How he's getting any blame for the goal is beyond me. In order of feck up: Darmian > Schneiderlin > Blind > Smalling > Valencia. Darmian should have been in his position. Schneiderlin shouldn't have made a half ass effort if he's also all the way out of position and Blind shouldn't have let him past him after Schneiderlin's fail. Smalling shouldn't have been ball watching through all of this circus and Valencia was the only one marking the correct player..
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I'm guessing he wasn't fully fit, seemed to have trouble staying on his feet at times, slipping a lot.
He is a bit shit, to be fair.
No he's not.
Costly positioning errors are part and parcel of playing him in defence. He's got handy attributes and does a decent job, but every now and again his positioning costs us in a way that you rarely see with proper defenders. Not his fault, he's asked to do a job there... but when it's time to assign blame, you can't give him a pass for that.
I really don't want to see him there anymore. I'd much rather Jones got stuck in there, or that Rojo gets stuck on left back duty, and Darmian back on his right back side.
I really don't want to see him there anymore. I'd much rather Jones got stuck in there, or that Rojo gets stuck on left back duty, and Darmian back on his right back side.
He quite often is. I don't think he's an awful right-back, as such, but he's still not particularly great defensively a lot of the time. He'll bomb forward a lot, but it's fairly meaningless when his crossing's often dreadful. For the goal, I don't think he was overly at fault, as such, but his positioning's off. Perhaps you could argue it's because he's not a natural right-back...but then I don't think anyone wants to see him out on the wings either.
He played the goal scorer on side, Blind was just as much at fault though. He was rubbish tonight, I reckon he was taken off for tactical reasons because we've seen van Gaal do this often with underperforming players.
You stand 5 yards behind the rest of the defense it's your fault, there's just no defending that.
Valencia clearly fecked up for the goal. Although he wasn't the only one he was still culpable. Just a bad game all round for him tonight. Absolutely the right call to hook him at halftime.
It's crazy how we sold off most of the squad but Valencia survived the cull.
How the hell can you blame him for the goal?!? He marked his man(Dost) correctly and fully expected the left side get the ball back from
Caligiuri. Watch the goal again starting from the soft play from Scheiderlin in the middle of the park..
Caligiuri. Watch the goal again starting from the soft play from Scheiderlin in the middle of the park..
Disgrace of a footballer.
Won't survive next summer.
Won't survive next summer.
He was as much at fault as the rest of the back 4. Might be news to you but standing 5 yards behind the line playing everyone onside is atrocious defending.
The Wolfsburg player cant stand in acres of space unmarked if Valencia pushes up.
He wasn't the only one to cock up, but his was biggest.
No he wasn't
. If Valencia had pushed up Darmian would have still played them offside. Their attacker shouldn't have got past Schneiderlin and Blind when they had him in the corner, and if your blaming defenders positions Smalling came rushing out for no reason.YepNo he wasn't
It's amazing how some people dont understand how the offside trap works.
Him and Rooney are the main left overs of dead wood that need to be chopped down next season summer.
He doesn't have to be at fault for that goal to be criticised for his positioning which is terrible, that happens to him all the time.
I was actually thinking the exact same thing the other day.
It was the biggest mistake in that Darmian was marginally not in line with the CBs while Valencia was wandering through the penalty box wondering what the offside rule is and why the other defenders have gone forward.
Yep
It's amazing how some people dont understand how the offside trap works.
Think you need to have a look again before laughing at other people. Valencia was marking another player while thr player who scored beat the offside trap regardless if valencia was there or not.
Yeah, checking again it seems that the player was onside anyway... still doesn't take away from the fact that if you watch the whole clip, Valencia is totally caught between two minds regarding whether he should stay with the defender or push out, looking more indecisive than any defender I have ever seen at the top level.
Poor again. But I still insist he's good to have around. A squad player that can fill in on our right side. Valencia running at tired defenders could be devastating.
Darmian and Blind were poor too along with Schneiderland. That goal was a comedy of errors.
Darmian and Blind were poor too along with Schneiderland. That goal was a comedy of errors.
He's been poor since he broke his leg. It's sad to see someone who was so brave, direct and aggressive when attacking on that wing to become someone who shys away when someone comes within five yards of him.
He won the fans' and players' player of the year awards the season after his injury.The smiley was in response to the unnecessary use by someone else...
Fair play to the guy playing with an injury. Had a poor game overall on the time he was on but great squad player to have.
You know, I can't fault the guy when he carries on playing like this. He's a warrior
Still got people in here defending Valencia over everything eh
Happened last year as well, I find it strange when there's staunch Rooney supports who won't accept any flak but Valencia, I just don't get it.
He was a great winger but he doesn't meet the standard in any position these days.
Happened last year as well, I find it strange when there's staunch Rooney supports who won't accept any flak but Valencia, I just don't get it.
He was a great winger but he doesn't meet the standard in any position these days.
I actually thought seeing Darmian at RB would have made people realise what we've been missing the past couple of seasons but some still think Valencia can do no wrong. Sunderland's best chance on Saturday came down his side when he was out of position and his positioning last night we comical. He is not a right back and doesn't have that natural instinct of where to be.
I see someone somewhere has created on online petition to sell him.
http://trollfootballnews.com/2015/09/30/manchester-united-fan-sets-petition-sell-valencia/
http://trollfootballnews.com/2015/09/30/manchester-united-fan-sets-petition-sell-valencia/
I wish people would stop peddling this myth; his best season came after the injury.
I don't care if we recall Blackett and move Darmian back, please just no more.
It sounds harsh, you can't fault his effort, good servant etc etc. But objectively speaking, quality wise he just isn't up to it. And it's not only his fault either, he was never a right back. We should have had the foresight to see that wingers covering our excellent first choice options was never going to cut it once our usual defensive injuries kicked in.
I think Tony is as average as the next man these days, but this falls on the manager too imo.
It sounds harsh, you can't fault his effort, good servant etc etc. But objectively speaking, quality wise he just isn't up to it. And it's not only his fault either, he was never a right back. We should have had the foresight to see that wingers covering our excellent first choice options was never going to cut it once our usual defensive injuries kicked in.
I think Tony is as average as the next man these days, but this falls on the manager too imo.
I'd rather play LVG fullback than Blackett.
I was only half serious to be fair. But it's been clear for a while now, this season, last, the year before that, he can't play there. We've had time to rectify it, but he survives the cull somehow. Power, strength, pace, always fit, tries his best. All excellent traits and I love the guy, but it's getting a bit silly now.
Got to the stage where I've given up on him ever being culled so I just grin and bear it. His decline has been unbelievable.
He shouldn't be at right back in European games. Against weaker English opposition perhaps, but only when there's no one else available.
He looks like the incredible hulk these days.
He looks like the incredible hulk these days.
Yep, just look how good Shaw and Darmian are and you can easily see how bad Valencia is at right back.
Regardless of the fact that he's a great athlete, warrior, dedicated, professional, had a few good seasons years ago, people like him.... That's all by-the-by. Man Utd shouldn't be in the business of sentiment. Bottom line is, Valencia is nowhere near good enough to be on that team. Problem is, with Shaw and Rojo injured Luis has no choice (he's not going to give McNair a start there despite his youth policy).
If it hadn't been for Shaws unfortunate injury, we would barely see Valencia this season. As it stands, we're stuck with him for now, unless LVG fancies Young in there. (I'd have young playing RB all day before Valencia)
What I literally cannot get my head around is is complete inability to play the game anymore. Surely the coaches should be taking him back to basics and showing him that crosses are meant to beat the first man! His decision making is terrible and there is little or no end product & against this season, like the Arsenal game last season, he's shown us that he's completely positionally unaware and therefore, a liability.
Thanks for the memories Tony, but once Shaw is back on his feet, please close the door on your way out.
If it hadn't been for Shaws unfortunate injury, we would barely see Valencia this season. As it stands, we're stuck with him for now, unless LVG fancies Young in there. (I'd have young playing RB all day before Valencia)
What I literally cannot get my head around is is complete inability to play the game anymore. Surely the coaches should be taking him back to basics and showing him that crosses are meant to beat the first man! His decision making is terrible and there is little or no end product & against this season, like the Arsenal game last season, he's shown us that he's completely positionally unaware and therefore, a liability.
Thanks for the memories Tony, but once Shaw is back on his feet, please close the door on your way out.
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