the beginning of the season.
Grabbed a great assist from the game he got injured against CSKA for a Martial header, he actually looked really good in that game.
Most of that is true mostly because Darmian has been absolutely terrible(as you said) apart from the first month or two, with the exception of two or three good games since then. RB is probably our weakest spot in this squad and Valencia should be nothing more than a backup, if Darmian doesn't improve then we should search for a new fullback, IMO.
Anyway, good to hear that he is close to being back.
Great to see him training today, the more experienced players back the better. If we're going to make a serious tilt at both of these cup competitions we're going to need players back fit.
it's positively laughable that people are getting misty-eyed at his return. an absolute non-entity of a player and a perfect symbol of the malaise our club has become since the glazers took over.
at his age and given his dramatic regression as a player, give me varela at RB any day of the week. varela has a future, valencia doesn't.
at his age and given his dramatic regression as a player, give me varela at RB any day of the week. varela has a future, valencia doesn't.
Mata has missed him desperately.
Even though his end product isn't great, he's excellent at linking up, offering an outlet and creating space with his movement. People just don't care to see it because they want him to blast past the opposition fullback and put a good cross in.
It's a pointless argument though, people just cannot for the life of them view him objectively.
You can accuse me of being a Valencia fan boy but I was probably his most vocal critic when he was playing on the right wing. I created 2 or 3 threads with the sole intention of mocking him. Last season though, I watched him at right back and judged him on what I saw.
He made a few mistakes, that I won't deny but every time a goal is scored you can credit it as a mistake to one player or another so over the course of a season any player is going to be blamed. A couple of the things he was blamed for was ludicrous though.
Even though his end product isn't great, he's excellent at linking up, offering an outlet and creating space with his movement. People just don't care to see it because they want him to blast past the opposition fullback and put a good cross in.
It's a pointless argument though, people just cannot for the life of them view him objectively.
You can accuse me of being a Valencia fan boy but I was probably his most vocal critic when he was playing on the right wing. I created 2 or 3 threads with the sole intention of mocking him. Last season though, I watched him at right back and judged him on what I saw.
He made a few mistakes, that I won't deny but every time a goal is scored you can credit it as a mistake to one player or another so over the course of a season any player is going to be blamed. A couple of the things he was blamed for was ludicrous though.
we miss his pace as much as anything. even if he doesn't create anything else, his pace creates space for others to work in.
This.
He gets the other teams on the back foot with his pace. Just his crossing or final ball is diabolical.
Looking forward to him being back. His final ball is off course shocking, but in terms of running with the ball, being an attacking outlet on that side with his pace and strength, he's a huge asset. Last season people constantly ripped into him, but he had a very good season overall IMO. Overlaps really well and was one of the best right backs in the league, it's just his defensive lapses that arise on occasion are all that sticks in people's minds. But having someone dependable like him is a huge bonus, so hopefully he's almost ready to be starting and stays fit. A big part of our shit form this season was to do with 3 big long term injuries, forcing us to overuse others and getting them injured and so on.
Glad he's back.
Hope he enjoys his last few months at the club.
Wasn't the game he got injured against Man city?
Completely agree.
Darmian was the shiny new toy that was going to be twice the right back Valencia was last season (because Valencia is a right winger only and can't possibly play a different position well).
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