In terms of footballing importance, Kondogbia was the best and they sold early because they needed money. Same thing with James Rodriguez the season before.
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In terms of footballing importance, Kondogbia was the best and they sold early because they needed money. Same thing with James Rodriguez the season before.
Probably waiting to see if they got CL football or not. Not having it weakens their negotiating position. It does look a bit dodgy and ill timed though.
Lacazette is miles ahead in terms of his development, but that is to be expected as he is older. I don't think Lacazette's ceiling is anywhere as high as Martial's, though. Make of it what you will, but Martial is known as the "next Henry" in France, which is some praise. He's extremely fast, has a good touch and can go past a man. He has a good eye for goal but is not a great finisher at the moment. The Welbeck comparison's are off, though - he is very direct and doesn't fall over trying to overplay it whenever he has a chance to shoot at goal.
Fair enough, that's an optimistic stance.
But surely if you take a step back and examine the deal pragmatically, you do realize we are taking a massive, massive, dare I say historically unprecedented risk by signing a player who's so unrefined and so inexperienced for the €60 million fee being reported. I'm really afraid of the kind of signals we're sending out with this deal and the repercussions it will have in the future when approach clubs for their young talents. That might have a domino effect and blow their expectations entirely out of the water. From watching him play last season, I never got the impression of a player who might warrant that kind of a fee (he'd had to be a generational type or atleast Top 3 range to do so), and I highly doubt a lot of folks would bracket him in the Top 10 European youngsters range (though that opinion might be carefully re-adjusted now that we're signing him).
That said, now that he's set to join I really do hope he comes good and becomes our version of whichever striking great one would like to compare him with.
Anyone who follows Ligue1 here?
In that case, it makes sense what happened. They can't really hold their best players anyway can't they? They lost Falcao last season and this season through loans.
That's true. However he represented a much lesser gamble considering he came to United for next to nothing
Had they qualified, they might keep their stance of not wanting to sell, we could of course offer even more silly money and get him, but thats hypothetical, just as you stating that we'd pay the even sillier money as a facht is also just pure speculation on your side.
Especially if the rumor of a split between their director(s?) and the coaching staff over the departure of Martial is true, they might be more inclined to turn down any offer and build on him even more before selling.
Quite a few reports saying he was available for much less earlier in the window. If true, you'd surely have bid then if he was a serious target all along.
Similar to the Fellaini deal, it's either a panic buy for a player who wasn't a serious target, or it's incompetence at the top to overpay so much for a player bring seriously considered for a while.
If the reports are true that he could cost £58m that is one of the most ludicrous signing fees ever.
How so? It's likely his price to go up after another season and being a France international(currently he's not) and being on a contract up until 2019.. They are not exactly cash strapped and already sold couple of players.
I've had a few hours to take in this news and I'm still pissed off. £36 million for a youngster that's scored 11 goals in 59 career apperances FFS, I'm at a complete loss, It's actually embarrassing.
If it was liverpool doing this type of business then we would all be laughing at them. Actually speaking of liverpool I would have prefered Benteke over this guy considering benteke was cheaper, Especially since benteke actually fits the way we play football now.
If it was liverpool doing this type of business then we would all be laughing at them. Actually speaking of liverpool I would have prefered Benteke over this guy considering benteke was cheaper, Especially since benteke actually fits the way we play football now.
I didn't have a point really. Just didn't understand why you were adding things which didn't happen. I like milk tokens.It's just all the other shit we are linked with. I know we did good business but as far as other teams' fans think we were after everyone.
Yes, they have no hesitation when it comes to selling if the asking price is met and this no matter how important the player is. Abdennour (their best and most consistent CB) left this summer too. Waiting this long to sign Martial doesn't benefit Utd I think.
And what is frustrating me is that we seem not keen in stopping players from leaving. During this week alone we're probably selling/loaning 5 players (Valdes, DDG, Januzaj, Evans and Chicarito). How the hell are we going to replace them in less than 48 hours?
But he doesn't have any PL experience...
Neither does Ganghi...
Neither does Ganghi...
The thing is, no one knows what these extras are. They could be over the next 10 years or silly clauses like subject to winning the ballon d'or.
We're taking far too few risks on the pitch so at least we're willing to take a risk off it. If he does turn out to be a flop it's just wasted money. Who cares? At least we're taking a chance on a potentially world class player again rather than shying away from the numbers as we saw with Lucas Moura. I reckon you were one of the first ones to jump on the "I can't believe we didn't sign Moura because of a few million" bandwagon when it happened. You love a good moan no matter what way it lands.
He seems like a Depay buy - he is not a panic buy as we have scouted him for a while, but other circumstances made it necessary to sign him now - when maybe we would have preferred to do it 12 months later.
He also added that whether Monaco qualify for CL or not was a factor and that we decided to act quickly because many other clubs were getting interested. Obviously he wasn't our first choice but people need to stop acting as if they know everything based on what they read on internet and think they know what goes behind the scenes. Nobody has a clue exactly when these discussions started between the clubs, what were the negotiation points etc. Just because news broke yesterday doesn't mean it was initiated yesterday.
Sometimes it is better to use bit of common sense and believe that people who run such a big club know a thing or two about what to do when.
Feck 'em. 'Newspapers' write outright lies because they think it shifts papers - I don't believe for a minute any United fans were buying the papers on the basis that we were 'Set to Sign Neymar for £170m!' but it gives twats something to talk about...
The fact you can quantify it means it is not infinite. Anyway, regardless, I don't see why it is in any way reasonable the fee of this player.
Wut ? He has a strict €80 million buyout clause, not far from what we're paying for this lad.
http://www.marca.com/en/2015/08/17/en/football/spanish_football/1439831431.html
And at the start of the summer it was €65 million.
http://www.marca.com/en/2015/05/07/en/football/spanish_football/1431025197.html
It doesn't matter what the clauses are, a base fee of £36m potentially rising to £58m should not be buying you a 19 year old unproven kid. City have just signed the Bundesliga POTY for pretty much the same total fee, and people were even criticising that.
Why are you concerned with this? I couldn't care less.
In the past we could take more risks since we had a solid backbone with Rio, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs and RVP. We could buy a number of gambles (Ronaldo, Zaha, Bellion etc) because we knew that others will bail us out in times of need. We don't have that anymore. Our goalkeeper is crap, our CB are shaky, we lack quality on the flanks and Rooney is a shadow of his former self. Also you don't spend 37m on a gamble. That's mental
Bit of a rawkish reaction there dude.
This.. People are losing their shit for no good reason as per usual.
Blame the plastic clubs for ruining the market and making everyone greedy. Bit rich of you talking about ludicrous spending when City have been at it for years and have spent over 150million this summer (or there abouts) with Sterling and De Buyne costing how much?...
I highly doubt we are paying that sort of money for an unproven talent. Its just the press taking advantage of United's situation and making hay out of it.
We reported got Schweinstiger for 6 million rather than the reported 16million after all.
I think we need to take a chill pill on this.
We reported got Schweinstiger for 6 million rather than the reported 16million after all.
I think we need to take a chill pill on this.
Like he said, an initial 36m isnt too bad. If he turns out to be a world beater, we will pay gladly the rest. That said, de Bruyne was a steal compared to Martial.
For this amount of money (apparently) I'd genuinely rather have a younger English (in the England squad) Harry Kane, just throwing it out there...
I suggest you stop "throwing it out there.."
€80M 
feckng hell, wtf, no way is he worth that, I mean he's talented an all but.... Carrasco, Origi, Batshuayi are all just as talented and didn't go for ridiculous fees like that, even Depay €30M is fairly priced but this is crazy even at €50M let alone €80. Feck it, don't sign him, don't sign anyone
feckng hell, wtf, no way is he worth that, I mean he's talented an all but.... Carrasco, Origi, Batshuayi are all just as talented and didn't go for ridiculous fees like that, even Depay €30M is fairly priced but this is crazy even at €50M let alone €80. Feck it, don't sign him, don't sign anyonesome reports say it's exactly how much we're paying for this lad.(of course subject to disbelief)
Remind me what you lot paid for Mangala?
Harry Kane is 3 years older.
That clause is only binding with respect to other Spanish clubs though.
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