I have always felt and said that he to me is a second striker that needs to come deep and carry the ball. I remember under LVG or Jose, when he did it once and it ended up in an amazing goal. He has got so much talent. He defends too and I think he should think seriously as he would have a very good chance under RR if he makes an effort.
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I have always felt and said that he to me is a second striker that needs to come deep and carry the ball. I remember under LVG or Jose, when he did it once and it ended up in an amazing goal. He has got so much talent. He defends too and I think he should think seriously as he would have a very good chance under RR if he makes an effort.
Has there been any rumours of anyone coming in for him in January?
Not anything major as far as we know. There's not really a huge pool for him to choose from given his wages.
People actually want to see this guy play for United when he's already said he wants to leave in January 
He doesn't want to fight for his spot, so no he doesn't deserve a chance.
100% those posters will be gone when "Anto" leaves. Good riddance.
He doesn't want to fight for his spot, so no he doesn't deserve a chance.
100% those posters will be gone when "Anto" leaves. Good riddance.
The majority of "those posters" have been a member of this forum longer than Martial has played for us.People actually want to see this guy play for United when he's already said he wants to leave in January
He doesn't want to fight for his spot, so no he doesn't deserve a chance.
100% those posters will be gone when "Anto" leaves. Good riddance.
Should slowly but surely look for a replacement for him, Cavani and Ronaldo. We are left to the bare bone up front if these all leave in the summer.
Ralf wants to hear it directly from Anthony himself, not his agent, that he wants a transfer in January. I hope Anthony has it on him to have this conversation. He needs to go.
Crazy how often the same thing is said about our players! So many have underperformed but are on wages that do not reflect their contribution.
Very disrespectful of players to talk via agents to the press. If a player/agent on his behalf goes to the manager and says he wants to leave, unless you're talking to Daniel Levy, no one is going to force you to stay to run down your contract...especially not for a player like Martial at a club like Man United. Probably building up a case for himself saying he wanted out rather than the club threw him out for poor performances.
Think people need to realise he isn’t on the 200k-250k that so many caf members keep mentioning. He is on around 150-170k which is still high but the rest is a breakdown of possible earning if targets are met and bonuses achieved.
So if someone wants him which I feel fairly confident there will be takers for him from a big European club so I see no issue in him finding a club if he wants to go.
Honestly when he’s at his best he’s a fantastic player with so much talent and we’ve been saying it for years but at this point even though I agree he maybe could excell in a two it’s probably time for him to go for himself as much as us. Ronaldo and Cavani will be first choices and Rashford will probably get picked on name, plus homegrown. Greenwood probably not far behind so makes sense for him to ask to leave.
Will be interesting if both he and Cavani leave at the same time.
So what? Over time they've become more a fan of the player than the club.
I'm not talking about people that were hopefully or thought he would come good 'till the very end. I'm talking about those that want to see him play now, after his agent has said he wants to leave (therefore not wanting to fight for a spot under new management).
Wrong, VDB for example was forced to stay.
Loved reading those comments from him. Politely worded but at the same time telling him to man the feck up and for agents to shut the hell up.
Players have been getting away with shit for too long.
Even his profile picture here shows you just how tired and sick of ManUnited he is.
I really like the fact that Ragnik when asked now that Martial's agent has said this stuff, if he will ask Martial to clarify his stance, he said NO! He doesn't go to players based on stuff being said in the media by their agents. If players want out, it's on them to go to him or the board. As it should be.
Feel like I’m missing something here, because under Ole this guy had ample chances to play himself back into form, he was given his no.9 back and played in his preferred central position even though it was clear as day he is better from the left.
Now he is training but telling the Dr he has too much pain to play, but wants to leave because of lack of playing time. I don’t get it.
Now he is training but telling the Dr he has too much pain to play, but wants to leave because of lack of playing time. I don’t get it.
Pretty sure one of Everton or Newcastle were linked, if not both. He's perfect for both, that's for sure.
Barca, Lyon and PSG.
RR is right. It is an agent mouthing off at this time. If Martial wants to move then he should ask the club. If his heart is not at United then he should ask and move. If he wants to play then he should the manager and make an effort. He has a clean slate now so if he wants put his head down and play. he is much more talented than Rashford and would probably be good in a RR team.
I think already Elanga is proving more useful (not necessarily skilful) then Martial for this squad.
Completely different situations since VdB had only been here for a season and we were not going to give up on a player so easily. Plus there were no real offers for him. The only thing was a loan offer not even covering his wages right before the window closed.
Thought he was a far better player than Depay when both were here. Now he's even worse than Depay. Sad to say his career with us is over.
Whining through his agent. I really hope he leaves in January.
Has anybody let Martial know he could take a paycut...to get his preferred move. I hope we don't loan him out. Elanga not good enough though and I don't think he will ever be...no technical ability whatsoever.
You lost me at he defends too
This isn't rocket science. The second striker has to be a playmaking type who tends to defer. Naturally the two names coming to people's minds are Sancho and Martial. You can't jump on people not to talk about him and you can't tell the manager not to play him.
Surely it's to be his last chance so if he continues sucking on the pitch then we offload him knowing we did our due diligence. Yet some are so foolish that merely suggesting to try salvage an asset we pay good money for is taboo. "Why try? no need, just offload him yesterday. We can always buy a new one". Calm down, shut up and wait for time to expose the bad players under the new manager.
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If you cant carry the ball out wide you certainly won't be able to do so in a central attacking position. Martial has gone backwards the last few years and lost his confidence completely. Maybe he can find his form again at Man Utd but I highly doubt it.
We aren't forced to play him every game for him to regain his form, we have other currently better players. He needs to move to a lesser club and become "The main man" and maybe then he will return to form.
Who said anything about playing him every game. That's an Ole thing to field your 11 most talented players every game and hope they catch fire. Under managers that have a clue different parts are tried. Their previous form is irrelevant right now. Our best midfielder is now Fred and our best attacker has been Sancho, players with suspect form under the last guy. If you have the answers who do you know for sure is going to be best in the deeper striker role?
Hope you're right but I don't see him fitting in this system at all. Martial likes to play with his back turned to the goal, he seldom runs in channels and likes to dribble at any opportunity. None of that fits in the direct football Ragnick wants to implement.
You're this confident in writing off a 17 year old you've probably seen play 3 times who has recently made it into the Swedish first team?
I don't think Rangnick wants to implement that kind of direct football where those skills aren't useful. They are. His teams counter but in possession use a lot of short passing attacking tiki taka in the box. Skills needed include more than just running into channels like Jose's attack had Young and Lukaku spamming. It's attack with possession principles not the brainless kick and rush we've had the last 5 years. Build up should no longer be those attacks where Bruno gets the ball and every single person runs off of him and into channels. There will be actual buildup.
Martial has bulked up with the intention of becoming an out and out CF that plays with his back to goal, and thus losing any explosive pace when carrying the ball he had. Have you seen how poor his movement is off the ball?
And regarding the LVG, Jose stuff, you do realise that was 5 years ago? He hasn't defended since he signed that new contract.
With Cavani wanting out and likely to be going we are left with Ronaldo, Greenwood, Rashford and Martial as the four senior options for the two striker roles. Martial is the only one of the lot with the link up ability, when on form, to play as second striker particularly as Ronaldo's partner so it makes sense to give him a chance than to sell and hope we buy a replacement in winter. But he has to show the manager that he wants a chance.
pretty gutted Cavani wants to leave. Ole left a somewhat messy situation in attack with quite a number ready to jump ship, 2 of 5 attackers reportedly wanting to leave. Three of six if you count Lingard. That money should probably have been spent on midfield but bad managers don't know much beyond buying bigger and bigger names to bail them out. The purpose of building a team is already being defeated. We also shouldn't have let him stay the season to completely undo the few good things he did. Next guy is now getting a weaker version of this squad guaranteed.
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You can accuse Martial of not trying, losing possession, bad demeanor etc, but you can't accuse him of not defending.
You're right, his defending for the opposition team is second to none, when he plays we can't score at all
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Not sure if serious....
Oh wait you said it twice, for reference FBRef has him in the bottom 3rd percentile for tackles by forwards across top 5 leagues. Bottom 10th percentile for pressures.
Oh wow look a bit deeper and he made 1 tackle in the PL last year.
Wow, you've demolished him there.
Also, how is it possible to have stats that bad, even as an attacker? Rubbish attitude.
When you look at Martial and maybe even Pogba you really have some serious serious talent. Maybe at a smaller club you could build around that talent...you would achieve less because one player can’t win you things on his own...but the player would obviously stand out...in the memories of fans etc.
I think of players like Payet and Di Canio at West Ham, Juninho at Middlesbrough, Jay Jay at Bolton - hundreds of them as I sit here... All incredibly talented players whose fans and teammates lifted up to a higher status at their respective clubs due to the fact that their talents and abilities were embraced...and subsequently the player seemed to improve and flourish. That’s why it’s usually unique to a players certain time at a certain club and is rarely replicated to the same extent once they move on.
Perhaps at a top club with the expectations of winning consistently, players like Martial and Pogba will not be remembered as fondly As they could have been at lesser clubs...they won’t stand out or be appreciated as much.
That could be a good thread actually- amazing players due their relationship with a particular club...does Eric qualify? I would say so...I think Martial could have been/can be that type of player if he finds the right club.(not to Eric’s level of course!)
I think of players like Payet and Di Canio at West Ham, Juninho at Middlesbrough, Jay Jay at Bolton - hundreds of them as I sit here... All incredibly talented players whose fans and teammates lifted up to a higher status at their respective clubs due to the fact that their talents and abilities were embraced...and subsequently the player seemed to improve and flourish. That’s why it’s usually unique to a players certain time at a certain club and is rarely replicated to the same extent once they move on.
Perhaps at a top club with the expectations of winning consistently, players like Martial and Pogba will not be remembered as fondly As they could have been at lesser clubs...they won’t stand out or be appreciated as much.
That could be a good thread actually- amazing players due their relationship with a particular club...does Eric qualify? I would say so...I think Martial could have been/can be that type of player if he finds the right club.(not to Eric’s level of course!)
Regarding Martial, I think it would have been much better for his career for him to start out at a Newcastle, stick around for 3 years and focus on becoming a consistent goal scorer, then get a move to a bigger PL club once he’s proven, like the likes of Saha did or Cole etc.
He’s moved to United with no experience and found it hard to nail down a starting position, doesn’t know if he wants to be a CF or a LW, and seems to flick between them depending on where there’s less competition for places. He needs to play games but he’s no where near good enough to start for United.
I'd normally agree except his first season was very good. Then he was very good again season before last.
So he's had it in him right from the start.
Unfortunately I think it's what it looks like. A talented players who lacks the grit, determination and will to show his best.
You can't teach that either. A human either has it or they don't.
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