It was not a difficult pass to execute. Valencia is at fault.
25
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 35
- Clean sheets
- 12
- Goals
- 0
- Assists
- 5
- Yellow cards
- 4
It was not a difficult pass to execute. Valencia is at fault.
That doesn't matter. Look at the reason for the mistake - which is Jones taking unnecessary risks and putting him under pressure.
Some people are so quick to blame players for no reason. Its quite embarrassing.
For no reason?
OK, ignore the whole context of both my posts and pick up on something which you can take issue with.
Tell me why you're so intent on blaming Valencia for making a mistake when being placed under great pressure from a position which Jones forced him into.
Because it was a shit attempt at a back pass.
No reason?
Bloody hell, the pass was absolutely diabolical and van Gaal definitely tore him a new one after the match. Rightfully so, He should never have given their forward a chance to score. That said, he fecked up - let's move on.
Valencia is the fall guy, somebody to point blame at. If Jones heads that ball up pitch first time without trying to be clever it would never have got that far.
Perhaps the "philosophy" is ultimately to blame, but Jones needs to realise they are already being tightly shut down, that's not a time to try and control the ball and play at the back. Decision making is what we suck at.
Perhaps the "philosophy" is ultimately to blame, but Jones needs to realise they are already being tightly shut down, that's not a time to try and control the ball and play at the back. Decision making is what we suck at.
No reason?
That said, he fecked up - let's move on.
So its clear you both can't actually see why Jones is at fault here. Always an issue with this place and football fans in general - people always see the mistake and get all blind with rage, rather than opening their eyes and looking objectively at the situation.
But by all means, continue to hate on a player for making a mistake under pressure instead of the player who gave the ball to his under pressure teammate in a risky manner, whilst under no pressure of his own.
Unbelievable, is this for real or am I just falling for a massive WUM?
He's hardly under any pressure, he's facing towards De Gea already and the ball come nicely to his feet.
There's no need for Jones to hoof it, that's not what our defenders have been doing all season. Given that he was taking it on the move, and had an unmarked team-mate a few feet away, laying it off was a perfectly reasonable thing to do. And yet somehow it is his fault ahead of the guy who totally, completely fecked up a simple back-pass?!
You can debate the rest of Valencia's performance all you like, but to try and shift blame for that goal is mental, and the worst kind of favouritism / Jones-bashing.
His positioning reminds me of Rafael during his first season, always wants to close down the ball, which is why he went sprinting off towards Oxlade Chamberlin leaving the left wing exposed.
Yeah, I agree. It's the referee's fault for kicking the game off. If he doesn't do that Valencia would never have passed the ball back.
I'm not blind with rage.. Yeah Jones didn't to his job well either - but ultimately it was Valencia who fecked up. He made a huge mistake. However, I don't give a shit anymore, just be thankful it was the cup.
Yes Jones could have dealt with it. That does not excuse Valencia for what he did. Are you actually saying he couldn't have done any better with that pass? How am I even arguing about this
Yes Jones could have dealt with it. That does not excuse Valencia for what he did. Are you actually saying he couldn't have done any better with that pass? How am I even arguing about this
I suggest we all let it go
I think he was halfway there, and then Shaw slipped so he decided to go the whole way to cover for him.
Yes Jones could have dealt with it. That does not excuse Valencia for what he did. Are you actually saying he couldn't have done any better with that pass? How am I even arguing about this
It doesn't. But neither does it explain why Jones felt the need to do all that stuff himself anyway. Again, look at the cause rather than the mistake itself. I bet you're the sort of guy who would berate a GK for letting a penalty slip through his fingers while not even mentioning the defender who handled the ball in the area...
I've also not said anywhere that he couldn't have done better. But please continue to try to take the piss out of what I'm saying and try to take the high ground.
Jones didn't even mean to chest it to him. It was just a rubbish chest control as you can tell by the way he initially went to chase it. He then realised Valencia was there & backed off.
Not excusing Valencia at all. It was a horrific backpass & the fault is squarely on him but it was still a bad bit of play from Jones.
You said people were blaming Val for no reason. There obviously is a reason then.
You're talking shit.
Discussion over.
Mental, absolutely mental.
To be clear, for this analogy to work, Jones is the goalie and Valencia is the hand-balling defender. Ie, Jones could maybe have done better, but it was Valencia that made the massive cock-up.
So, maybe it's you that is "the sort of guy" who would do that?
OK. Maybe one day you'll actually engage in a discussion with someone and answer their points rather than try to pick at a few words they've said, use a few
smilys and an attempt at a witty backhanded comment.
Mental, absolutely mental.
To be clear, for this analogy to work, Jones is the goalie and Valencia is the hand-balling defender. Ie, Jones could maybe have done better, but it was Valencia that made the massive cock-up.
So, maybe it's you that is "the sort of guy" who would do that?
Someone else who loves to use smilies to speak down on someone else's points.
Just like iBoss, either answer the points in my post or don't bother responding. All these attempts to put me and my points down just make you both look quite rude and childish, really.
That was the first time in a while I can remember Antonio having a bad game at RB. He'll bounce back.
Think it's abit harsh to put all the blame on him. It was a poor decision by Jones to chest it down to him, especially with Valencia facing him, he should of dealt with the danger. But it was very poor by Valencia as well but everyone makes them mistakes, even the very best players, it's just unfortunate that it cost us the game in such a big tie.
Apart from that though, he dealt with Sanchez quite well at times. The first goal, he drifted inside and Smalling went to RB but then Smalling decided to come back to CB even though Valencia was still inside. I doubt if Shaw or Rafael had had the same game, people would be on their back as much. Valencia has been good at RB for me, and one game won't change that, I'm not going to judge his RB form based on what he has done as a winger over the last year.
Apart from that though, he dealt with Sanchez quite well at times. The first goal, he drifted inside and Smalling went to RB but then Smalling decided to come back to CB even though Valencia was still inside. I doubt if Shaw or Rafael had had the same game, people would be on their back as much. Valencia has been good at RB for me, and one game won't change that, I'm not going to judge his RB form based on what he has done as a winger over the last year.
Please keep the conversations civil and don't use insults, folks.
How am I even arguing about this
Bizarre, isn't it?
Feel sorry for him, he's clearly hurting judging by his Facebook post, hope we don't see his confidence drop because he's horrendous when his confidence is low.
Apologies - after Waldner twice moved the debate away from our opinions of what happened and on to what "sort of person" I am, I seem to ahve got dragged down to doing the same. Will not happen again.
You mean to say the recent Valencia was high on confidence? fecking hell. We're fecked.
He's been solid enough this season, I've been happy with his overall contribution and I would continue to play him 'til we sign a new right-back.
Antonio Valencia, seen here hugely under pressure with no immediate options:
Apart form Val obviously fecking up, what the hell is Edwards mkII doing there? Not only running in Valencia's way but also pointing hysterically back to DDG instead of probably getting into a position to pass the ball to.
It was an outrageously poor mistake but that happens from time to time. He wasn't our worst player at all last night. He clearly cares deeply, and that Facebook post makes me feel bad for him. Hopefully the manager can put an arm around him, let him know he still has faith and Tony can recover. With LvG's man-management skills, though, I'm not so sure that'll happen!
If you could refrain from making personal judgments about other caf members, I'd like to point out that I've already explained why your views on this incident are mental.
You chose to blame somebody who made possibly the wrong decision (but nothing worse than happened all over the pitch all evening and far from catastrophic) ahead of somebody who made a monumental cock-up that cost us the match. And then, to compound the weirdness, you accuse other people of blaming the player who made the minor mistake. It's really all quite strange.
Not sure what your point is. Having made the chest down (rightly or wrongly), the pass-back to De Gea was definitely the correct choice for Valencia, which presumably is why Jones is signalling to Valencia to do so.
But why, when we have Rafael?
I'm resigned to the fact that we won't be seeing Rafael again, but it's far from being a decision I agree with. I know who I'd play if I was the manager.
Just to be clear, this is allowed, yeah?
What I noticed yesterday is that Smalling and Jones werent exactly running like mad men after they saw that backpass cause they thought DDG will deal with it and when they saw he wont they started running more quickly but it was too late. If they started running to cover the goal right away or close Welbeck maybe they could have deal with it.
Most of us would play Rafael, yes, but obviously van Gaal has his reasoning. I still suspect Giggs may have had an impact on Rafael's position in the squad, because van Gaal has continued to play all our other injury prone defenders. Pure speculation on my part. Also, wasn't there talk of a player sending around a video of a woman performing a sexual act on himself within the dressing room? Again, pure speculation on my part. I don't know why he's been frozen out but he has.
LVG taking stick but that's man management. So why people give him stick i'll never know. If Valencia is fine he won't be dropped. I don't think LVG will want to kick a man when he's down.