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He has zero interest in playing for the club. You can see it in his attitude. He didn't give a shite today.
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He's always been like that, a very strange player in that he's weirdly well-rounded. Has always had the ability to cut in from the left and shoot, play with his back to goal, drop deep and link-up. The one thing he has never been though is a penalty-box predator, which makes me think he would always have been best suited to playing as a Second Striker in a front-two. Alternatively, we could have used him more like an outright False 9 and played Greenwood and Rashford narrower (Like Firmino dropping off, with Salah and Mané in between), although playing a False 9 is not to everybody's tastes.
Generally on the brief occasions he and Lukaku played as a two I think he produced some of his best stuff.He's always been like that, a very strange player in that he's weirdly well-rounded. Has always had the ability to cut in from the left and shoot, play with his back to goal, drop deep and link-up. The one thing he has never been though is a penalty-box predator, which makes me think he would always have been best suited to playing as a Second Striker in a front-two. Alternatively, we could have used him more like an outright False 9 and played Greenwood and Rashford narrower (Like Firmino dropping off, with Salah and Mané in between), although playing a False 9 is not to everybody's tastes.
Yeah, agree on that, I don't see any reason why every team has to play with an out-and-out #9, managers should be of sufficient tactical capability to adapt to the players around themThat's my take, you accept his flaws and work around them particularly when we have players that likes to do the things Martial doesn't do which is essentially to shoot often and run into the box.
I agree with you that that would have been a better approach but there's a part of me that thinks the horse has already bolted and moving on would be best for both parties. Martial has always been very talented but he always seems very difficult to motivate, which explains his inconsistency. You can get a season like '19/'20 where he performs very well throughout the season, especially Post-Lockdown; however, you also then get his performances in '20/'21 which were nigh-on unexplainable.Generally on the brief occasions he and Lukaku played as a two I think he produced some of his best stuff.
For me however at this point you’ve got to think people like Sancho and Donny were brought in with Martial in mind given that he does like to drop off and link play.
Hes not predatory but I think if you had people around him that will link up, pass and move to give him more time to work his way in to the box he’d I’d hope score more goals as he seems to prefer tight little 1-2’s and such and short bursts in and around the box.
The first goal today was I part to him coming inside and being able to take stock of what was happening around him. Not rush or panic and just give things time to evolve before finding the pass he needed to.
I said this last season but I’d quite like to see what Amad, Martial Sancho would produce with Donny and Bruno behind them. All 5 have shown they can score, Donny and Bruno are willing to go beyond the striker Martial, Sancho and Amad have shown they are more about the team than individual glory and can pass the ball in these tight situations. I think it would have been worth experimentation in the carling cup if we still had that option.
What was there to clock? The only memorable thing he did was give the ball away for their third goal.Exactly this, but no one will clock on to this.
Every time Martial started going central we looked better as a team. When he moved back to the left - everything turned back to how it was.
I agree with you that that would have been a better approach but there's a part of me that thinks the horse has already bolted and moving on would be best for both parties. Martial has always been very talented but he always seems very difficult to motivate, which explains his inconsistency. You can get a season like '19/'20 where he performs very well throughout the season, especially Post-Lockdown; however, you also then get his performances in '20/'21 which were nigh-on unexplainable.
I personally think that in an ideal world with a quality manager, he would be very useful as a second choice striker, playing maybe 50% of all minutes. I don't think he'll ever be reliable enough to be a starter week-in, week-out but would always be handy to have a player of his ability on the bench. Contrast this with Solskjaer who speaks of having great depth in his squad but rarely decides to lean heavily on it, instead giving heavy minutes to Ronaldo, Bruno etc. And worse still, when he does use his depth, he usually exposes them in a difficult situation, with little chance to break into the team.
Back to Martial though, he probably needs someone like ten Hag to come in as manager, as only a manager like him would be capable of deploying him effectively. That's not to say he will go back to his '19/'20 form, he still will likely remain almost impossible to consistently motivate, but he should still be able to make a meaningful contribution to the team.
This is a fair point but it's hardly a surprise that the Glazers and Woodward have absolutely zero foresight when it comes to the medium-term to long-term future of the playing squad.My only hang up with moving him on is I’m pretty sure Cavani leaves at the end of the season, and until recently I would have bet my house on us getting Haaland this coming summer. However, with Ronaldo possibly being our only number 9 next season it seems a risk to move him on without a replacement.
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What was there to clock? The only memorable thing he did was give the ball away for their third goal.
Harsh. He played a part in three goal scoring chances for us, one of which resulted in the goal. Yes he disappeared after 20 minutes or so, but he was quite good when he first came on.What was there to clock? The only memorable thing he did was give the ball away for their third goal.
He made a grand total of 8 passes in the game. You know, like a third of what Ronaldo did.Which was on the left side of the wing.
When he was central he was holding the ball up and making passes - you know, like what we had last year in the centre of the pitch with Cavani and Martial even if they are not good goalscorers.
As far as I'm aware, Poch used to be an admirer of his, if Poch does come in, it'll be interesting to see can he get a tune out of him.I think Martial will reap the most benefits of new management in a progressive setup. We have seen glimpses of his linkup with Sancho and DVB this season. I can only wonder what plans Pochettino has for him. He's certainly going to get another chance, it's up to him to grab it and finally push on
Generally on the brief occasions he and Lukaku played as a two I think he produced some of his best stuff.
For me however at this point you’ve got to think people like Sancho and Donny were brought in with Martial in mind given that he does like to drop off and link play.
Hes not predatory but I think if you had people around him that will link up, pass and move to give him more time to work his way in to the box he’d I’d hope score more goals as he seems to prefer tight little 1-2’s and such and short bursts in and around the box.
The first goal today was I part to him coming inside and being able to take stock of what was happening around him. Not rush or panic and just give things time to evolve before finding the pass he needed to.
I said this last season but I’d quite like to see what Amad, Martial Sancho would produce with Donny and Bruno behind them. All 5 have shown they can score, Donny and Bruno are willing to go beyond the striker Martial, Sancho and Amad have shown they are more about the team than individual glory and can pass the ball in these tight situations. I think it would have been worth experimentation in the carling cup if we still had that option.
Exactly that.What was there to clock? The only memorable thing he did was give the ball away for their third goal.
How incredibly dramatic.Exactly that.
Get rid, asap, even if having to pay to do so.
Apparently he was never 'injured'
This. Promote of one of those two and send the other on loan so both get meaningful game time.Dont think he was awful, but he is just a very grey player nowadays. Not exciting when he comes on. Should be sold, and his place should go to the likes of Elanga/Diallo.
Spot on. Ole could see it.Good. He was shit. Solskjaer did the right thing.
How incredibly dramatic.
I think he's much better in the centre generally. He's the only player we have that can hold the ball up properly and I felt he showed that for our goal. If he could get over his shitty form I think he'd be part of our best attack.Just out of interest because you are quite a Martial fan - did you see at all how we played better when he was in the centre of the pitch or do you think we were better when he was on the left?