The moment Ole leaves he calls in sick and asks for a transfer. Says everything
No work ethic at all
No work ethic at all
Anthony Martial | Sevilla loan watch
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Does it surprise you? He was Olecoddled for far too long.
Well, this loan spell has only further damaged his reputation.
We have this guy on 240k a week….. let’s that sink in!!
Deary me !! and chelsea has mason mount at this moment in time on £80g per week says it all. ETH & staff has all this mess to sort out whilst re-building United that's why we have to support him at all costs even if Sky sports and the rest of the media want him sacked already.
Just to clarify - I hope he leaves. Was a big fan once but anybody with such a dreadful attitude in a United shirt should be shipped out immediately for me. I'd prefer to see Pellestri / Diallo / Mejbri given those minutes next year alongside some reinforcements, but as I say, don't think we'll be able to bring enough bodies in this summer to allow us to discard of Martial.
A pre-season with a proper coach having been basically humiliated in Sevilla might rejuvinate him somewhat, who knows.
Mount is on 80 per week? Is that really true?
James is on £58k a week. Both were negotiating new contracts before the Abramovich business though.
Didnt know that, makes our business regarding salaries even more baffling if it wasnt disastrous already.
Our salaries are atrocious..
240K Martial, 375K DDG, 200K Rashford, Henderson 100K, Sancho: 350K, Varane: 340K, Maquire: 190K, Bruno: 240K, Luke Shaw: 150K, Lindelof: 120K, even bloody Telles: 100K....And of course you have Ronaldo but I get it....
We are a mess of a club....not only players but the entire structure is a mess
240K Martial, 375K DDG, 200K Rashford, Henderson 100K, Sancho: 350K, Varane: 340K, Maquire: 190K, Bruno: 240K, Luke Shaw: 150K, Lindelof: 120K, even bloody Telles: 100K....And of course you have Ronaldo but I get it....
We are a mess of a club....not only players but the entire structure is a mess
I think that is a big part of it though, we gift big contracts out far too easily. the players are happy to be here for the money but don't actually care for trophies.
For them life is complete already. We need to be a lot more careful with our wage structure in the future. Save the big money for genuine stars.
Apparently Joel Glazer absolutely loved Martial and compared him to Pele, so it's not surprising they got duped into giving him big money.
Those wages are obscene...and unwarranted.
Why is the club so insecure that they think they have to pay vastly inflated wages to get players here or keep existing players "happy"
Makes the club look weak and foolish doing this and I'd say that it also has a perverse effect on the players. In any industry, if you overpay staff you'll eventually demotivate them and reduce productivity.
The better option is to keep them well paid and reward them for achieving goals/targets.
ETH doesn't need our support. He needs the board's support.
My gut feeling tells me that the board will put the players ahead of ETH and when the players throw ETH under the bus (which they will, 100% sure of that), ETH will be fired and we'll hit the reset button again.
Lets hope we can get rid. Looser mentality
Absolutely, and this is why Ralf R was brought in.
He is good at assessing what is wrong and what needs to change. My issue is that the board are not going to listen to his recommendations and will continue down the same road that they have been going.
So far, they've hired ETH (but they previously hired Jose, LVG, Moyes, etc, so that's not a change in philosophy), but I don't see there being any attempts to get the players who are clearly not cut out for MUFC, out of the club. They need to be swift and move as quickly as possible, otherwise, it'll be another 20 years before we win a league title.
Yep.
Too many fans are pandering to players who are absolutely crap!
Not only that but there are some deluded fans who believe that ETH will sprinkle fairy dust and make everything okay. Life doesn't work like that.
To change our trajectory, hard decisions need to be made and so far I've seen very little of that.
Just sell him for 10 million. Or gift him for free. Or anything. No one will take him otherwise. We are looking at paying 250k/week to a literal paperweight. Anything from this point on is a total loss.
Tony Martial went to Spain
They said he'd never play for United again
But he'll come back and play
Because he's on 35 grand a day
They said he'd never play for United again
But he'll come back and play
Because he's on 35 grand a day
@sunama
ETH hasn't started yet? Maybe he can come in first and then make those decisions. Decide who needs to go and what players he wants to keep.
ETH hasn't started yet? Maybe he can come in first and then make those decisions. Decide who needs to go and what players he wants to keep.
We clearly think money grows on trees. Paying Martial and Rashford the wages they'd received IF they fulfilled their potential, but before that, for no apparent reason. Bang average players like Telles and perma-bench ones like Henderson getting 100K is just taking the piss.
Martial epitomises talent is nothing without hard work.
It's no wonder we have so many egos in the squad who believe they have made it and the sun shines out their arses. We pay them the sort of wages that clubs like Bayern, Liverpool and City only hand out to star players who have proven their worth.
If a person interprets money as a reflection of self worth then in Rashford eyes he's every bit as valuable as Mo Salah. It's a stupid and irresponsible way to run a club. Woodward, man, what a clown.
Martial is going to score over 20 goals for us next season. Nothing to base that on other than a gut feeling and I have a substantial gut.
Martial sulks at every opportunity and has been pretty crap as a player for us, for a while. You are ignoring that and instead of going on your gut feeling, which you admit is totally illogical.
This is exactly the kind of thought process that has seen us overpay for mediocre footballers. Rather than cutting ties with the likes of Rashford, Martial, Pogba, etc, we hang onto them in the blind hope that one day, they'll come good. Even now, the board are hoping that Pogba signs a big contract. Some fans think that the club are changing the way they run things....they are not. Their way of thinking is exactly the same - hang onto mediocrity, pay big transfer fees and the highest wages, and then hope that turds can be polished.
You're taking me a lot more seriously than I take myself.
It was a while ago now, but I got flogged here for suggesting that selling Martial for 10m would be good business for us. At this point I can’t even imagine another club taking Martial on a free transfer. It may be best for all involved that we just run down the contract and not even ask him to come to training.
Being a member of Southern Hemisphere Paperweight Society I take umbrage to the fact you compare Martial with a paperweight. Every paperweight I have ever known have tried to do their job to the best of their ability. Unlike that useless lump.
Even giving him away is a problem. We near enough gave him away to Sevilla and he wasn't motivated to put in effort.
So if you're a prospective side looking at taking Martial on a free, why would you even think about offering him terms close to what he has come to expect?
And if you're Martial why would you even think of taking a massive pay cut when you know you're simply not that bothered about performing.
Nope, it's a bad situation.
So if you're a prospective side looking at taking Martial on a free, why would you even think about offering him terms close to what he has come to expect?
And if you're Martial why would you even think of taking a massive pay cut when you know you're simply not that bothered about performing.
Nope, it's a bad situation.
That's why selling him last summer was the right move. Martial FC got on your back for even suggesting it though.
Same reason we shouldn't extend De Gea. Let his contract run out. No one will take him and he's not the future unless ETH is going for something drastically different than he was doing at Ajax.
What a redemption if he can come good under ETH
That's about the size of it isn't it? The way this club has handed out contract extensions like sweets beggars belief. I hope they stick with Ten Hag and let him do what he needs to do, even if that means ditching club 'assets.'
How'd he play a part in getting Mourinho sacked? Sure he was poor in Mourinho's first season, but he spent the next 18 months comfortably outperforming everyone else on the left wing whenever he actually got a chance, but Mourinho blatantly didn't like him and kept trying to play Rashford then Sanchez ahead of him despite them playing significantly worse.
In fact a large reason that Mourinho didn't get sacked earlier was because he bit the bullet and put Martial back in as first choice on the left, who (along with Pogba) then dragged the team to a bunch of good results. That kept Mourinho in a job for a couple of months longer than he should have been.
Him falling apart these last two seasons obviously played a part in the failures under Ole which saw him get sacked, but certainly not Mourinho.
For better or worse (probably worse), he'll probably get a shot to save his career here. Can't see anyone buying him with those wages.
He’ll be another that we constantly loan out until his deal is up just because of his insane salary
This would actually be a breach of the employers responsibility and a breach of contract. If Martial does not show up for practice the club can eventually pursue legal action, and vice cersa if the club denies him the right to attend his workplace
If Rashford is going to get another chance, then so should this guy.
Is that really so? United have a contractual obligation to pay his wages, but it has no obligation to play him in competitive matches. Why would it would be a breach to not welcome him back to training so long as we keep paying his wages?
I disagree, the board all most clubs are pushed to sacking managers through fan base reactions at stadiums, social media and the normal tv/radio channels. Mourinho was ditched as he had supposedly "lost the dressing room" etc and we as fans backed it as we thought the players were doing there bit for club. Under the microscope, Mourinho and more recent managers, we have now seen the wood for the trees and with a few exceptions, well documented on here, we are pretty much satisfied the players are the main problem through lack of application or otherwise. ETH will need our 100% support as the media is baying for blood and it will be a tough rebuild. Moving players on on high wages will be a feat in itself with the some of the ridiculous contracts handed out. I suspect ETH's team will not allow players to throw him under the bus and if the board reacts in that way again it would be negligent in my book.
Well let's make sure he's fully gone by the end of the summer. Hopefully this is an expensive lesson for the board that they actually learn something from.