This move is looking more and more promising by the day.
Antoine Griezmann
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Sounds good.
This looks quite promising, probably the transfer safa of the next summer.
Need Martial, Pogba and Morgan to tap him up.
And while they're at it, Ousmane too.
Dont think it would be much of a 'saga'; Woodward will just sign a cheque to pay his release clause, and that'll be about it. Woody's one of the most feared men in football now, no team is safe and no release clause is too high for him.This looks quite promising, probably the transfer safa of the next summer.
I love the player Antoine, but I don't think he will suit in our team or the way we are playing. I hope he comes though and hope I am proven wrong but somehow I don't fancy him play at United. Not at least now.
Pogba played CM with Antonio Conte and his first season with Allegri but last season he took the number 10 and the team was built around him. He started very badly but at the end, he made his record season (10 goals, 15 assists).
He played in a 352 with 2 defensive midfielder (Marchisio / Khedira) allowing him to have more freedom. Or in a false left winger position in a 442 against top sides ( Bayern Munich a few months ago in champions league)
http://i.eurosport.com/2016/02/22/1800594.jpg
He could play with Griezmann. They are very good friends and Pogba has already shown that he could be excellent with a SS ( Dybala ).
---------------------DeGea-------------------
Valencia-----Bailly----???------------Shaw
--------------Herrera-----???-------------------
????-------------------------------------Pogba
-------Griezmann----Martial------------
He played in a 352 with 2 defensive midfielder (Marchisio / Khedira) allowing him to have more freedom. Or in a false left winger position in a 442 against top sides ( Bayern Munich a few months ago in champions league)
http://i.eurosport.com/2016/02/22/1800594.jpg
He could play with Griezmann. They are very good friends and Pogba has already shown that he could be excellent with a SS ( Dybala ).
---------------------DeGea-------------------
Valencia-----Bailly----???------------Shaw
--------------Herrera-----???-------------------
????-------------------------------------Pogba
-------Griezmann----Martial------------
Curious.....how would Simeone set up the current club with/without Griezmann?
We need to make the CL for him to come here else Chelsea/Arsenal is where I see him.
Oh god that argument again ?
We got Mkhitaryan, Pogba and Di Maria all when we didn't have CL football. They will sign for the club that forks up the most money end of story and in case of Griezmann that will be us. Also he is a United fan and he dreams of playing for this club, do you really think he would pass up the option of playing for his dream club and pass up a bigger wage just because he doesn't want to miss the CL for one season ?
Both Sanchez and Hazard rejected us due to us not being in the CL for one season.
Sanchez maybe, but definitely not Hazard based on that. He moved in summer 2012, after we finished second in the league due to Aguero's last minute goal. Unless you have exclusive info on Hazard rejecting us in 2014/2016 summers.
What ? Hazard went to Chelsea in 2012 when we finished second in the league so we had CL. He went to Chelsea because Fergie refused to pay up a big sum of money in agent fees.
Sanchez went to Arsenal because LVG had spend a record fee on Di Maria and at United they would be playing sort of the same position. We were never going to get both even when we would have been in the CL. At the time Di Maria was also voted as the best player of the CL and instrumental for CL winners Real so many people tought we actually got the better player at that time.
Yeah you got it right with hazard but not sure it was agent fees.
Sanchez went to Arsenal cause we failed to qualify for the CL and he wanted a team that had qualified.
My balls would be dry from all the tugging if we signed him.
Imagine bringing Fellaini on for him as we chase a game
Even better. Just sign him up with no fuss
He'd pay £13m for someone from the Portuguese, French or Italian league and have them scoring just shy of 20 goals a seasons while working their arse into the ground for the team.
Sanchez signed for Arsenal a month and a half before you signed Di Maria.
Edit - that advert is brilliant!
I followed the Sanchez saga from the beggining. Liverpool thought they were in pole position because they were selling Suarez to Barce and wanted Sanchez in return. Sanchez met Wenger during the world cup and turned Liverpool down.
I never read anything about City or United contacting Barce or Sanchez's agent about a deal and I followed it every day. Now I'm not saying they didn't but if it they did it's news to me.
Hazard rejected us because we didnt want to pay his agent's fee , reputed to be around 6M.
It had nothing to do with the Champions League
Can't wait for this season to be over and we enjoy this transfer saga.
Won't hurt to put in a january bid equaling the release clause I reckon.
I don't think this is true unless you can secure UCL football.
The build up to the transfer window final is taking forever! Roll on 2017
Can see them buying that lad from Porto and him following a similar suit. Odd how in the last 10 years they've had fantastic goal scorers 1 after another.
Why would he come though? We're a mess
Can't stand his goal celebration though, I say no
You could have asked that to a lot of players. Pogba, Mkhi.. Di Maria before that.
If he likes us, if Atleti is willing to sell, we will bag him no matter how we are performing at that moment.
Griezmann is certainly dropping hints but its still hard for me to see him leaving next summer.
-He is hugely beloved at Atletico and is supposedly very loyal to the club and to Simeone.
-Atletico will have the transfer ban in place next summer (unless a very long shot appeal comes through)
-Simeone is clearly positioned to stay one more year after this one and then leave in Summer 2018.
-The 2017-18 season is very important to Atletico as they will be moving into their new stadium
Basically, everything lines up for Griezmann to leave at the same time as Simeone in summer 2018. Given that he has a release clause, it will be up to him next summer if and when some other club triggers that clause, but to leave next summer would really screw Atletico and Simeone and leave them in a very bad situation going into a very important year for the club. Athletes generally look out for themselves first so maybe he will do it anyway. But it still seems more likely that he is convinced to wait until summer 2018 to leave.
-He is hugely beloved at Atletico and is supposedly very loyal to the club and to Simeone.
-Atletico will have the transfer ban in place next summer (unless a very long shot appeal comes through)
-Simeone is clearly positioned to stay one more year after this one and then leave in Summer 2018.
-The 2017-18 season is very important to Atletico as they will be moving into their new stadium
Basically, everything lines up for Griezmann to leave at the same time as Simeone in summer 2018. Given that he has a release clause, it will be up to him next summer if and when some other club triggers that clause, but to leave next summer would really screw Atletico and Simeone and leave them in a very bad situation going into a very important year for the club. Athletes generally look out for themselves first so maybe he will do it anyway. But it still seems more likely that he is convinced to wait until summer 2018 to leave.
I think it depends on how Simeone feels about the burgeoning Carrasco, he's tearing it up this season and he might be fine with making £90M profit for Atleti and using Carrasco in the front 2 with Gameiro and of course they have Correa coming through as well. I'm not saying you're wrong mind you, just offering a possible alternative view.
Sanchez has been done to death and, all things considered, it made infinitely more sense to join Arsenal (for a non fan, obviously).
With Hazard you are looking at it the wrong way around, he wasn't joining Chelsea due to them not qualifying for the CL and looking rather hopeless (seemed like the start of a nosedive like the one we've had, Roberto fecking Di Matteo was managing them ffs!). Once they jammed that game with Bayern he changed tack and ended up signing for them.
I don't think being in the CL is all that important when you are talking about Manchester United. The question is more whether there's a manager, a setup/role and challenge that will be enticing for the player. Let's face it, who gives a shit about the CL if you are absolutely miles away from winning it? It's just an indication of a club going places (which, admittedly, we haven't been) but no one in their right mind would choose, say, Tottenham over us "because they made the CL". They'll crash and burn soon enough that it becomes irrelevant. Don't get me wrong or take this as arrogant/red tinted specs, there are plenty of reasons why someone may prefer moving to Spurs than us, but CL football definitely isn't one of them.
That's a good point. If the internal solutions are sufficient, then letting Griezmann go becomes less damaging for the club and the player might be more likely to accept a move. But Simeone will have to really, really like Carrasco and Correa to believe they could replicate what Griezmann currently brings to that team.
I really like that formation, I will fill in the blanks for you based on next seasons current squad + Griezmann.
David
Valencia - Bailly - Blind - Shaw
Herrera - Carrick
Mata/MickyT ----------------------- Pogba
Griezmann - Martial
Leaving out Zlatan isn't wise though, he's our main source of goalsValencia - Bailly - Blind - Shaw
Herrera - Carrick
Mata/MickyT ----------------------- Pogba
Griezmann - Martial
Very elegant solution for fitting both Pogba and Griezmann in the same XI without substantially encroaching upon either player's influence, has to be said. A bit like Simeone's Atlético 4-4-2 (sort of) over the years with Koke/Saúl as the left/right midfield floaters:
Wouldn't be a fundamentally alien position for Pogba, either:
United will have to press much better as a collective in the opposition half to truly bring the best out of the setup, though - like Atlético and Leicester, and you have to wonder if that's going to be sustainable with our fitness record.
Could definitely use another solid and complete central/defensive midfielder to go with Ander, as well as additional fullback(s), a central defender, and preferably a genuine wide right threat, too - since Simeone's has tailored his tactics to accommodate the burgeoning offensive threat of Carrasco.
Wouldn't be a fundamentally alien position for Pogba, either:
https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2016/04/23/analysis-allegris-structured-3-5-2/
United will have to press much better as a collective in the opposition half to truly bring the best out of the setup, though - like Atlético and Leicester, and you have to wonder if that's going to be sustainable with our fitness record.
Could definitely use another solid and complete central/defensive midfielder to go with Ander, as well as additional fullback(s), a central defender, and preferably a genuine wide right threat, too - since Simeone's has tailored his tactics to accommodate the burgeoning offensive threat of Carrasco.
Really interesting post, so in your opinion to suit this formation/team which specific players would you sign?Very elegant solution for fitting both Pogba and Griezmann in the same XI without substantially encroaching upon either player's influence, has to be said. A bit like Simeone's Atlético 4-4-2 (sort of) over the years with Koke/Saúl as the left/right midfield floaters:
Wouldn't be a fundamentally alien position for Pogba, either:
https://defendingwiththeball.wordpress.com/2016/04/23/analysis-allegris-structured-3-5-2/
United will have to press much better as a collective in the opposition half to truly bring the best out of the setup, though - like Atlético and Leicester, and you have to wonder if that's going to be sustainable with our fitness record.
Could definitely use another solid and complete central/defensive midfielder to go with Ander, as well as additional fullback(s), a central defender, and preferably a genuine wide right threat, too - since Simeone's has tailored his tactics to accommodate the burgeoning offensive threat of Carrasco.
You don't think Mkhitaryan would be a good fit on the right?
I'm sure somebody else can correct me, and by no means am I turning my nose up at a player that's scored 50 league goals in 87 games, but isn't he more of a supporting forward? Playing in that AML/AMC/AMR line behind a main forward? A quick glance at Atletico's XI in their last few games suggests he plays alongside either Gameiro or Torres. So does he fit in to what we do, or is he good enough for us to adjust to? Could he play as the central forward in a 4-3-3, and be the focal point? Because I think that's what we need. My knowledge of football outside of England (and inside of it, come to think of it) is sadly limited.
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