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2019-20 Performances


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6.2 Season Average Rating
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48
Goals
23
Assists
8
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Good list.

Wonder how high Martial is in that list, in terms of ability, any thoughts?

I didn't watch others much but I wouldn't swap Martial for any of the mentioned in the list. Probably Chelsea fans wouldn't swap Tammy for Martial.

For the way we play (or even if any progressive manager takes over) Martial is very important. His link up play, playmaking skills are very good.
 
I don't even think he will stop coming to midfield to collect the ball if we get a proper AM. He is someone that likes the ball on his feet. Waiting for the ball to come to his feet isn't his style. How many goals has he scored from crosses Or a through ball he runs after. That said he still scores goals in his own way and is the most important player in our attack after Pogba as evident when he got injured. I would even go as far as to say he is one of our best passers.

I'd like to see more of Rashford and Greenwood playing as inverted wingers with Martial at the center because that's what suits him more.
 
Ole has to get some of the plaudits for his performances, he's such a different player from the sulky player he was under Mourinho

Having a manager who actually believes in you makes a world of difference for most tbf. He's looked like he's trying his best to reward Ole's faith in him to be the no.9 he was brought in to be. He always speaks about the manager in glowing terms and vice versa, been refreshing to see some of our most talented players on the same wave length as the manager for a change lately
 
Last season
Mane - Goals + assists in 17 games out of 38
Salah - 22 games out of 38
Kane - 16/28 games
Aguero - 20/33 games
Lewandowski - 19/33 games

Ronaldo in 2007-08 - 22/34 games

23 games is just superb record for any player not named Ronaldo (at his peak) and Messi.
I think our overall league standing hurts the perception of our attackers, a lot. Rashford has 20 direct goal contributions (15G, 5A) in 25 games, that’s 0.8 goal/assist per game. Martial has 12 in 18, 2 in 3 is also top tier, Greenwood as a teenager is heading for double digits in his first full season at senior level.

Put them in teams who are doing well with the same numbers and the muppets would go crazy. Classic case of grass being greener on the other side.
 
Ole has to get some of the plaudits for his performances, he's such a different player from the sulky player he was under Mourinho
To be fair, Solskjaer deserves credit for a fair few players being a lot better individually this season.
 

Tracking back with intent and winning the ball but we're supposed to believe he's "lazy" and doesn't work hard.
 
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I think our overall league standing hurts the perception of our attackers, a lot. Rashford has 20 direct goal contributions (15G, 5A) in 25 games, that’s 0.8 goal/assist per game. Martial has 12 in 18, 2 in 3 is also top tier, Greenwood as a teenager is heading for double digits in his first full season at senior level.

Put them in teams who are doing well with the same numbers and the muppets would go crazy. Classic case of grass being greener on the other side.

Yeah, usually other top teams score goals from different sources, for example Liverpool scored few from set pieces when their attackers didn't score. We are missing that threat. We need more goal scorers. As individual players, Martial and Rashford have done really well, Greenwood has been superb considering his age and expectations. James has done well too.
 
To be fair, Solskjaer deserves credit for a fair few players being a lot better individually this season.

Yeah, few players have really improved with more responsibilities.
 
Great game from him, would have given him a 10 rating if that shot that hit the post had went in. Would have been a fabulous hat-trick. :drool:
 
I see what he brings, but I also see he is rarely in the box when we need him to be. For a striker to have such poor presence in the penalty area is criminal and it's frustrating because he is probably our best finisher.

Today he was good and he showed that he can find space with the first goal and I liked his intensity with the second goal but god I wish he would show it more instead of just when he's up for it. Hes 24 now, has played 200 games for the club, and is being given a free run at his favoured position and he is still as streaky as ever, and I don't think he'll ever be that 20-25 goal a season striker we are lacking.
Hard to dispute that but I think that with Rashford and Greenwood either side of him plus a 10-15 goal AM in behind we will have enough goals in the side. Given what this this team needs in midfield, at left back and AM I think it's best to utilize what we have now up front and focus on strengthening parts that make the whole team better as a unit.

If Martial doesn't improve his consistency I think Greenwood will eventually oust him. Right now he is useful as a creative force and having goal scoring forwards flanking him seems to be the way to go.
 

Tracking back with intent and winning the ball but we're supposed to believe he's "lazy" and doesn't work hard.

Gif right there encapsulates why we don't score often. So many of our players play without any idea of what's around them. Pereira ruined the Newcastle defensive shape when he checked onto his left foot. One pass forward and we are looking at a certain goal.
 
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Hard to dispute that but I think that with Rashford and Greenwood either side of him plus a 10-15 goal AM in behind we will have enough goals in the side. Given what this this team needs in midfield, at left back and AM I think it's best to utilize what we have now up front and focus on strengthening parts that make the whole team better as a unit.

If Martial doesn't improve his consistency I think Greenwood will eventually oust him. Right now he is useful as a creative force and having goal scoring forwards flanking him seems to be the way to go.
It's very easy to dispute, the only thing that was streaky regarding Martial was his gametime. Otherwise he has been a consistent creative force and goal scorer whenever he played.
 
Gif right there encapsulates why we don't score often. So many of our players play without any idea of what's around them. Pereira ruined the Newcastle defensive shape when he checked onto his right foot. One pass forward and we are looking at a certain goal.

Spot on.

Main culprits are Lingard, Perreira and Rashford.

We always lacked that final pass for easier chances.

Pep would be fuming and got rid of them.
 
The left back tracked Martial's run, it was spot on from Perreira until he went for glory..the right pass is to Rashford.

Yep. Andreas could have had 2-3 easy assists with simple passes if he had the awareness.
 
Yep. Andreas could have had 2-3 easy assists with simple passes if he had the awareness.

More frustrating if we consider for the fact that it was at 1-1.

Perreira had the balls of steel, but it wasn't meant to be carried by him..
 

Tracking back with intent and winning the ball but we're supposed to believe he's "lazy" and doesn't work hard.

Yeah his first slide tackle in 4 years and suddenly he's a hard worker. Martial may have a lot to his game but hard working isn't one of them at least not on a consistent enough basis to make it count. He's not and never will be that type of player.
 
The left back tracked Martial's run, it was spot on from Perreira until he went for glory..the right pass is to Rashford.
I think if released early enough, Martial is clean through. I don't really have any gripe with the decision Greenwood made, I just think an early release would have got Martial through on goal.
 
Yeah his first slide tackle in 4 years and suddenly he's a hard worker. Martial may have a lot to his game but hard working isn't one of them at least not on a consistent enough basis to make it count. He's not and never will be that type of player.
He's been working much, much harder this season.
 
I think if released early enough, Martial is clean through. I don't really have any gripe with the decision Greenwood made, I just think an early release would have got Martial through on goal.

Maybe he would go clean through, just noticed the defender is on his back.

You're right.
 
And then Perreira does his thing despite having runners and options on both sides of him.
Our league position is not reflective of our true ability as a team. We should be 4th if we had just planned out a better transfer strategy securing a better attacking midfielder. We have suffered at the hands of both lingard and pereira.

In that moment pereira had his head down as a number 10 and shot the ball. any decent player there would have passed it to rashford. Its the little moments like this that have killed us.
 
I think if released early enough, Martial is clean through. I don't really have any gripe with the decision Greenwood made, I just think an early release would have got Martial through on goal.

Not for me. That's a hard ball to make and would require a perfect touch from Martial. Both the CM and CB were anticipating it and only moved his weight back onto his right once the angle had closed.

Unless you mean release Martial as soon as he's back on his feet, with still 30 yards out with a lot to do.
 
I think if released early enough, Martial is clean through. I don't really have any gripe with the decision Greenwood made, I just think an early release would have got Martial through on goal.
His run looked more like a dummy run to open up the space for Pereira.

A superior player would have played either Martial or Rashford through.
 
He would sign another player to teach Rashford the hard lesson. I know he would.
No he wouldn't. He didn't sell sterling or Sane to teach a hard lesson, did he. Sane and sterling in 2016-17 season were wasteful. He groomed them and made them understand the importance of team work. Ole has to do that. If we start selling players like that then we will be left with players who just play safe and are afraid to take risk.
 
Pogba Rashford Martial are still our most important outfield players, with Greenwood and James giving us extra spark too.
 
Excellent game from him yesterday.The effort combined with some excellent play to as the #9. I really like his progress as our main striker this season. He isn't complete yet. Where he really still needs to progress is getting into the areas of a poacher but, if he does continue wanting to be a scorer as he said earlier, then think that will come.

Only other thing is that he does need to have a bit stronger mentality when it comes to off days as a team. When passes don't come his way or don't come off or even if the CBs are getting the better of him, he needs to fight a bit harder, to keep making those runs, that extra bit from the front can inspire those behind him, just as sometimes when you are digging in and CBs make some great clearances or blocks.
 

Tracking back with intent and winning the ball but we're supposed to believe he's "lazy" and doesn't work hard.

This video is also funny seeing how everyone in the box who were expecting a pass from Perreira raging at him for going for goal. :lol:

Though Rashford should use that feeling and remember that's also how others feel when he gets selfish in the box and goes for glory instead.
 
This video is also funny seeing how everyone in the box who were expecting a pass from Perreira raging at him for going for goal. :lol:

Though Rashford should use that feeling and remember that's also how others feel when he gets selfish in the box and goes for glory instead.

Best goal scorer in the team is selfish/goal hungry shocker.
 
Not for me. That's a hard ball to make and would require a perfect touch from Martial. Both the CM and CB were anticipating it and only moved his weight back onto his right once the angle had closed.

Unless you mean release Martial as soon as he's back on his feet, with still 30 yards out with a lot to do.
I would be most worried about the pass, it would have to be a really nice pass, Martial is easily a good enough technician to engineer an opportunity from there. Either way, I'm only splitting hairs, passing to Pereira was also a good option.
 
Best goal scorer in the team is selfish/goal hungry shocker.
I hear you, but what he said was funny and true re Rashford. I want him to score as many as he can but it's also very frustrating when he gets too selfish with a better option available. One of the things Marcus needs to learn as he matures is knowing the right time to go solo or give a lay off to a better placed teammate, that will help him to reach the top level.

I would be most worried about the pass, it would have to be a really nice pass, Martial is easily a good enough technician to engineer an opportunity from there. Either way, I'm only splitting hairs, passing to Pereira was also a good option.
Yeah there was a split second for a great through ball to Martial, and given his quality and the adrenaline he had after that tackle, he would most likely have pulled off something great. The pass to Andreas was good, and he just bottled taking up any of the options ahead of him. I give him slack for this game though, he contributed fairly well to the win.
 
I hear you, but what he said was funny and true re Rashford. I want him to score as many as he can but it's also very frustrating when he gets too selfish with a better option available. One of the things Marcus needs to learn as he matures is knowing the right time to go solo or give a lay off to a better placed teammate, that will help him to reach the top level.

Would have agreed last season when he was going for goal even when there was player in better position to score, not this season. He takes shots from ridiculous distance and angles but not by avoiding passing to player in better position to score.
 

Tracking back with intent and winning the ball but we're supposed to believe he's "lazy" and doesn't work hard.


Martial's been noticeably more energetic for most of this season but it's clearly not a natural part of his game. Not sure why you'd want to misrepresent that. I think he's our 2nd best player and would expect him to succeed at any club but it wouldn't remotely surprise me if this energetic streak is only temporary. It's clearly not unreasonable to say he generally hasn't worked with that intensity for his entire career here.
 
Newcastle was a perfect example of Martial's finishing workshop and various talents in the box.

First goal is a precise shot with reasonable power and rotation that keeper can't control depsite the contact with ball. 2nd one is pretty much Thierry Henry's elegance, subtle chip, cold as ice, beautiful to watch.

When it's his day, he's unstoppable, but when it's not we'll need someone just in case.
 
Against Watford he had the joint highest rating according to whoscored but it still wasnt enough for most on here. He has been very consistent this season regardless of what we all think. Right now he has an average rating of 7.26 while Rashford has an average rating of 7.29. Rashford has been great this season while Martial needs to be replaced asap is the general feeling I get when reading through multiple comments the past few months. This has also been without our best player in Pogba who was also our highest goalscorer and creator last season. It tells us that the best is yet to come from both Martial and Rashford.
 
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