[Posh Red]

I thought this would have been bumped by someone seeing him against Finland.

How did he get on?

 

[415]

Having a good game vs Portugal, has been on the end of 3 chances. 1st one could of scored if he chiped but good save from Patricio. 2nd header denied by the woodwork. 3rd threw himself and got a touch of the ball great save by Patricio.

 

[El Jefe]

I thought he was poor. You don't get a pat on the back for missing big chances at this level.

Has not been at the races so far this season.

 

[415]

I thought he was poor. You don't get a pat on the back for missing big chances at this level.

Has not been at the races so far this season.

There is a difference between missing and getting your shots saved.

 

[eire-red]

Unlucky not to score against France. My biggest gripe with him is that he spends too much time basically out of play. For example, how often are we under pressure at the back and when its cleared, Martial is nowhere near it?

I mean if we're defending down our own left flank, when the ball is being cleared you'd want Martial hovering on the left, close to the halfway line, where he can contest the clearance or potentially latch onto a long clearance in behind. How often instead do we see him lounging around the centre circle?

It's just mentality for him. He needs to get in the box more and get those headers and scrappy goals. He needs to affect the game more, but out of posession. They're not seismic changes to his game, and that's the frustrating thing.

 

[ValenciasDrilledCrosses]

Movement was actually decent this game, France created a lot more for their strikers than we usually do. But he has to bury one of those chances at least, still feels like he's low on confidence after being so sharp after the restart. Good performance otherwise in terms of hold up play and linkup.

Haaland will miss a shitton of opportunities but still bury at least one a game, that's what it means to be a very good striker.

 

[Raven]

Unlucky not to score against France. My biggest gripe with him is that he spends too much time basically out of play. For example, how often are we under pressure at the back and when its cleared, Martial is nowhere near it?

I mean if we're defending down our own left flank, when the ball is being cleared you'd want Martial hovering on the left, close to the halfway line, where he can contest the clearance or potentially latch onto a long clearance in behind. How often instead do we see him lounging around the centre circle?

It's just mentality for him. He needs to get in the box more and get those headers and scrappy goals. He needs to affect the game more, but out of posession. They're not seismic changes to his game, and that's the frustrating thing.

He's basically our best and only outlet when it comes to holding up the ball and winning fouls. Don't be an arm chair psychologist, it makes you look foolish.

 

[Guv77]

It’s not his mentality why he doesn’t score the scrappy goals.
He isn’t a natural goal scorer.
You can see why Ole was so desperate to get Haaland in January.

 

[Dante]

Martial's problem isn't his lack of consistency. It's also not his lack of clinical finishing in front of goal. On both those fronts, you always know what you're going to get from him, and it's usually at a very high level. There are few players in the PL I'd trust more to finish a chance with a clever finish.

Martial's problem is his lack of instincts for the centre forward position. He simply doesn't know how to play it properly, despite all his technical gifts. It's about his lack of positional intelligence and his inability to evolve the way his teammates are doing alongside him.

For those criticising he consistency and deadliness in front of goal, here are his stats compared with Harry Kane.

Here's Martial:

Season

Team

Tournament

Apps

Mins

#shots

#6 yard box shots

#penalty area shots

#out of box shots

total shot conversion

6 yard box shot conversion

Penalty area shot conversion

Out of box shot conversion

2020/2021

United

EPL

4​

290​

3​

0​

2​

1​

0%​

0%​

0%​

0%​

2020/2021

United

UCL

3​

268​

6​

0​

6​

0​

33%​

0%​

33%​

0%​

2019/2020

United

EPL

32​

2640​

80​

6​

50​

24​

21%​

50%​

26%​

4%​

2019/2020

United

UEL

7​

462​

13​

1​

9​

3​

31%​

0%​

44%​

0%​

2018/2019

United

EPL

27​

1624​

39​

4​

24​

11​

26%​

50%​

29%​

9%​

2018/2019

United

UCL

8​

507​

12​

0​

8​

4​

8%​

0%​

13%​

0%​

2017/2018

United

UCL

8​

343​

11​

2​

7​

2​

9%​

0%​

14%​

0%​

2017/2018

United

EPL

30​

1584​

49​

4​

26​

19​

18%​

0%​

23%​

16%​

2016/2017

United

EPL

25​

1558​

42​

2​

20​

20​

10%​

0%​

20%​

0%​

2016/2017

United

UEL

9​

410​

10​

1​

4​

5​

10%​

0%​

25%​

0%​

2015/2016

United

UEL

3​

270​

4​

0​

4​

0​

25%​

0%​

25%​

0%​

2015/2016

United

UCL

6​

516​

11​

1​

9​

1​

18%​

0%​

22%​

0%​

2015/2016

United

EPL

31​

2632​

57​

3​

42​

12​

19%​

33%​

24%​

0%​

Here's Kane:

Season

Team

Tournament

Apps

Mins

#shots

#6 yard box shots

#penalty area shots

#out of box shots

total shot conversion

6 yard box shot conversion

Penalty area shot conversion

Out of box shot conversion

2020/2021

Tottenham

EPL

8​

714​

38​

8​

17​

13​

18%​

25%​

24%​

8%​

2020/2021

Tottenham

UEL

2​

78​

8​

0​

5​

3​

13%​

0%​

20%​

0%​

2019/2020

Tottenham

EPL

29​

2590​

81​

6​

45​

30​

22%​

50%​

27%​

10%​

2019/2020

Tottenham

UCL

5​

450​

23​

4​

15​

4​

26%​

25%​

33%​

0%​

2018/2019

Tottenham

EPL

28​

2427​

102​

7​

63​

32​

17%​

57%​

17%​

6%​

2018/2019

Tottenham

UCL

9​

778​

32​

3​

21​

8​

16%​

33%​

19%​

0%​

2017/2018

Tottenham

UCL

7​

597​

32​

2​

22​

8​

22%​

0%​

32%​

0%​

2017/2018

Tottenham

EPL

37​

3083​

184​

18​

104​

62​

16%​

44%​

18%​

5%​

2016/2017

Tottenham

UCL

3​

263​

13​

1​

7​

5​

15%​

100%​

14%​

0%​

2016/2017

Tottenham

EPL

30​

2536​

110​

14​

54​

42​

26%​

43%​

33%​

12%​

2016/2017

Tottenham

UEL

2​

180​

7​

0​

4​

3​

0%​

0%​

0%​

0%​

2015/2016

Tottenham

UEL

7​

359​

17​

2​

10​

5​

12%​

50%​

0%​

20%​

2015/2016

Tottenham

EPL

38​

3370​

159​

14​

91​

54​

16%​

14%​

23%​

4%​

2014/2015

Tottenham

UEL

7​

423​

17​

2​

8​

7​

29%​

100%​

13%​

29%​

2014/2015

Tottenham

EPL

34​

2582​

112​

10​

56​

46​

19%​

50%​

25%​

4%​

2013/2014

Tottenham

UEL

5​

122​

4​

2​

1​

1​

0%​

0%​

0%​

0%​

2013/2014

Tottenham

EPL

10​

500​

28​

3​

17​

8​

11%​

33%​

12%​

0%​

2012/2013

Tottenham

EPL

1​

4​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0%​

0%​

0%​

0%​

Martial is as clinical as anyone. The issue is clearly visible in the number of shots columns. The guy has little idea how to get into good positions at the right time. At everything else, he's reasonably capable imo.

Defenders know how to play against him, and that's probably the worst thing he brings to United. As the spearhead to our attack, Martial is one of the main reasons why everyone lines up with a low block against us. If he wants to take the next step, he needs a change in role, a change in playing style or a change in club.

 

[Dante]

For those praising his link up play... it is several levels above Rashford. But it's still pretty poor in the grand scheme of things.

Expect Cavani to show us how it's supposed to be done in the next few months.

 

[BlueHaze]

His game tonight perfectly highlighted why I don't like this guy. 2 great chances both missed. He misses far too many sitters, is inconsistent in his game and can never be relied upon. Will never challenge for anything with him and Rashford being the two main men upfront that we have to rely on. Both of them waste far too many chances.

 

[Red00012]

Having a good game vs Portugal, has been on the end of 3 chances. 1st one could of scored if he chiped but good save from Patricio. 2nd header denied by the woodwork. 3rd threw himself and got a touch of the ball great save by Patricio.

Or to be a critic he could have had a hat trick.

 

[El Jefe]

There is a difference between missing and getting your shots saved.

There really isn't. If you miss one chance then yes, I could even understand two but you don't fail to score from three big chances.

A top striker puts at least one of those away.

He did the same against Sevilla in the EL semi-final. Had three chances and missed them. He's a decent finisher normally but big strikers are judged mainly by what they do in the big moments and other than his first season, Martial has hardly done this.

 

[eire-red]

He's basically our best and only outlet when it comes to holding up the ball and winning fouls. Don't be an arm chair psychologist, it makes you look foolish.

Think of all the quality strikers, they all have hold up play and link up streets ahead of Martial. He may be the best at the club as you say, but that's a bit of a worry for us going forward, not a positive.

What's your opinion on him then? Or you probably don't have one in case you'll look foolish.

 

[Mr PG]

Not good enough for us. Not a natural fighter. Skillset hasn’t developed as hoped.

 

[Glorio]

Did you guys even watch the "chances"? The only one you could lay blame on him for would be the header which hit the cross bar.

 

[MadDogg]

Think of all the quality strikers, they all have hold up play and link up streets ahead of Martial. He may be the best at the club as you say, but that's a bit of a worry for us going forward, not a positive.

Not sure if I'd agree with many having significantly better link-up play than Martial. That's a strength of his. Albeit it's something that he's struggled with during the start of this season where he's been struggling in general.

In terms of hold-up play he's very inconsistent. He'll have some games where he's absolutely terrible in that aspect and can't win a thing (most notably in one of the Chelsea matches last year), but in others he turns around and wins the ball constantly and either holds off the defender and passes it on, turns the defender and runs forward himself, or forces the defender to foul him. That inconsistency, along with the way he can completely drift out of games and struggle to get involved at all, is my biggest issue with him.

 

[elmo]

Martial's problem isn't his lack of consistency. It's also not his lack of clinical finishing in front of goal. On both those fronts, you always know what you're going to get from him, and it's usually at a very high level. There are few players in the PL I'd trust more to finish a chance with a clever finish.

Martial's problem is his lack of instincts for the centre forward position. He simply doesn't know how to play it properly, despite all his technical gifts. It's about his lack of positional intelligence and his inability to evolve the way his teammates are doing alongside him.

For those criticising he consistency and deadliness in front of goal, here are his stats compared with Harry Kane.

Here's Martial:

Season

Team

Tournament

Apps

Mins

#shots

#6 yard box shots

#penalty area shots

#out of box shots

total shot conversion

6 yard box shot conversion

Penalty area shot conversion

Out of box shot conversion

2020/2021

United

EPL

4​

290​

3​

0​

2​

1​

0%​

0%​

0%​

0%​

2020/2021

United

UCL

3​

268​

6​

0​

6​

0​

33%​

0%​

33%​

0%​

2019/2020

United

EPL

32​

2640​

80​

6​

50​

24​

21%​

50%​

26%​

4%​

2019/2020

United

UEL

7​

462​

13​

1​

9​

3​

31%​

0%​

44%​

0%​

2018/2019

United

EPL

27​

1624​

39​

4​

24​

11​

26%​

50%​

29%​

9%​

2018/2019

United

UCL

8​

507​

12​

0​

8​

4​

8%​

0%​

13%​

0%​

2017/2018

United

UCL

8​

343​

11​

2​

7​

2​

9%​

0%​

14%​

0%​

2017/2018

United

EPL

30​

1584​

49​

4​

26​

19​

18%​

0%​

23%​

16%​

2016/2017

United

EPL

25​

1558​

42​

2​

20​

20​

10%​

0%​

20%​

0%​

2016/2017

United

UEL

9​

410​

10​

1​

4​

5​

10%​

0%​

25%​

0%​

2015/2016

United

UEL

3​

270​

4​

0​

4​

0​

25%​

0%​

25%​

0%​

2015/2016

United

UCL

6​

516​

11​

1​

9​

1​

18%​

0%​

22%​

0%​

2015/2016

United

EPL

31​

2632​

57​

3​

42​

12​

19%​

33%​

24%​

0%​

Here's Kane:

Season

Team

Tournament

Apps

Mins

#shots

#6 yard box shots

#penalty area shots

#out of box shots

total shot conversion

6 yard box shot conversion

Penalty area shot conversion

Out of box shot conversion

2020/2021

Tottenham

EPL

8​

714​

38​

8​

17​

13​

18%​

25%​

24%​

8%​

2020/2021

Tottenham

UEL

2​

78​

8​

0​

5​

3​

13%​

0%​

20%​

0%​

2019/2020

Tottenham

EPL

29​

2590​

81​

6​

45​

30​

22%​

50%​

27%​

10%​

2019/2020

Tottenham

UCL

5​

450​

23​

4​

15​

4​

26%​

25%​

33%​

0%​

2018/2019

Tottenham

EPL

28​

2427​

102​

7​

63​

32​

17%​

57%​

17%​

6%​

2018/2019

Tottenham

UCL

9​

778​

32​

3​

21​

8​

16%​

33%​

19%​

0%​

2017/2018

Tottenham

UCL

7​

597​

32​

2​

22​

8​

22%​

0%​

32%​

0%​

2017/2018

Tottenham

EPL

37​

3083​

184​

18​

104​

62​

16%​

44%​

18%​

5%​

2016/2017

Tottenham

UCL

3​

263​

13​

1​

7​

5​

15%​

100%​

14%​

0%​

2016/2017

Tottenham

EPL

30​

2536​

110​

14​

54​

42​

26%​

43%​

33%​

12%​

2016/2017

Tottenham

UEL

2​

180​

7​

0​

4​

3​

0%​

0%​

0%​

0%​

2015/2016

Tottenham

UEL

7​

359​

17​

2​

10​

5​

12%​

50%​

0%​

20%​

2015/2016

Tottenham

EPL

38​

3370​

159​

14​

91​

54​

16%​

14%​

23%​

4%​

2014/2015

Tottenham

UEL

7​

423​

17​

2​

8​

7​

29%​

100%​

13%​

29%​

2014/2015

Tottenham

EPL

34​

2582​

112​

10​

56​

46​

19%​

50%​

25%​

4%​

2013/2014

Tottenham

UEL

5​

122​

4​

2​

1​

1​

0%​

0%​

0%​

0%​

2013/2014

Tottenham

EPL

10​

500​

28​

3​

17​

8​

11%​

33%​

12%​

0%​

2012/2013

Tottenham

EPL

1​

4​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0%​

0%​

0%​

0%​

Martial is as clinical as anyone. The issue is clearly visible in the number of shots columns. The guy has little idea how to get into good positions at the right time. At everything else, he's reasonably capable imo.

Defenders know how to play against him, and that's probably the worst thing he brings to United. As the spearhead to our attack, Martial is one of the main reasons why everyone lines up with a low block against us. If he wants to take the next step, he needs a change in role, a change in playing style or a change in club.

That's why I think we need an upgrade over him if we're serious about challenging for anything.

 

[Okey]

Bless him, but Martial just isn't a natural striker/finisher. Has never been, and just might never be. It's not a credible debate to be had about a player about to turn 25. You won't find a single person arguing about the merits of Haaland or Greenwood as finishers. And they're kids! In my ideal world, PSG sell Mbappe and decide Martial should replace him, and we can get Haaland. Him and Greenwood and we'll be the most fearsome force upfront!

 

[415]

He’s still a better left winger than Rashford so I don’t really know what some people on this forum is on. He will be staying here for a long time even if it’s not as a striker.

 

[Sayros]

Bless him, but Martial just isn't a natural striker/finisher. Has never been, and just might never be. It's not a credible debate to be had about a player about to turn 25. You won't find a single person arguing about the merits of Haaland or Greenwood as finishers. And they're kids! In my ideal world, PSG sell Mbappe and decide Martial should replace him, and we can get Haaland. Him and Greenwood and we'll be the most fearsome force upfront!

The funny thing is no one was questioning Martial as a finisher at 19 years old after his first season at the club, which is as silly as praising Greenwood and Haaland as certain commodities when it comes to finishing, they've shown they are right now, but the sample size is still very small. The two you mentioned seem good right now, but let's see how they develop as well in the more difficult moments.

Haaland is very much dependent on good service, and he's not going to create a whole lot of goals without a good midfield/wingers to create chances for him (like almost any forwards), which isn't United right now, not consistently enough at least. Greenwood has shown less than Haaland so far but seems equally talented, but there's still so many ways it could go wrong for either of them. Greenwood right now is struggling with making that second step on the way to becoming a star, at least he's not hitting the ground running like we thought it'd be fair to expect of him so far, not many are to be fair in this weird season.

I also think using Martial's age as a negative when he's not even 25 yet, is in his second season playing a position he hasn't played since youth teams, and coming off being player of the season, it makes me pretty much dismiss whatever definitive arguments made over again who will inevitably go quiet when Tony starts scoring again.

That being said, I do think if there's any chance in hell to get a guy like Haaland, then it would be stupid not to go for him, but not quite as stupid as dismissing Martial to go for him when he would be a huge asset to get the best out of Erling.

 

[lenny_1248]

He misses far too many sitters

they all have hold up play and link up streets ahead of Martial

What a fecking nonsense.

 

[bdecuc]

Played well last night. Thought his general play was very good. He looked sharp. Was unlucky with good saves from the keeper.

 

[tenpoless]

Now that we have Cavani as well, we will see if he has what Martial does not and if it matters at all. Fair comparison.

 

[ghaliboy]

For those praising his link up play... it is several levels above Rashford. But it's still pretty poor in the grand scheme of things.

I think his hold up play is better than Rashford's, by maybe a level. Not several levels - but both of their link up play is still at an "it's okay I guess, I mean, it is what it is, so go out there and give it your best shot and we'll make do" level. Imo Rashford has more upside on the link up play level in terms of intricacy. Martial has the edge holding up the ball but I don't really think "hold up play" is what Ole want's in this system. The problem is they are both paid an astronomical amount to their pedigree and squad stature, it really makes it hard to micromanage their ins and outs at a squad level.

 

[Raven]

Think of all the quality strikers, they all have hold up play and link up streets ahead of Martial. He may be the best at the club as you say, but that's a bit of a worry for us going forward, not a positive.

What's your opinion on him then? Or you probably don't have one in case you'll look foolish.

My opinion is very simple. He's our best player, a small period of poor form isn't going change that.

Wait until he's back to top form and you'll realise how much shite your talking regarding his hold up and link up play.

 

[Raven]

For those praising his link up play... it is several levels above Rashford. But it's still pretty poor in the grand scheme of things.

Expect Cavani to show us how it's supposed to be done in the next few months.

Cavani's hold up play is not at the same level as Martial... at all.

 

[Raven]

There really isn't. If you miss one chance then yes, I could even understand two but you don't fail to score from three big chances.

A top striker puts at least one of those away.

He did the same against Sevilla in the EL semi-final. Had three chances and missed them. He's a decent finisher normally but big strikers are judged mainly by what they do in the big moments and other than his first season, Martial has hardly done this.

Didn't bother watching the game but how many chances did Ronaldo get? Ya know, since if you miss 3 you're automatically shit.

 

[cyberman]

His movement was top class last night, Portugals defenders couldnt live with him. He was unlucky in the sense that the keeper was right out on him for 2 of his chances. Nrtmally you just try and get your foot to the ball first but Patricio played a blinder.

 

[Raven]

I think his hold up play is better than Rashford's, by maybe a level. Not several levels - but both of their link up play is still at an "it's okay I guess, I mean, it is what it is, so go out there and give it your best shot and we'll make do" level. Imo Rashford has more upside on the link up play level in terms of intricacy. Martial has the edge holding up the ball but I don't really think "hold up play" is what Ole want's in this system. The problem is they are both paid an astronomical amount to their pedigree and squad stature, it really makes it hard to micromanage their ins and outs at a squad level.

Rashford's not even close to Martial in terms of hold up and link up play. I can't even tell if you're taking the piss or not.

 

[Ash_G]

My opinion is very simple. He's our best player, a small period of poor form isn't going change that.

Wait until he's back to top form and you'll realise how much shite your talking regarding his hold up and link up play.

Whilst I don't think that Martial is quite our best player I agree with the sentiment that he's getting a bit harshly treated at the moment. Yes he's not in good form but he still does a lot of the fundamentals well including his hold up play which lets us progress forward and is important and something we need. In general I don't really think there's loads of chances Martial is missing or instances where he's not been in the right place to get on the end of things.

In some ways whilst Rashford has clearly been more individually impactful this season I would still say that he doesn't consistently make the right decisions in attack and that impacts the team for example I don't think Martial hasn't actually had much service out of Rashford thus far.

Whereas I think Martial in general is sensible in his play, if he played as head down as Rashford has played we'd definitely be suffering even more as a team.

 

[acnumber9]

Didn't bother watching the game but how many chances did Ronaldo get? Ya know, since if you miss 3 you're automatically shit.

When Martial has won 7 league titles, 5 Champions Leagues and has over 700 career goals he can be cut the same slack you would for Cristiano Ronaldo.

 

[acnumber9]

I don't think Martial hasn't actually had much service out of Rashford thus far.

What service has anybody had out of Martial? He’s the one with the great link up play.

 

[Hammondo]

Not sure if I'd agree with many having significantly better link-up play than Martial. That's a strength of his. Albeit it's something that he's struggled with during the start of this season where he's been struggling in general.

In terms of hold-up play he's very inconsistent. He'll have some games where he's absolutely terrible in that aspect and can't win a thing (most notably in one of the Chelsea matches last year), but in others he turns around and wins the ball constantly and either holds off the defender and passes it on, turns the defender and runs forward himself, or forces the defender to foul him. That inconsistency, along with the way he can completely drift out of games and struggle to get involved at all, is my biggest issue with him.

His link up play is one of his worst weaknesses.

He's mainly a runner.

 

[Raven]

Whilst I don't think that Martial is quite our best player I agree with the sentiment that he's getting a bit harshly treated at the moment. Yes he's not in good form but he still does a lot of the fundamentals well including his hold up play which lets us progress forward and is important and something we need. In general I don't really think there's loads of chances Martial is missing or instances where he's not been in the right place to get on the end of things.

In some ways whilst Rashford has clearly been more individually impactful this season I would still say that he doesn't consistently make the right decisions in attack and that impacts the team for example I don't think Martial hasn't actually had much service out of Rashford thus far.

Whereas I think Martial in general is sensible in his play, if he played as head down as Rashford has played we'd definitely be suffering even more as a team.

When Martial's playing up top, we play a lot more football in the opponents half. When there's no Martial, we camp in our own half because nobody else is capable of holding up the ball. I love Rashford and Greenwood but to suggest their hold up play is anywhere near the same level (I know you havent) is absolutely mental and really points towards a lack of football knowledge.

 

[Raven]

When Martial has won 7 league titles, 5 Champions Leagues and has over 700 career goals he can be cut the same slack you would for Cristiano Ronaldo.

My point is that Martial was our player of the season 3 months ago. Missing 3 chances last night doesn't make him not good enough, just as Ronaldo will remain the GOAT in my eyes, regardless of whether he misses 3 chances in a single match.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

If you actually watch our games and watch how he plays he does have good movement in the box and always finds space. Just so happens that instead of just bombing in the box once he feeds the ball outwide he slowly jogs in on purpose as he does tend to position himself a lot for a cutback. We just don’t ever seem to find him. Berbatov would do exactly the same thing.

Personally I would love to see him mix it up a lot more make front post runs, make back post runs just try and get infront of people instead of waiting for the cutback but it’s just how he plays.

He is the link man in that front 4, the one that needs to drop in to midfield to cover Bruno’s position. Given how few games he’s played this season I imagine he’ll only get better but it’s been so stop start already pretty hard to get yourself in to any sort of form.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

“Hold up play” involves more than being able to get the ball under control under pressure. Martial’s biggest weakness (IMO) is his short passing game. He regularly gets the most basic 5-10 yard pass completely wrong. And he was doing this last night.

It was a decent performance overall. I liked the effort to get on the end of the cross with his third big chance of the first half. Would have been a proper poacher’s goal. Something him and Rashford don’t do enough.

 

[acnumber9]

My point is that Martial was our player of the season 3 months ago. Missing 3 chances last night doesn't make him not good enough, just as Ronaldo will remain the GOAT in my eyes, regardless of whether he misses 3 chances in a single match.

Player of the season is a very subjective decision and counts for very little. Three of our previous 4 winners were Smalling, Valencia and Shaw. Valencia won it twice in his time. Didn’t stop people whining he wasn’t good enough consistently. Yourself included no doubt.

Martial has talent but he’s not that different a player to what he was when he first signed for us over five years ago. He’ll need to improve to lead the line for a title winning team.

 

[Ash_G]

What service has anybody had out of Martial? He’s the one with the great link up play.

Link up play doesn't have to be the final pass it can just be about progressing the ball which I think Martial has still reasonably well at. Am not saying he's playing how we'd want him to be or that in general he doesn't need to continue to push on but I think he's still been helpful to our overall play. Further as I said I don't think it's like he's constantly missing chances or in the wrong position which I'd be more worried about.