And funnily enough they come from the same academy, Lyon.
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And funnily enough they come from the same academy, Lyon.
Yeah, I guess Ziyech could be that Bernado Silva kind of player for us, with us having the option to put him as a 10, if and when needed.
I hope he's on a run now of scoring. See if he can catch Rashford up.
I like that he’s putting himself about more, putting defenders under pressure.
He can be infuriating, but he really is a very good player, with the potential to be an excellent one. His number so far are very impressive when you consider how long he was out with injury.
Martial really has great close control and abilty to finish. He is infuriating because sometimes he does nothing, contributes nothing. It could be down to attitude. Well good thing we have Greenwood pushing him now.
Considering how the Haaland deal went, we are screwed if this guy gets injured. Zero backups.
Martial is probably one of our three best outfield players though so it seems so unreasonable to consider upgrading him at the moment and most likely for a good while, to the point where even if we did look to bring in another forward it should be with the intention of tweaking the system to accommodate said forward alongside Martial.
I was desperately hoping we'd bring in someone like Mandzukic and it's a shame that didn't come off. We need some experience, a player who is ok playing bit part but still has a great attitude and can play with his back to goal when Martial is out.
Who else is out there who can do that job?
Glad the whole ‘he’s lazy/does nothing’ trait is washed from him now. Seems to have matured with his false 9 playmaking responsibilities. Nice to also see he’s driven in the goalscoring competition between him Marcus and Greenwood.
It was a bumpy road watching him mature but glad we stuck through. He is by far the most talented player at Manchester United
It was a bumpy road watching him mature but glad we stuck through. He is by far the most talented player at Manchester United
Now if I was Ole considering Haaland didn't come- I'd keep the style of the formation & bring Sancho to play as a False 9.
Martial competes with Rashford when needs to & Sancho can aswell. Get a left footed right winger now who can score goals to compete with Greenwood.
Martial competes with Rashford when needs to & Sancho can aswell. Get a left footed right winger now who can score goals to compete with Greenwood.
Dzyuba or Cavani, both out of contract in the summer. Mitrovic is young but usually good, very strong. Mertens is out of contract in the summer too and offers good quality, experience and something different.
I don’t think it’s the right way to go though, generally. Concentrate on actually upgrading areas of the starting eleven. Also, Mandzukic is pretty rubbish and wouldn’t have been a good option at all.
Sancho as a false nine, Martial competing for left wing. Oh dear....
God no. Hasn't Lingard scored double the league goals in the same time frame since Giroud joined Chelski?Giroud.
It's amazing isn't it. Simply playing Sancho on the right, one of the positions he is familiar with seems not enough eccentric.
No. Martial competing as a false 9 as well. But martial plays as a left forward. I've been one of the loudest supporters for Martial to play false 9 on the forum & I want that to continue but Sancho can compete for him there or play on the left.
When Rashford & Greenwood play as as LF & RF - they play as forwards & not as wingers.
Next time watch how Rashford plays when Greenwood is on the right vs James - how close he can be to the box vs to the touchline.
They spend less time touching the touchline and much more centrally and as forwards.
Giroud has barely played for Chelsea in the league and I was joking.
Him and Rashford are a great pairing, you can tell they are pushing each other as well. It is only good for bother their developments.
Or Sancho plays on the right which is where he mainly plays for Dortmund and we leave the rest alone?
Ahh OK. Takes a bit of getting used to a sense of humour round here
apologiesSancho is going to struggle on the right compared to the left like he does for England.
He is better on the left.
If we offer him the right then he goes to Chelsea where he takes of odoi's position in my opinion.
That's literally where he has shined for Dortmund.
He has also shined as a LW for them. He becomes a inverted forward on the left and on the right he needs a bit more space that isn't always something he can manipulate by himself to the same level on the left.
This season he has been great on the left wing.
That's not the point, I'm not arguing that he can play on the left and be very good. But for you to try to make the argument that a player that has been great on the right would struggle in that position is extremely weird, particularly when it's where he has mainly played in the last two years.
Well I get that, but the reason I say it is because is we have to compete with Chelsea in my opinion & we have to find a way to make him feel like the main man.
He has to compete with too many players here & in my opinion if he made to play RW here - that does absolutely nothing for us the same way Daniel James can cross and shoot from the right wing for Martial centrally as a false 9 but it doesn't fit as well as Greenwood being a striker with a left foot does.
Sancho on the left with a right foot does make sense but then he has to compete with Rashford here whilst at Chelsea he competes against Odoi.
I don't think Sancho & Martial will work together personally with Sancho on the right.
Chelsea however play a more traditional forward in abaraham so it makes sense if Sancho moves there to play RW, the same way Willian & Pedro do aswell.
I completely disagree but that's for an other thread and an other day.
I remember seeing you post a video on another thread regarding Sancho and how on the right he uses his speed more. I really don’t agree with that. I mean the video you posted does give that impression but anyone who watches knows he does the same stuff from the right hand side as he does left.
Personally I feel his skill, passing and movement is exactly what would get the best out of Martial. Someone on his same wave length that has the ability at times to just stop everything pick a pass, work a bit of space, or just beat a man or just move so they can link up with each other. I think he is a better fit for Martial than say Rashford is on the other side. I mean I was camp Ousmane Dembele and I still wouldn’t turn my nose up at him if he could stay fit but I think either would work well with what Martial brings to this team.
Anyway not really the thread for this but I feel like his skill set would work well with what Martial brings
I would like to see united build around martial,rashford and pogba e.g
Rashford martial zaniolo
Pogba saul
Fred
Williams bissaka
Maguire lindelof
Rashford martial zaniolo
Pogba saul
Fred
Williams bissaka
Maguire lindelof
I get that I might be wrong - it's literally just him being right footed I feel that he gets pushed out wider than he needs to be sometimes & that's going to happen in the PL. I see it happen in the international games alot too. It happens with Daniel James. In comparison with Greenwood who even though is slower - takes one slight cut or faint and has an easy shot on goal.
Anyway Sancho is regarded as a potential wonder kid so I'm okay with me being wrong - I just don't think for us as United to offer him the RW as the way to entice him the right thing to do as it might not necessarily understand the player - because I can't remember where I heard it before but I heard that his favourite position was the left wing over the right as well.
Martial has been very good of late its time united build around its three best players i.e martial pogba rashford e.g
Rashford martial zaniolo
Pogba saul
Fred
I think martial would do better playing in a side with more technical players he could link up with,i see rashford as this teams poacher even though he plays from the flank,the other winger being a player comfortable dropping deep to to receive balls from midfield means rashford stays higher and pogba having another top class midfielder alongside him would only help him probably buy someone like kalvin phillip to give depth to the squad and we would b good
Rashford martial zaniolo
Pogba saul
Fred
I think martial would do better playing in a side with more technical players he could link up with,i see rashford as this teams poacher even though he plays from the flank,the other winger being a player comfortable dropping deep to to receive balls from midfield means rashford stays higher and pogba having another top class midfielder alongside him would only help him probably buy someone like kalvin phillip to give depth to the squad and we would b good
You want to stay away from Cavani, who in the past few months has:
1) Injured himself kicking the ball out of frustration.
2) Injured himself taking a penalty.
He also has an agreement with Atletico, I believe, but I don't think he's got much left in the tank at this point.
Either way, it's a shame about Haaland, because I think he would have opened more space for Martial to play into dangerous positions, and I think they could have maybe worked well together, depending on how Haaland adjusts and deals with quick passing, because I haven't seen enough of him to know that part of his game. I do think Martial would work better with a bigger target man than as the main man up front, because the rest of the forward line is not up to snuff to bring out his best qualities, really only Pogba can consistently get him in better positions. Sancho would be a huge recruit to help with that from the right wing.
I was disappointed when he did not score in the second half. So is my faith in him in that kind of situation. I really thought it was our second goal. Maybe he felt the angle was not right and he squared to Lingard of all people and I was not surprised to see him mess it up.
You want to stay away from Cavani, who in the past few months has:
1) Injured himself kicking the ball out of frustration.
2) Injured himself taking a penalty.
He also has an agreement with Atletico, I believe, but I don't think he's got much left in the tank at this point.
Either way, it's a shame about Haaland, because I think he would have opened more space for Martial to play into dangerous positions, and I think they could have maybe worked well together, depending on how Haaland adjusts and deals with quick passing, because I haven't seen enough of him to know that part of his game. I do think Martial would work better with a bigger target man than as the main man up front, because the rest of the forward line is not up to snuff to bring out his best qualities, really only Pogba can consistently get him in better positions. Sancho would be a huge recruit to help with that from the right wing.
I would stay away from all of them really - was just listing a few options. As I did mention, we should focus on bringing in improvements to the starting eleven.
It is a shame about Haaland in the sense that he would be a great compliment to Martial. The question mark for me, with regards to whether or not Martial would be more suitable playing off of another striker as opposed to starting in the highest position and working/ moving from there, is how well he would cope with the potential increase in defensive workload. Martial works well and presses intelligently from a central striker’s position but might struggle with the running involved were he to occupy a deeper role and the more intensive defensive responsibilities that could come with it. Especially in our current setup, for example, you couldn’t just deploy Martial in the no.10 role Lingard and Pereira have been occupying because they are required to get through a lot of work that I don’t believe Martial is suitable for. Specifically, in order for the rest of the side to accommodate Rashford being kept ‘free’ of defensive responsibility, the player stationed in the no.10 role has to perform a tremendous amount of recovery runs to maintain the team’s shape defensively. Martial wouldn’t do this proficiently, and the running involved in attempting it would also most probably affect his ability to find the right spaces and his quality on the ball when we as a team gain possession. The role would have to be modified to accommodate, with Rashford relinquishing the freedom afforded to him and accepting the traditional responsibilities associated with that position. An argument could be made that the role which has been constructed for Rashford this season is actually perfect for Martial - left-sided starting position, coming inside into pockets of space between the opposition midfield and defence, free from the usual task of tracking the opposing full back defensively and generally allowed to ‘cheat’ when the team is in a set defensive shape as an outlet for transitions.
I like Martial in the position he is occupying this season, and feel that Rashford and James are both players who offer very compatible qualities. I do, however, have a massive issue with how Rashford is interpreting his role - and I’m not blaming Rashford as it is very clearly a team tactic. As with virtually any talented attacking player, Rashford will obviously benefit from the freedom afforded to him defensively but the other aspects of his specific role do not help him. Coming inside off the ball - offering himself as an option with his back to goal looking to take the ball into feet, while moving towards the ball, being static or moving laterally are all things Rashford should be doing very little of. I often feel like Martial and him are working at cross-purposes, with both too often looking to come in and take the ball to feet at the same time - both expecting the other to provide the penetrative run. Our left back constantly gets the ball out of his feet only to be met with no forward passing option. It’s blatantly obvious which one of Martial and Rashford should be coming towards the play, looking to take the ball into feet and which one should be threatening the space in behind defenders, stretching the play and offering penetration. It frustrates the hell out of me and regardless of who we can bring in I want to see this issue resolved, as they are two of our strongest players and are our two established attackers, who could potentially work much more harmoniously together.
I think it was fatigue. Tiring legs, tiring mind. Led to a poor choice. Rashford looked very leggy for his goal too. I hope there’s no lethargy in their play against Arsenal.
It didn't pan out, but I actually don't think it was as dumb as it looked. It looked like a great chance, but the keeper is good in those situations and if he closed the angle for Martials left foot, then why shoot or try a speculative chip? You're still in a great attacking position even if you don't shoot, so just be calm in those situations sometimes and give the ball to a team mate for an easy tap in. I see City score a lot of goals like that and would like for us to do the same. So I appreciated the decision-making even if it didn't work this time. Also, to be fair to Martial, Lingard had the chance to put it in goal on his first touch.
Martial the real reason why Haaland signed for Dortmund, where he is more likely to become first choice.
Don't exclude Greenwood.
I don't think it's all that bad - all we need is a more all out goal scorer on the right hand side & we are back to being lethal again.
Rashford - Martial - Greenwood
James - Greenwood - New RW
From everything I hear he's loose in possession so really nothing like Silva and a genuine playmaker. More of a high pressing high intensity attacker - like Di Maria?
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