It's sad to say, but as I've said before, he is exactly what he has shown he is throughout his career. Talented, with flashes of that talent, but unable to consistently perform.
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Plagued by injuries just knocks the confidence out of him. As you said flashes but not many I can remember. £5/10million I’d take him for him now. He’s 27, prime years and showing nothing but a busted tyre every couple of months after being pumped up again. Bad example but you get the point
Even before the injuries he was a streaky player. Though I agree, the injuries have exacerbated the problem. He couldn't perform consistently at Sevilla either. It's the player, sadly. He just isn't up to it.
We've looked like a worse team since he's come back into the game.
His hold up play is awful, he's terrible in the air and he just is not involved in the game enough. Consistency has always been a problem and he doesn't exactly start the "press" with ETH wants his team's to do.
We've got a few issue's with the team, and Martial is a factor. Sometimes we do not play to his strengths by pumping the ball long (De Gea is terrible for this as he cannot play out from GK) but overall Martial's contribution to the team is average at best.
Top class strikers win you games. We haven't got one
His hold up play is awful, he's terrible in the air and he just is not involved in the game enough. Consistency has always been a problem and he doesn't exactly start the "press" with ETH wants his team's to do.
We've got a few issue's with the team, and Martial is a factor. Sometimes we do not play to his strengths by pumping the ball long (De Gea is terrible for this as he cannot play out from GK) but overall Martial's contribution to the team is average at best.
Top class strikers win you games. We haven't got one
Afraid of 50/50’s to add to his ever growing weak attributes
I’ve been on team Martial for 8 years but watching him play the last few appearances has been far more annoying than Wout. Pulling out of the 50-50 properly wound me up as did him falling over after a good turn that left us 3 against 2.
I thought he was decent last night but man he doesn't score anymore these days, does he? You just don't expect him to score a goal anymore atm.
He's bound to have a decent game in one of the remaining fixtures and then this thread will be flooded by those claiming he's back.
He's been trash since he came back though, better than Wout but that's not a bar any striker should be measured against.
He's been trash since he came back though, better than Wout but that's not a bar any striker should be measured against.
At this point it's sad to see the abuse and vitriol thrown his way by United fans. To be fair I feel he had a below average performance yesterday (some of his usually immaculate touches were off), but it wasn't a horrible performance by any means. He still created chances, demonstrated decent hold up play and tried to cut off passing lanes.
I still think right now, he's the best CF option for us but that will probably change in the summer. The main problem yesterday was the (as he often displays) lack of desire to get in the box and score the ugly goals. Sort of like the anti-Cavani.
I still think right now, he's the best CF option for us but that will probably change in the summer. The main problem yesterday was the (as he often displays) lack of desire to get in the box and score the ugly goals. Sort of like the anti-Cavani.
And then getting up very slooooowly while the Brighton players around him raced away to support the counter.
Guaranteed there will still be fans saying "give him one more season..." and continuing with the myth of "well, a fully fit Martial..." It's all nonsense.
He should have gone years ago. One of my biggest criticisms of him about five or so years ago was how poor he was off the ball. And he still hasn't improved in that aspect. His off-the-ball movement is pathetic. He really needs to go, ASAP.
He should have gone years ago. One of my biggest criticisms of him about five or so years ago was how poor he was off the ball. And he still hasn't improved in that aspect. His off-the-ball movement is pathetic. He really needs to go, ASAP.
Martial is perfect example of what is wrong with MU. Imagine Pep and how long he would've kept Martial. Six months? Maybe a year. Same with Fred.
Mate, Martial was horrible last night.
If he doesn't start a game well he will basically be shite for the entirety of it. He's either on it or he's not.
Just so long as this summer Ten Hag is not one of them.
I dont know what it is about players like Martial and Sancho that some people will relentlessly delude themselves that all it takes is them being fit or having a run of games.
Like they're on the cusp of greatnessness despite putting in strings of 0/10 performances.
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Exactly.
This is why big clubs move players on.. it isn't personal. They simply must. Martial being there lowers both the standards and expectations at Manchester United for players.
Exactly this. Martial and Fred wouldn't last a year under Pep. You serve up shit on the pitch and he will spend another 60 or 70 million until he gets it right.
We hang onto dross in the hope they come good, 5 years later and we still saying same thing.
He's going to get next season. We won't be able to sell him this summer. He'll run down his contract and leave on free without extension, just like Pogba.
We should have sold him a long time ago. Now we're stuck with him till his contract runs down.
It's also kinda unlucky that he sucked hard in that Sevilla loan. Could have helped us getting rid of him, but it just exposed him further unfortunately.
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Why? He's done shag all for 3 years?
He shouldn't see another minute in a Utd shirt.
The less this guy plays, the better he gets on here.
The more he plays the more people ask what he offers.
The more he plays the more people ask what he offers.
He was a bit shit yesterday, but he was still far more threatening than Wout. Help up the ball well at times, made a good link up with Fred to be played in a 1-on-1 with keeper (which he missed), he completed a couple of good dribbles beating players and opening space.
It's not much and I'm not saying he's done enough to deserve being here long term, but I don't expect him to go in the summer. Because no one will take him and signing 2 strikers instead of 1 will be very difficult. He might not be justifying his £250k pw salary but from a pure football perspective he's clearly still the better player to have in the team compared to Wout. I'd rather play anyone as a striker than the latter, including McTominay. Even Welbeck is clearly better.
It's not much and I'm not saying he's done enough to deserve being here long term, but I don't expect him to go in the summer. Because no one will take him and signing 2 strikers instead of 1 will be very difficult. He might not be justifying his £250k pw salary but from a pure football perspective he's clearly still the better player to have in the team compared to Wout. I'd rather play anyone as a striker than the latter, including McTominay. Even Welbeck is clearly better.
Rinse and repeat, I said 3 years ago that he should have been sold.
Not true though.
He was justifiably getting praised by both fans and the manager for his performances early in the season. Not for his absences. With his injuries, the moaning started.
He's been largely poor since he got back and the same old criticisms from the Ole era re-emerged.
pretty much sums it up. Was he the worst one out there, nope. Overall was just ok. Def more than anything Wout could ever hope to provide.
If being better than wout is the bar, it’s a pretty low bar.
If he stays next year it’ll be bordering on scandalous
He's been pretty poor since that Sevilla game, hopefully he can turn his form around for the remainder of the campaign.
It will be scandalous if he decides not to leave? There's no guarantee anyone will come in for him. He has a contract here until 2024. Wout doesn't.
I feel the same about Rashford, except he will sometimes score too.
It’ll be scandalous if we don’t move heaven and earth to get him out the door.
Any money we get back at this point (or don’t spend on his wages) would be a bonus
Is he a better player now than when he joined us at 18-19 years of age?
Nope.
Nope.
Christ, I completely forgot about that Sevilla loan. I think everyone has. Yeah, he really should've gone a few seasons ago, when we could have still got some money for him. United are so bad at recruitment and selling.
In the case of Martial, it just became a cliche to the point where people just thought it was self-evidently true so just kept repeating it, despite the evidence to the contrary.
They have a nice touch
Think the injuries have had a massive impact on him. He looks way slower and way less agile. 19/20 he was quite good throughout. Constant injuries since then.
Yeah this is definitely a big part of it. They look silky with the ball but then they're moving half the speed of everyone else on the pitch. Physically and mentally.
Pretty ridiculous opinion tbh, clouded by emotions.
We already have to sign a striker to replace Ronaldo, who Wout was merely covering from. That would make Martial a bench player again. We will not move heaven and earth to get a bench player out of the club. It simply isn’t that important. And especially for a player with feck all value in the market, due to being on his final year of contract and on ridiculous wages.
Even giving him away for free and “saving” £10m on his salary, it isn’t a saving as that would mean spending £50m+fee and salary on yet another striker, in the same window, to replace him. And our budget is finite so we’ll have other priorities to focus on instead of going spending it all on the striker position.
We need to buy two centre forwards in the summer. One starter, one backup.
Martial has to go, unreliable and pretty shit when he is actually fit and playing.
People have wrong idea about giving away player for free.
The giving away for free cases often mean subsidizing the remaining contract (wage), so the players get paid (fully or partially) and happy to leave for new club. Rooney move to Everton was an example. There was no saving. Just ridding a problematic political issue with a captain that have little involvement with new regime. Most recent notable example is Arsenal paying Aubameyang to terminate his contract, and he moved as free agent to Barcelona.
So there is no saving, even clubs don't require a transfer fee from other clubs.
Selling Martial is like impossible. Giving him away as explained is not saving money. So unless some clubs offer to loan Martial and pay him his wage, we're obligated to lose the wage in that contract to him.
Even when he was poor in the past you could generally bank on him tucking it away when through 1 on 1 but it was such a poor finish the other night
I've no hard feelings toward the guy but it's surely done for him here now
I've no hard feelings toward the guy but it's surely done for him here now
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