Get him in, play him behind Ibra and you'll see a major improvement to our goal scoring issues.
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I'm curious to see how we will use him because the purchase of Pogba makes less sense.
That's his best position, but, then Pogba will become less effective in a midfield 2, Herrera isn't DM, so, a DM will be needed, Mhkitaryan is not & has never been a winger, and even now, he's hardly out wide, he's a great player, but we could become even more unbalanced as a team if we sign him.
If this actually happens. It will be painful viewing. Mourinho trying to shoehorn in Pogba, Ibrahimovic and Griezmann. Rather than ditching the likes of Rooney and Ibrahimovic. Who only slow down play. People drastically over rate Zlatan's influence to our team. He is only capable of scoring one goal at best a game. When he plays no one runs in behind, he drops too deep and we create half chances and say we were 'unlucky' we didn't take our chances.
What they should really be saying is our football is not good enough to score these chances it's far too slow in build up with Zlatan.
If we used Rashford up front, with Martial, Mata and Mkhitaryan. Please would be able to run in behind, pass and split defenders.
I'd be worried if Ibrahimovic is still here he becoming the new Rooney. That guaranteed starter even when he's awful. Griezmann would be a fantastic signing but I don't want to see him come here to be Ibrahimovic's sideman. He should be the main man along with Martial, Mata and Mkhitaryan.
Ibrahimovic's goals don't compensate for his weaknesses which make those around him play worse than they are. We always try to force the ball to him to get us a goal rather than passing and moving and finding a goal naturally.
What they should really be saying is our football is not good enough to score these chances it's far too slow in build up with Zlatan.
If we used Rashford up front, with Martial, Mata and Mkhitaryan. Please would be able to run in behind, pass and split defenders.
I'd be worried if Ibrahimovic is still here he becoming the new Rooney. That guaranteed starter even when he's awful. Griezmann would be a fantastic signing but I don't want to see him come here to be Ibrahimovic's sideman. He should be the main man along with Martial, Mata and Mkhitaryan.
Ibrahimovic's goals don't compensate for his weaknesses which make those around him play worse than they are. We always try to force the ball to him to get us a goal rather than passing and moving and finding a goal naturally.
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I'm with those that can't be very excited about this. I mean, he spent that huge money on Pogba to fit him into a 4-2-3-1 and only changed it when it was obviously clear it wasn't going to work.
My muppet signing for sure and he would be brilliant in the hole behind Zlatan with Martial and Micky providing width - the reason we dont score much besides our poor finishing is because no one stays in the hole linking play and making runs into the box, Pogba drifts too much, Zlatan feels the need to drop deep and Rooney is just shit so when we do break we have one or no one in the box so we slow the play down and the opposition has time to regroup. Ideal signing for me so lets hope its true.
I would also be hoping that we sign a top class DM to play next to Pogba and a CB that is actually comfortable on the ball, that way we can get rid of Smalling who is all kinds of gash, then also we need a better right back as I'm not the biggest Valencia fan.
Should all be doable I reckon for a bargain price of 200M. Surely we would have to offload Rooney, Bastian, Young and Smalling or Rojo in the summer if we are to pay Griezmann a Pogba level salary and bring in a few others. Also our Adidas penalty will kick in with a consecutive failure in qualifying for the CL, so lets hope we can win the Europa as I'm 100% in the we are not finishing in top 4 camp.
I would also be hoping that we sign a top class DM to play next to Pogba and a CB that is actually comfortable on the ball, that way we can get rid of Smalling who is all kinds of gash, then also we need a better right back as I'm not the biggest Valencia fan.
Should all be doable I reckon for a bargain price of 200M. Surely we would have to offload Rooney, Bastian, Young and Smalling or Rojo in the summer if we are to pay Griezmann a Pogba level salary and bring in a few others. Also our Adidas penalty will kick in with a consecutive failure in qualifying for the CL, so lets hope we can win the Europa as I'm 100% in the we are not finishing in top 4 camp.
Shambles. Even Griezmann wouldnt help us currently. Another star name we need to fit in, we have the money currently, so lets just throw it at every potential world beater and hope he can drag us out. Question remarks still remain if we can get him and then how to put him in a team with Pogba
I don't see us getting the best out of our record 90mill signing Pogba if we go back to putting him in a midfield 2 to accommodate Greizman at 10.
Could it work? possibly, but everything we've seen from Pogba to this point indicates it won't.
Could it work? possibly, but everything we've seen from Pogba to this point indicates it won't.
Pogba in a MF 2 yesterday was much better than in a 3 in the first half. Some of those long passes were beautiful.
Yeah, feck signing one of the best players in the world who won't fit in with a midfielder who's been nothing close to that in his time here so far.
I mean it's not like our biggest problem is goalscoring and Griezmann almost guarantees 25-30 a season or anything.
I mean it's not like our biggest problem is goalscoring and Griezmann almost guarantees 25-30 a season or anything.
Indeed. Starts to look like sponsor-tastic galactico-style muppetry rather than a coherent strategy.
Pogba isn't good enough to compete with Griezmann, he will be eat alive and forced to work for Grizou. Since we have the money it's not a problem on that front but it makes you wonder if we actually have a plan. We look like a football club without direction that simply buys players because they look good for other teams.
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I reckon it would work, Carrick is not mobile at all and just sits deep, if we can buy a DM that is mobile and quick then Pogba could play a lot closer to Griezmann and have someone always available for the short pass and give and goes. At the moment Herrera also tends to sit deep with Carrick and then Pogba just runs around looking for the ball and then dwelling on it too long whilst looking for an incisive pass, he will either hit a tremendous 60 yard pass or try to give it to Zlatan 30 yards from goal because he will drop into the whole but that leaves us no one upfront if we turn the ball over. We are crying out for a 10 who can dictate play and run with the ball and take defenders on freeing up space for Pogba and also stopping our wide men drifting in too narrow. Thats the way I see it anyway and I thought Micky could have been that player but he seems better in a wider position.
Except Griezmann was originally a wide player, so he'd probably do alright. Granted, he has taken his game to another level after he was moved to center, so it'd be a daft thing to do, but let's not go overboard.
If we do get him, the most obvious thing (to me) would be to have him, Mkhitaryan and whomever else (Martial? Mata? Another signing?) in free roles behind the striker. Both Griezmann and Mkhitaryan are capable of playing on both wings and through the middle. I doubt either Mata or Martial would fit as the third one, but in an ideal scenario, Martial would displace Ibra. Though in this scenario, we'd have to find a midfielder to compliment Pogba in a two-man midfield. It would mean some pretty serious retooling, and I'm not sure if that would be the wisest course of action.
Nonsense. Mkhitaryan played 45 games out wide (both on the left and right wings) for Dortmund last season, and scored 22 goals and notched up 29 assists doing so. He's clearly capable of doing a job out wide.
nicely done. Your work?Guardian repoting this too - exciting.
I'm not sure it is possible for him to be less effective atm.
He (Pogba) doesn't seem tactically responsible enough to play in a midfield 2 from what we've seen. Just lets people go or jogs around when we're being overrun. Other issues too like dallying on the ball though thats a general issue rather than a positional one. At home you could see us getting away with it, away from home and against the big boys you'd fear we'd be exploited, especially in games we're not at our best.
If we purchased a ridiculously good DM to sit next to him, like you say, you could cover up his selective slackness to some extent, but it just feels like we'd be putting a square peg in a round hole.
At any rate, it's fair for some of us to question if you'd get the best from him there.
I don't doubt Griezman would be a success here.
Ya, It's depressing.
Ah okay
Mata can do a job out wide, is Mata a winger? Stop making silly arguments mate, Mkhitaryan is not a winger.
Ding ding ding ding.
The fact some don't realise this, or aren't worried about it, is weird.
Got to laugh at the ITK and his followers.
Called about 3 correctly so far. No reason for us to doubt him until he gets one wrong.
Maybe just maybe Jose knows why does he wants him and how he will use him.
This is my worry, but its all well and good, because the players "can do a job" in different positions and all that.
What about the 'big name who isn't currently playing for his club' who was meant to come in Jan that he called that seems to get swept under the carpet?
We need more goal threats in the team so there is sense here. Ibra has been great but is 35, Martial and Rashford are still developing their games and remain question marks under Mourinho, Rooney is finished.
Whats it got to do with Pogba? Also depth is always good
All sounds very right, unfortunately
I take it Griezmann definitely couldn't play up top by the way everyone is talking on here now?
Then we could have Pogba/Ibra behind, a new winger and Martial/Mhki on the other side, with Rashford as backup for the striker and Mata being rotated in where best.
AG could be used on the right. Put it this way Id rather have him with us than facing us next year.
I don't disagree, but the question is why we paid all the money for Pogba if we're then going to push him into a more limited role that a player a third of the price could do in order to accommodate Griezmann?
Now we've signed Pogba, unless Mourinho already thinks he's not good enough to build the team around, surely our transfer dealings should be based on buying players that work well in the system that gets the most out of him?
I assumed maybe wrongly that the most expensive player in your team, should be a focal point not a player forced to change drastically his game to fit into the team.(If we intend to be a good team)
And neither are depth players, so that argument shouldn't even be made.
More chance of us winning the league than us signing Weigl, no way on this earth he moves in summer.
I don't see much of a change for Pogba, he will still be chief creator and goal getting from the midfield area. ATM its what is infront of him that needs changing, only Ibra has enough goals from the forward line.
So where does Griezmann play for you?
Only way you can accommodate Pogba in his natural role with Griezmann is to play Griezmann out of position or to play a system with three at the back.
All sounds very right, unfortunately
I take it Griezmann definitely couldn't play up top by the way everyone is talking on here now?
Then we could have Pogba/Ibra behind, a new winger and Martial/Mhki on the other side, with Rashford as backup for the striker and Mata being rotated in where best.
Also look at how deep Pogba is playing pinging the ball up front to Ibra. I refuse to believe we signed him for that. We also need a midfielder to control the game. Pogba Isn't that guy. I've seen Fellaini play better 90mins than Pogba this season. Pogba looks good in flashes/moments. Jose has him too deep.
Maybe he does not trust Carrick/Herrera to do that sitting job.
We need to Get a proper midfielder like weigl, Verratti. To free Pogba further forward. Grizemann-Martial-Mhki-Mata-Rashford. We should build about these players not Ibrahimovic.
Don't get me wrong he scored more than I thought he would've, But it's not enough and his goals are detrimental to our style of play. Forcing the ball up the field playing route one. Doesn't compliment Martial-Mhki-Mata-Rashford Waste of talent to play such tumescent football.
Second half yesterday Greizmann could play where Rooney was. Pogba had a good second half. And there is nothing wrong with changing the current system anyway!
The players for that system are already here, Griezmann would be a good fit in it. But we haven't really seen it this season. We had 45 min of Marital up front, but he was being tasked with Ibra's responsibilities, rather than playing to the strengths you have highlighted.
That will be the way it goes for sure, but there's no doubt that it neuters Pogba's attacking instincts and asks him to adopt a defensive responsibility that I simply don't think he's capable of fulfilling. We might (and probably should) get away with it against teams like Hull at home, but I think we'll be over-run in bigger games.
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